Hi I'm new to this list and I don't know if I have the right county. If I'm off base please point me in the right direction. I'm seeking my great uncle Albert HARDMAN who was born in Dundas Ontario 13 Mar 1888 He moved to Syracuse New York sometime around 1909. He lived at 455 Shonnard St in Syracuse. He married a Julia HINMAN July 31 1911 She lived at 204 Seymour Street in Syracuse. Julia died soon after of complications of childbirth. Julia and Albert had a boy Joe. Julia was buried in Oak Wood Cemetery May 8th 1912? Albert appears to have married Julia's sister Lillian HINMAN a few years later. Dates and places are from old postcards home. Any help would be appreciated. Nelson Denton

In a message dated 7/25/2004 3:16:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I just found out that my Grandfather filled out the first Draft Registration Card in the Town of Dewitt , two questions, would he had to fill out the second card in 1718 , and where could I find this hand written card as the copy from Ancestry.com was very hard to read. I have transcribed it down to everything but 2 lines. Here's an article that may be of interest to listers re: WW1 Draft Registrations: The article appeared in Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter - Plus Edition Date: 1/18/2004 U.S. World War I Draft Registrations The following was written by Jean Nudd, Archivist at the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration Northeast Region in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. As it was written by a government employee in conjunction with her employment, you may freely copy this and republish as you wish. However, I strongly suggest that you credit Jean Nudd as the author. . . .During World War I, there were three registrations. The first was on June 5, 1917, and registered men between the ages of 21 and 31. The second was on June 5, 1918, and registered men who had turned 21 since June 5, 1917 (A supplemental registration on Aug. 24, 1918, registered those becoming 21 since June 5, 1918.). The third registration was held on September 12, 1918 and registered men 18 through 45. So, all men born between 1872 and September 1900 who were not in active military service by June 1917 filled out draft registration cards, whether they were native born, naturalized, or alien. There were five World War I draft classifications, but they were not the straight-forward arrangement that we all remember from later wars, such as 1A or 4F. Every registrant was considered belonging to Class 1 until his status giving him the right of deferred classification was fully established. So, all registrants were in Class 1 unless they were granted a deferment. The remaining classes, 2-5, were known as the deferred classes, but that did not mean they could not be drafted. The report states, "After exhausting class 1, men would be called from the first registration from Class 2, 3, and 4, with practically accurate knowledge that they were being called in direct order of their availability and in inverse order of their need for the social and economic life of the country." Class 5 was the only class not subject to induction. Each draft board used a set of standard "principles" to place men in the deferred classes, including dependency, sundry specific vocations, necessary agricultural and industrial workers, or moral disqualification. Alien citizens, termed alienage by the SSS, were placed in class 5. Enemy aliens were also classified 5s. The rest of registered "noncombatant" and "neutral" aliens were dispersed across Class 1 and other deferred classes. Dependency deferment was based on family support needs, if someone else was able to support family members, and if the man had children or how recently he had married. Sundry specified vocations were generally federal and state officers (class 5), ministers (class 5), pilots (class 5), mariners (class 4), county or municipal officers (class 3), firemen and policemen (class 3), customhouse clerks (class 3), or mailmen (class 3). Necessary agricultural and industrial workers were classified in all classes "according to the degree of their skill and the relative necessity and importance of such an individual to a particular enterprise. In class 2 was placed a registrant found by his district board to be a necessary skilled farm laborer in a necessary agricultural enterprise or a necessary skilled industrial laborer in a necessary industrial enterprise. In class 3... found to be a necessary assistant, associate or hired manager of a necessary enterprise; ...also a registrant found to be a necessary highly specialized technical or mechanical expert of a necessary industrial enterprise. Class 4... found to be a necessary sole managing, controlling, or directing head.". . . Diane Wilson Flynn

In a message dated 7/24/2004 2:23:31 PM Hawaiian Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I just found out that my Grandfather filled out the first Draft Registration Card in the Town of Dewitt Darlene, In order to find the film for Onondaga county's draft registration cards, go to the LDS site (familysearch.org) and click on the Family History Library Catalog. At the catalog page, select Place Search. Type in New York. When the records for New York are displayed, go to Military Records. (There are over 260 entries for the state of New York; military records will be found between 151 and 200.) When you get to Military Records, find World War I and click on it; scroll down to Selective Service System Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918. There are 442 rolls of film for NY organized alphabetically by county and city. Find Onondaga county; there are four films, divided by draft board number. Ancestry.com gives the draft board number; you'll need this to narrow your search. If you've never used a Family History Center before, tell the assistant on duty and you will be shown how to order the film. Good luck. Aloha, Kathy DeFoster Patron Assistant, Kaneohe FHC Former Syracusan

