Roger, There is a family with a Leyshon Thomas showing in the 1870 census for Onondaga County, but there are more in the household than just father and son -- if this is indeed the right family. The index entry for the father is this one: Name: Leyshon Thomas Age in 1870: 45 Estimated Birth Year: 1824 Birthplace: Wales Home in 1870: Syracuse Ward 8, Onondaga, New York Race: White Gender: Male Roll: M593_1063 Page: 521 Image: 353 Year: 1870 In this household I see: Thomas, Leyshon, age 45, M, W, Saloon Keeper, Value of personal estate = 300, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth, male age 21 or over ______, Elizabeth, age 46, F, W, Keeping House, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth, cannot read, cannot write ______, Reese, age 24, M, W, Iron Heater, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth, cannot read, cannot write ______, Leyshon, age 22, M, W, Pedlar, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth ______, Mary, age 27, F, W, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth, cannot read, cannot write ______, Richard, age 18, M, W, Iron Heater, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth ______, Margaret, age 10, F, W, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth, attended school ______, David, age 23, M, W, Iron Heater, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth Lloyd, John, age 35, M, W, Iron Pedlar, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth By the 1880 census, the son Leyshon appears to have married and moved to Norristown, Montgomery County, PA, where he is found with his wife and son whose names are very hard to read. The wife's name looks like Eliza or Elvira, or Elviya or something like that. The son's name looks like Elisha or Eclisha or something like that. Ann Jones is living in the home and listed as mother-in-law. Leyshon is a Hotel Keeper. Leyshon is still listed as having been born in Wales. Leyshon's wife and son were both born in Pennsylvania. The wife's parents were both born in Wales, as were the mother-in-law's parents. By 1900 there are two different Leyshon Thomas's born in Wales about the same time living in Pennsylvania. The one living in Norristown is a Hotel Keeper married to Elizabeth and was born October 1850 (wife born July 1853); he and his wife are shown as having had one child total and one child still living (sometimes this figure is misleading as it might give only the number of children still living and nothing more). There is unfortunately no immigration year shown. The other Leyshon Thomas listed of about the same age didn't immigrate until 1898 so can't be your guy (unless he first went back to Wales). There are quite a few entries in the England & Wales Civil Registration Index for the name "Leyshon Thomas", but unless you know more about this family, it would be hard to pick out records which might be relevant. By the 1920 census there is still a Leyshon Thomas living in Norristown PA. He is listed as having been born in England with both parents born in Wales; his immigration year is unknown. Back to the 1870 census, I looked for a street name but don't see one. I don't know what part of Syracuse Ward 8 would have been in 1870. But it would appear to be part of the city proper rather than one of the nearby areas. A page which gives a nice history of Syracuse in those early days can be found at: <http://www.syracusethenandnow.net/History/Industrial_age_fed_syracuse_boom.htm> It says that by 1910, there were 75 factories involved in making iron and steel related products, so I don't know how easy it would be to figure out which iron factory this family was associated with. -- Hope this helps, Mary Taffet Syracuse, NY Roger Davies wrote: > > Does anyone have access to the 1870 census for Onondaga? I am looking for Leyshon Thomas and his son Leyshon who lived there then. I believe they later moved to Lackawanna PA. > > Thanks > > Roger

Does anyone have access to the 1870 census for Onondaga? I am looking for Leyshon Thomas and his son Leyshon who lived there then. I believe they later moved to Lackawanna PA. Thanks Roger

How do I find marriage records of Onondaga county for 1850- 1850 ? I am looking for the marriage record of Harvey Fuller, resident of Syracuse. Rachel "Volunteer of Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.raogk.com/" --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now.

