what statewide index are you referring too? thanks -Original Message- From: Michelle Stone [mailto:[email protected]] Sunday, March 14 2004 7:16 AM To: [email protected] re: Lookup please: NY Marriage index 1883 Hi, Listers, If anyone will be able to check a lookup for a 1883 marriage in the statewide index for me, I certainly would appreciate it. I am trying to verify the fact that the marriage took place and where it happened. I know the names of the bride, groom, and their parents, and have already taken the chance on paying the fee for a Syracuse marriage certificate search--but they must've gone out of town to have the marriage. They are not direct ancestors and I don't really need a certificate, just confirmation of the event and where. Michelle Stone Marietta, Georgia (USA)

Gretchen ~ There is no Dorethea or Dorothea Group listed in the Lesley E Voorhees Records for Riverview Cemetery because those records are complete only to 1900. Have you contacted the Riverview Cemetery yet? Cemetery Associations usually have records which include the name of the undertaker. The mortuary's records may include either a copy of the death certificate or something similar that has information on the place and date of death. Since you have the name of the officiant at the funeral and his church, you can write to the First Baptist Church for their records as well. Did "Dorethea" Group actually DIE on March 1, 1906 or was that the date of her burial or the date of her obituary? Hope this helps. Diane Wilson Flynn

I have had this happen to me once also. I am working on a local history project in which at least 50 men died in 1918 and although I have the official death certificates of 48 of them, thee are two in which neither the state, nor the town of Onondaga (where they died), have any record of them. I, too, know where they are buried and have photographs of the gravestones. Most importantly though, I have an unofficial death certificate which I was able to retrieve from the Medical Examiner's office in Syracuse. The 50 died as a result of the same accident and as such were all contained together in a large file in the ME's office. So, you might give the ME's office a try on the off chance that they may have something. You might also try to see if the cemetery records are extant to see if they have either a copy of the death certificate or burial records which often contain a good deal of information. And also try the Church to see if they have any records. If the church is defunct, see what the town historian may have to say about where the records may be. Good luck. Deb Zimmerman

Hi List, Just wondering if anyone has any ideas where I might find a death certificate. It is for Dorethea Group who died March 1, 1906 in Van Buren/ Stiles, NY. She was buried in Riverview Cemetary, Baldwinsville. The Funeral service was conducted by Rev. George Lyman Ford of the First Baptist Church. I've tried Syracuse and NYS and neither have a record of her death. Is there somewhere else it may have been recorded and for some reason not reported to NYS? Thanks for any ideas, Gretchen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi, Listers, If anyone will be able to check a lookup for a 1883 marriage in the statewide index for me, I certainly would appreciate it. I am trying to verify the fact that the marriage took place and where it happened. I know the names of the bride, groom, and their parents, and have already taken the chance on paying the fee for a Syracuse marriage certificate search--but they must've gone out of town to have the marriage. They are not direct ancestors and I don't really need a certificate, just confirmation of the event and where. Groom: Carl/Karl/Charles GILCHER, born 24 May 1862, son of Abraham Gilcher and Louise/Luisa Haessel/Hasel, all born in Germany; he was a recent immigrant to Syracuse at the time Bride: Philippina/Phoebe LUDWIG, born 21 November 1863 in Syracuse or in Pennsylvania, daughter of Jakob and Caroline Ludwig, German immigrants living in Syracuse Date of Marriage: 22 May 1883 Many thanks for any help on this! Michelle Stone Marietta, Georgia (USA)

Hello, I found an online source for St Mary's Cemetery that said there is a Mathew QUINN, dod 1921, in Sec 3, Row 6. Is this enough information to request assistance or do I need more? Thank you, Kathy

Diane Syracuse University like many Colleges has their own Archives Department and you can contact them. Much of this material is kept off premises and they would need a few days to obtain the material but here is where you contact them. Regards Pat R Contact The Syracuse University Archives and Records Management staff entertains inquiries regarding the department's collections, information related to Syracuse University, and questions or suggestions about the Archives and Records Management Web Page. Priority must be given to the University's students, faculty, staff and alumni, but questions from general public are always welcome and will be processed as efficiently as possible. In FY 2001/2, staff of the Archives and Records Management department handled over 1900 inquiries from both University and general public! The University Archives is open M-F 9-5, and can be reached by : Mail: 6th Floor, E. S. Bird Library Syracuse University Syracuse, NY 13244-2010 Phone: 315 / 443-3335 Fax: 315 / 443-4053 E-mail: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>