He would have registered only once. The Ancestry.com records are from microfilm of the originals. You could try an LDS FHC to see if you could get a better copy of the microfilm. The original cards are in a NARA facility in Atlanta (Record Group 163.4). See: http://www.archives.gov/research_room/federal_records_guide/ww1_selective_se rvice_system_rg163.html#163.4 -----Original Message----- From: Darlene Brant [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 8:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Town of Dewitt Draft Registration WW1 Hi, I just found out that my Grandfather filled out the first Draft Registration Card in the Town of Dewitt , two questions, would he had to fill out the second card in 1718 , and where could I find this hand written card as the copy from Ancestry.com was very hard to read. I have transcribed it down to everything but 2 lines. Thanks to everyone Sincerely, Darlene Widger - Brant [email protected]

Didn't realize we had a "draft" in 1718!!!! lol Molly [email protected]

Hi, I just found out that my Grandfather filled out the first Draft Registration Card in the Town of Dewitt , two questions, would he had to fill out the second card in 1718 , and where could I find this hand written card as the copy from Ancestry.com was very hard to read. I have transcribed it down to everything but 2 lines. Thanks to everyone Sincerely, Darlene Widger - Brant [email protected]

Gosh, Listers, I apologize. I didn't realize rootsweb would not allow the clickable link. Thanks for calling it to my attention. Try http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enyononda/CEMETERY/St_Peter_and_St_Paul_Russian_Orth odox_Catholic.html Or at usgenweb.com click on NY, then Onondaga County then cemeteries then St Peter and St Paul Russian Orthodox Cemetery. Julia

I've "rescued" a very old bible which belongs to the GARLOCK and LEWIS Families of New York. The information contained in the bible is as follows: GARLOCK FAMILY BIBLE “The GARLOCK Family” David GARLOCK lived in Syracuse, NY, married Sarah, had 8 children and in later years lived on a farm north of Newark, NY. Before they died they lived in the Village of Newark where Mrs. Sarah GARLOCK died 23 Sept 1879. Children: 1-Sarah Jane GARLOCK b. 25 Jan 1829, married Gideon Lyman LEWIS on 28 Sept 1847. Mr. LEWIS was a hotelkeeper that died in 1897, Sarah died 3 May 1920. They had two children, Frank “Frankie” Elroy LEWIS b. 1853 and d.1872; and Lula Viola LEWIS b. 1859, married Charles F. HOELTZEL, died 1938 and had two children including Fredrick L. HOELTZEL and Stephen P. HOELTZEL, Stephen had a son Robert Lewis HOELTZEL. 2-George Washington GARLOCK b. 27 Dec 1831, married Frances WHITTING, and died 27 Jan 1879. They had three children including, George W. GARLOCK Jr.; Cora GARLOCK (m. DEWITT, believed to be a medicine manufacturer and extremely wealthy, Cora had homes in New York City and on the Hudson River); and Minola GARLOCK (had two children including Cora and one other). George Sr. and his family moved to Sioux City, Iowa. 3-Charles GARLOCK b. 30 Dec 1833, died 30 Sept 1834 4-Charles W. GARLOCK b. 14 Dec 1835, died 15 Sept 1837 5-Mary E. GARLOCK b. 26 March 1842, died 21 Aug 1842 6-Helen Mar GARLOCK b. 17 Aug 1844, married Capt. Daniel SANFORD who died in 1865, 2nd marriage to an “Actor”, she was a concert singer. 7&8-Herburt & Delbert GARLOCK b. 1 Aug 1851, Herburt died 8 Jan 1852, Delbert also died sometime in 1852. Marriages: · Gideon L. LEWIS married Sarah J. GARLOCK 28 Sept 1847 · Charles F. HOELTZEL married Lula V. LEWIS 14 June 1881 Births & Deaths: · Gideon L. LEWIS b. 16 Oct 1821 · Sarah J. GARLOCK b. 25 Jan 1829, d. 3 May 1920 · George Washington GARLOCK b. 27 Dec 1831, d. 27 Jan 1879 · Charles GARLOCK b. 30 Dec 1833, d. 30 Sept 1834 · Charles W. GARLOCK b. 14 Nov 1835, d. 15 Sept 1837 · Mary E. GARLOCK b. 26 Mar 1840, d. 21 Aug 1841 · Helen M. GARLOCK b. 17 Aug 1843 · Hurburt GARLCOK b. 1 Aug 1851, d. 8 Jan 1852 · Delbert GARLCOK b. 1 Aug 1851, d. 1852 · Frank E. LEWIS b. 29 Nov 1853, d. 22 May 1872 · Charles F. HOELTZEL b. 20 Aug 1855, d. 1928 · Lula V. HOELTZEL b. 10 Nov 1859, d. 20 March 1938 · Sarah GARLOCK d. 23 Sept 1879 · Fred Lewis HOELTZEL b. 17 Sept 1883, d. 13 Feb 1919 · Stevie Pyatt HOELTZEL b. 12 Aug 1887 “The LEWIS Family” Lyman LEWIS & wife Sarah had 8 children including; 1-Sally LEWIS who married John PIERSON 2-Amelia LEWIS who married Stephen PYETT 3-Catherine LEWIS who married Anson KELLY, daughter Roxy Minnie KELLY m. ? REED 4-Polly LEWIS who married ? SMITH 5-Alanosa LEWIS who married Hatty HINKLEY, son Lewis LEWIS 6-Phiny LEWIS 7-Gideon LEWIS 8-Alford LEWIS Based on limited research I do find David GARLOCK age 77 living in Newark, NY with his daughter Sarah Jane LEWIS age 49 and her husband Gideon L. LEWIS age 53 and granddaughter Lulu V. LEWIS age 20 during the 1880 census. Gideon is said to have been born in PA (parents born in PA & VT respectively), with the others all NY born, with both Sarah Jane and David GARLOCK noting that all their parents were also NY born. I also find Frances GARLOCK, a widow living in Monticello, IA during the 1880 census with two children, a son George H. GARLOCK age 20 and a daughter, Minola GARLOCK age 8. George H. is said to have been born in NY and Minola in IA, providing some indication of the timing of the families move from NY to IA. It appears that the LEWIS Family was living in Arcadia, NY during the 1850 census with Lyman LEWIS noted as the head of household and son Phinney LEWIS age 17 at that time. I also find Catherine LEWIS KELLEY age 45 and her husband Anson KELLEY age 54 living in Rutland, MI during the 1880 census with a niece Mary ENNIS age 9. Catherine notes that both of her parents were born in VT with Anson listing his parents as born in NJ and CT respectively. Further I find Stephen HOELTZEL b. 12 August 1887 died Dec 1970 in Newark, NY and Robert HOELTZEL b. 1 April 1920 died 4 Jan 2004 in East Palmyra or Newark, NY. I'm hoping to locate someone from these families so that this precious family treasure can be returned to family. If you are a member of this family or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