The Washington Post, Tuesday, January 28, 1896, pg. 3 A DEAL IN DIAMONDS Why Mrs. Roberts Did Not Raise $300 on Them. HER GEMS HAD BEEN DOCTORED Seemingly Stones of Purest Bay Serene, they Suddenly Changed Color When Put in an Acid Bath, and Thereby Manager Evans, of the National Trust Company, Was Saved Some Money – The Diamonds Were Genuine, Although Disguised. Mrs. E. A. Roberts, who says she owns blocks of houses in Syracuse, N. Y., made an effort yesterday to borrow $300 from the National Savings Loan and Trust Company, 617 F street northwest, on diamonds which she claimed were worth $600. Mrs. Roberts did not get a penny of the $300, but she did meet Detectives Horne and Weedon, and much against her will was taken to Police Headquarters. The detectives believed that Mrs. Roberts was endeavoring to consummate one of the cleverest bogus diamond deals ever attempted in Washington. But the woman from Syracuse proved that her diamonds, despite the fact that they had been “doctored”, were genuine. Inspector Hollinberger therefore decided that he could not hold her under the laws of the District, and she was allowed to depart. But during the hour she spent at Police Headquarters, and the half hour at No. 1 station-house, Mrs. Roberts demonstrated to the satisfaction of the detectives that she is a very clever and remarkably quick-witted young woman. How She Caught Mr. Evans. The story of her attempted deal in diamonds is unique. One day last week Manager Evans, of the National Savings Loan and Trust Company, saw an advertisement in one of the daily newspapers that a well-to-do widow, in need of ready money, was willing to pay a bonus of $50 for a thirty-day loan of $300. Good security was guaranteed. Manager Evans read the advertisement, and then he sat down and penned an answer to it. Last Friday a tall, slender woman, of thirty or thereabouts, in a tailor-made gown of black cheviot, and a genuine seal-skin cloak, called at the F street offices of the trust company, and asked for Manager Evans. “I have come to you,” she said, “to consummate that $300 loan. I am a widow, and have $20,000 worth of real estate in Syracuse, N. Y., but I am in need of $300 ready money, and I will give you my note for thirty days.” “And how about the security you have to offer?” suggested Mr. Evans. “Certainly,” answered the widow; “in order to avoid delay, I brought the security for the loan with me. See, these are worth twice the amount I want.” Flashed a Couple of Sparklers. She drew from her purse two big, white diamonds. One was set in a stud, and the other in a pin. Manager Evans flatters himself that he knows a thing or two about diamonds, and after his first glimpse of Mrs. Roberts’ jewels, he was more than delighted. “If these are all right,” he said, “they are worth a great deal of money.” “Test them and see,” said the widow, with a laugh. And test them he did. He put them under the searching light of his jeweler’ s glass, and he tried them by all the conventional tests. But he failed to find even a suggestion of a flaw. “Come Monday, and you can have your money. I am satisfied with your security, “ said he. Mrs. Roberts, thinking that Mr. Evans had satisfied himself as to the genuineness of the stones, did a bold thing. “I will seal them in this envelope,” she said, “and indorse it with your name. Now they will not be removed from that envelope until you receive them. I will call at 9 o’clock Monday morning.” Mrs. Roberts glided out of the office, and Mr. Evans began to think it over. The more he thought about the proposed deal the less he liked it. But he did not really suspect that anything was wrong until he started to locate the rich widow in need of ready money. She had told him she was living at 1327 S street northwest. He found that there was no such number. At this stage of his investigation he decided to ask the aid of the police. Inspector Hollinberger heard his story and Central Office Detectives Horne and Weedon were assigned to the case. They soon discovered that Mrs. Roberts was living under cover. Acting under the instructions of the detectives, Mr. Evans perfected his arrangements for the reception of Mrs. Roberts. Discovery of the Fraud. As early as 7 o’clock yesterday morning Detectives Horne and Weedon were walking up and down in front of Mr. Evans’ office. The widow failed to materialize until long after 11 o’clock. She wore her sealskin sacque, and was apparently in the very best of spirits. Evans met her at the door of his office and ushered her in. “Here are the diamonds,” she said, handing him the sealed envelope. He opened it, and saw apparently the same stones that he had seen last week. “Just sign this thirty-days’ note and these receipts,” he said. “I will be back in a moment with the money.” He took the diamonds into a rear room and subjected them to the final and deciding test of all. He plunged the gems into an acid bath. When Evans came out of the back room he was very nervous, but he did manage to disguise his true feelings until the detectives had entered in response to his signal. “What’s the matter?” queried Mrs. Roberts. “Has anything happened to my diamonds?” “Yes; they have turned from white to yellow. They are painted stones.” No Law to Hold Her. Mrs. Roberts took her arrest very quietly. As Detective Horne started her on the way to headquarters, she said: “You have no case against me. You will find that they are real diamonds, and it is no crime to raise as much money as you can on real diamonds.” The detectives took her to Hollinberger, but after the Inspector had questioned her he told Horne to take the alleged diamonds to an expert and have them tested. “If they are genuine,” continued the Inspector, “let her go, as we have no law to hold her. If they are bogus, hold the woman.” Mrs. Roberts accompanied Horne to H. K. Fulton’s pawn shop, on Pennsylvania avenue. There the diamonds were tested by the experts and pronounced genuine, but worth comparatively little. Horne took the widow over to No. 1 station-house and handed her back the diamonds. Then she was released, and went on her way rejoicing. The police say that this is the first case of raising the value of diamonds by “painting” ever recorded in this city. Transcribed by: Jamie M. Perez [email protected] “Trying to confirm or refute that CORNELIUS McLEAN SR. 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Spaces are still available for the Internet Access to Historical Records workshop on Oct. 12! To register, call 315/446-5446 or email <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected] </A>. Registration is limited to 12 people. Event: Internet Access to New York’s Historical Records Presenters: Susan Hughes, Regional Archivist and Nancy Howe, Technical Services and Training Manager Date: October 12, 2004 Time: 10 a.m. – 1 p.m. Location: CLRC Headquarters Fee: $10 Description: Participants will be provided with information on how to locate historical records using the Internet, the types of information relating to historical records available on the Internet, and how to identify sites that collect Internet addresses of archives, historical societies, and libraries. <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Please note: This is not a general introduction to using the Internet. Participants should have a basic knowledge of computers and the Internet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Susan M. Hughes Regional Archivist Central New York Library Resources Council 6493 Ridings Road Syracuse, New York 13206 315/446-5446 voice 315/446-5590 fax <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Does anyone know the relationship between brothers Samuel, age 9 and Jesse Clements age 13 and John and Clara Clements Oliver? They all lived together in Skaneateles (1850 census).Thanks for any info or hints you may have. Laney