I am seeking information on a Mary E. LAWRENCE who graduated from Syracuse University with a degree in music in 1907. She also taught at Syracuse Univeristy for a period of 2 years after graduating and moving westward. Would there be any pictures of the graduates of the class of 1907 and also of the staff for 1908 & 1909? Any leads on this would be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Dianne

Dear list, How does one go about looking up some names in Gary Jones' Woodlawn Cemetery list? Would a request mailed to OCPL with a SASE do the trick, or do I need to enlist the help of some kind person? Thanks for any help, Howard in Colorado

Hello. I am hoping some kind person can do an obit lookup for me the next time they are in the Syracuse library. I am looking for details about Clara Bradley, died December 1983 in Syracuse. Please correspond privately if you can help me. Thank you. Karen Bradley [email protected] Gainesville, FL

Bill, I have done a similar thing for the Olmsted family farms in Hope, Montgomery Co. (1825 Census) and in Borodino, Onondaga Co. (1855, '65 and '75). You can see the results in the Onondaga County Genweb site, at http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enyononda/CENSUS/farmcensus.html I rented the films of the various Census from the FHC. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] NYS Agricultural Census Information > Hello Folks: I have been involved with a project to inventory and examine > barns in the Towns of Fabius, Pompey, Tully and Lafayette, Onondaga County NY. > One of the tools my partners (Randy Nash and J. Roy Dodge) and I have been > using is the NYS Census. The 1855 and 1875 census provide a beautiful breakdown > of the individual farms and by using the 1852 and 1874 maps we can locate the > farms. > > We have been told that NYS census information was taken for prior to these > above years. We have located agricultural town information for 1845. Has > anyone used agricultural census information for years before 1845 and if so where > might I find it? > > Our project will have its own webpage in the near future and I will share it > with the group. > > Thanks > > Bill Casey > PO Box 36 > Apulia Station, NY 13020 > [email protected] > 315 683-5674 > http://www.fabiusny.org > http://www.organicmilk.org >

Hello Folks: I have been involved with a project to inventory and examine barns in the Towns of Fabius, Pompey, Tully and Lafayette, Onondaga County NY. One of the tools my partners (Randy Nash and J. Roy Dodge) and I have been using is the NYS Census. The 1855 and 1875 census provide a beautiful breakdown of the individual farms and by using the 1852 and 1874 maps we can locate the farms. We have been told that NYS census information was taken for prior to these above years. We have located agricultural town information for 1845. Has anyone used agricultural census information for years before 1845 and if so where might I find it? Our project will have its own webpage in the near future and I will share it with the group. Thanks Bill Casey PO Box 36 Apulia Station, NY 13020 [email protected] 315 683-5674 http://www.fabiusny.org http://www.organicmilk.org

Could someone do a look up on NY Vitals for a Fred French b 1869 d 1956? I need a month and place of death. I know he went to Syracuse after 1923 when his wife died. Any help would be appreciated as I am at a brick wall with him. (This is all I have on him besides children.) Sandy

Hello I Looking for information on the Cahill's that had the Cahill Bakery on the south side on South Saline Street They were my great grandparents and there names were John H Cahill and Catherine Kavanugh Cahill and they had only one son his name was John Dunfee Cahill he married Florence Gertrude Hirsh in Feb 1913 and they had Arline, John E, Edward P John H who is my father, William R, Catherine V. I would like to know if there are any pictures of the bakery also I don't live in the area I'm in Northern California Please Help thanks for everything Shawn T Cahill