Click here: St Peter and St Paul Russian Orthodox Catholic Cemetery

Scott, I have researched the 1835 census for Onondaga Co. I obtained it as a loan through a local Family History Center of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. There is also a copy available in Syracuse, but the Albany State Library does not have anything before 1855 for Onondaga Co. Go to http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/genealogy/nyscens.htm to see the ones available in Albany. Carl Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott John (IT)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: [NYOnonda] 1835 census for Onondaga > Can any kind soul tell me if this county had one taken and if so where might > I access it ?? > > > > With baited breath, > > > > Jack > > >

Can any kind soul tell me if this county had one taken and if so where might I access it ?? With baited breath, Jack

Hello, I thought I would check again with everyone regarding my family since there seems to be a lot of activity lately. I am trying to figure out who my gg grandmother's parents are. Her name is Emeline P. Rudd born December 29th 1833, Onondaga, New York. (Per her obit) Not sure if it meant Onondaga Township or just somewhere in Onondaga NY. There was probably not a birth certificate filed. The only place I can think of looking is at churches for any baptisms. The only Rudds in Onondaga at that time that were born in Vermont (per a census she stated) were a family of brothers in Lysander. Does anyone know or have a list of the churches in Lysander, Onondaga County, NY in 1833? I don't have a clue as to what religion they were or if they belonged to a church at all. I do know that in her later life after marriage in 1848 in Illinois she was a Methodist. Thank you for any information Sandra

I apologize to anyone who receives this email twice. I know very little about my ancestor Catherine: In 1846 she married Isaac Rowe Carhart (1820-1868). In a Carhart genealogy, she is listed as of North Manlius. Back in 1846, what was considered North Manlius? Where would I look for information from that area today? Are there any property maps, employment directories, etc, from this time period and area? Catherine died in 1847 at the age of 24. She is buried in Collamer Cemetery, which is now in the Town of DeWitt. Would this area have been considered Manlius or North Manlius back in 1846? Any thoughts? Thanks, Sarah

The Syracuse newspaper has free online obits for six months. Robert Frank Baum March 24, 2004 Robert Frank Baum, 77, of Liverpool, passed away Wednesday at Crouse Hospital. Born and raised in LaFayette, Robert served in the US Navy in WWII. Robert married Goldie Bullard 51 years ago. During these years, he served the home furnish-ing needs of the Syracuse community, raised three children, enjoyed the company of his grandchildren, and was an avid fisherman. He is survived by: his wife Goldie; his brother Earl Baum (Bea); two daughters, Cheryl Baum-Lavin and Susan Baum-Lipsy (Alan); his son Scott Baum (Helena); five grandchildren; and several nieces and nephews. Funeral services will be 10 a.m. Monday, March 29, 2004, at the Maurer Funeral Home. Calling hours will be Sunday, March 28, 2004, from 2 to 5 p.m. at the funeral home, 300 Second St., Liverpool. Burial will take place in North Syracuse Cemetery. Contributions may be made to Hospice of CNY, 990 Seventh North St., Liverpool, NY 13088. Published in the Syracuse Post Standard on 3/26/2004. This is the address: http://www.legacy.com/syracuse/LegacyHome.asp Happy Hunting. Joyce in San Antonio, Texas

This query is perhaps a repeat of an old one - nevertheless ....... I am seeking the ancestry of John Robert - b. Canada . ca 1809 - married to Margaret Schemerhorn b. ca. 1814 at Athens, Greene Co. - daughter to John. John Robert - could be the son of John Robert also of Athens Greene Co - 1820 - but ...... In 1830 John Schmerhorn is present at Manlius, Onondaga, Co. In 1840 - none are present. Thomas Roberts is living at Manlius in 1830. There is a Canadian Roberts family at Lysander in 1843. However I believe that Margaret was married by 1840 and preceded that Roberts family. Jack

Hi all, I know Alan Lipsy and his wife Susan who are mentioned in this obituary; their daughter and my son were classmates at the Early Childhood Center at Temple Adath Yeshurun way back when. If the person requesting the obituary would like to contact them, just let me know off-list. -- Mary Taffet Syracuse, NY [email protected] On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 [email protected] wrote: > Robert Frank Baum > > March 24, 2004 Robert Frank Baum, 77, of Liverpool, passed away > Wednesday at Crouse Hospital. Born and raised in LaFayette, Robert > served in the US Navy in WWII. Robert married Goldie Bullard 51 years > ago. During these years, he served the home furnish-ing needs of the > Syracuse community, raised three children, enjoyed the company of his > grandchildren, and was an avid fisherman. He is survived by: his wife > Goldie; his brother Earl Baum (Bea); two daughters, Cheryl Baum-Lavin > and Susan Baum-Lipsy (Alan); his son Scott Baum (Helena); five > grandchildren; and several nieces and nephews. Funeral services will be > 10 a.m. Monday, March 29, 2004, at the Maurer Funeral Home. Calling > hours will be Sunday, March 28, 2004, from 2 to 5 p.m. at the funeral > home, 300 Second St., Liverpool. Burial will take place in North > Syracuse Cemetery. Contributions may be made to Hospice of CNY, 990 > Seventh North St., Liverpool, NY 13088. Published in the Syracuse Post > Standard on 3/26/2004. > > > <http://www.legacy.com/syracuse/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=2066420> > >

Robert Frank Baum March 24, 2004 Robert Frank Baum, 77, of Liverpool, passed away Wednesday at Crouse Hospital. Born and raised in LaFayette, Robert served in the US Navy in WWII. Robert married Goldie Bullard 51 years ago. During these years, he served the home furnish-ing needs of the Syracuse community, raised three children, enjoyed the company of his grandchildren, and was an avid fisherman. He is survived by: his wife Goldie; his brother Earl Baum (Bea); two daughters, Cheryl Baum-Lavin and Susan Baum-Lipsy (Alan); his son Scott Baum (Helena); five grandchildren; and several nieces and nephews. Funeral services will be 10 a.m. Monday, March 29, 2004, at the Maurer Funeral Home. Calling hours will be Sunday, March 28, 2004, from 2 to 5 p.m. at the funeral home, 300 Second St., Liverpool. Burial will take place in North Syracuse Cemetery. Contributions may be made to Hospice of CNY, 990 Seventh North St., Liverpool, NY 13088. Published in the Syracuse Post Standard on 3/26/2004. http://www.legacy.com/syracuse/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=2066 420

Would some kind soul please look up an obituary for me? Robert F. Baum died March 24, 2004 according to the Soc. Sec. death index his last residence was Liverpool, Onondaga, NY Thank you in advance, Nancy Schloss [email protected] [email protected]

I have noticed that there are a number of old Mohawk Valley Families located at Manlius in the 1830 census. There doesn't seem to be a Reformed Lutheran Church in the area. Does anyone know where the location of the Lutheran Church was that these folk might have attended - if any ?? Jack

Jack - Try inputting Schermerhorn onondaga manlius into Google and you will get lots in info. Also try Schemmerhorn onondaga manlius. Good luck and happy hunting. Judy Schor