I am searching for information on the WEBB family of Onondaga. There appear to be a number of families of this name in early (1800-1840) Onondaga County. One is Benjamin Webb b. abt. 1756, who married Ann Hannah De Angelis. A second family, in which I have a great deal of interest, is the James Webb family. One apparent daughter to this individual (who was Clerk, and possibly a Judge) is Helen Webb, who married Horace Wheaton. Any information on ancestry of this family is appreciated. One other family group, possibly related to James Webb above, is a Jabez Webb, who was "killed by the falling of a tree" in 1806/7. I believe this individual to be a son of Jabez and Elisabeth (Smith) Webb of Ashford, Ct. Jabez of Ashford was a son of John and Ann (Devotion) of Windham, Ct. One theory is that the James Webb family may have been an uncle or brother to Jabez of Onondaga. A second theory is that the James Webb family is of Saybrook/Chester, Ct, or of Long Island. The Benjamin Webb mentioned in this query married into the De Angelis family; Saybrook records show a second marriage of a daughter of William Webb (of Long Island) to Pascal De Angelis, who migrated to Oneida County. Benjamin of Onondaga is believed to be a son of John and Lydia (Pike) Webb of Saybrook, Ct. There are also apparent descendants of Samuel Webb of Saybrook in marriage records of this time. Thanks in advance. Mark Webb

Hi, I was trying to watch WSTM, Channel 3 News last week to see exactly what was being reported on the "Lost Soul's" story. Unfortunately, they changed the time of broadcast for the 3rd part & I missed it. I had my VCR programmed to tape the 11 pm news, just like the first two parts. I never saw that they advertised to broadcast it on the 6 pm News. None of the previous newscasts that I recorded had a time advertised. Did anyone possibly tape the series, especially the 3rd part...the part where the mother of the stillborn child told her part of the story? I really wanted to hear her side of the story. (Can someone summarize what was said? thanks) I inquired with channel 3 & Jim Kenyon told me I'd have to contact Newstrax 1-800-442-2547 and pay a fee for a copy of the tape. I don't know what the cost will be. I live North of Syracuse & will gladly meet you and give you a blank tape if you could make a copy for me. Thanks Anne Ruggeri Brewerton, NY

I don't know if this is the same with all Catholic cemeteries, but the one here in Spokane recently provided free burial for several dead persons whose bodies have been unclaimed from the coroner's office--some for several years. The cemetery took it upon themselves to take care of those that no one else would. I seem to recall that they also provided a headstone. Many cemeteries are private enterprises, so of course would not provide a free service such as a headstone, but the Catholic cemeteries, I think, run in conjunction with the Church, and thus can provide for services that private places would not.

I'm not Catholic, but some of my research involves people buried in a couple of Catholic cemeteries there and in other counties, and I don't know if there is a different set of "rules & regualtions" for a Catholic Cemetery as opposed to any other kind. I read this news article and I don't know why they would expect the Cemetery to pay for the headstones for these stillborns, or anyone else. In all the other cemeteries that I have dealt with, the family is the one who pays for the cost of a burial, as well as the option of putting up a headstone or not. My mom would use the term " buried in pauper's cemetery" and it took me a long time to learn that this was not actually one cemetery by that name! I have found many graves with no headstones, because the family could not afford it, some were pauper burials, some were not. I have also found names on headstones, but the persons were not buried there; the info was there only for "appearances" of families being buried together. So, is this family expecting St. Mary's to pay for a headstone?? My question: Is this a common thing for a Catholic cemetery to do? To pay for the headstones of those buried there, pauper burial or not? If so, wouldn't they look more like the Military Govt cemeteries, where all the stones look alike?? Curious. Dianne

When I was visiting my grandfather's grave in NY state, Syracuse, I found a stillborn of my aunt is buried in my grandfather's grave. I don't think he would have minded, and I didn't even know there was a stillborn until I visited his grave. Jakki <living in the past lane> IBSSG Hi all, There is an article on the website of WSTM now regarding their investigation into the cemetery story: <http://www.wstm.com/Global/story.asp?S=1651118&nav=2aKCKwdq> Part 1 of this story was shown Wednesday, and part 2 was seen just now (Thursday evening). I'm not sure which part of the story this link is for. -- Mary Taffet --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/04

Hi all, There is an article on the website of WSTM now regarding their investigation into the cemetery story: <http://www.wstm.com/Global/story.asp?S=1651118&nav=2aKCKwdq> Part 1 of this story was shown Wednesday, and part 2 was seen just now (Thursday evening). I'm not sure which part of the story this link is for. -- Mary Taffet