Lois E. Rainbow September 20, 2004 Lois E. Rainbow, 84, of North Syracuse, dearly beloved mother and grandmother, died Monday at Crouse Hospital. She was born in Syracuse, February 27, 1920, to Leo and Josephine Weber Werner. In 1934, at age 14, she was the youngest wom-an to swim across Skaneateles Lake. She graduated from North High in 1937. She was a bookkeeper for 35 years at Crouse Hinds Company and was a member of their Quarter Century Retirees Club. She was an avid golfer and bowler throughout her life. Lois was predeceased by her husband of 47 years, Robert, and two brothers, Donald and Howard Werner. Lois was a loving mother and grandmother, an intelligent woman who had great compassion for her family, especially her grandchildren. Mrs. Rainbow is survived by her son Douglas Rainbow of Chittenango; son and daughter-in-law, Thomas and Piper Rainbow of Clay; and son Rodney Rainbow of North Syracuse; her grandsons and granddaughters, great-grandsons and great-granddaughters; and several nieces and nephews. Funeral Services will be Friday at 9:30 a.m. at Fergerson Funeral Home and 10 a.m. at St. Rose of Lima Church, with burial following in North Syracuse Cemetery. Calling hours will be from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. on Thursday at Fergerson Funeral Home, 215 South Main Street, North Syracuse. Donations may be made to the American Cancer Society, PO Box 7, East Syracuse 13057. Published in the Syracuse Post Standard on 9/22/2004. http://www.legacy.com/Syracuse/Guestbook.asp?Page=Guestbook <http://www.legacy.com/Syracuse/Guestbook.asp?Page=Guestbook&PersonID=26 36091> &PersonID=2636091 _____ Forwarded by: Angelynn Jane Rainbow

Hi, List, In case you haven't visited my website (see URL below) for awhile, I wanted to let you know I have posted some new additions, including: --MONUMENTS-- --some German NATURALIZATIONS--- ---and a new INDEX to the book I have online, "Geschichte der Deutschen in Syracuse und Onondaga County" ("History of the Germans in Syracuse, etc.") There will be more coming online over the next few weeks as I digest and encode some of the things I recently gathered, so you might want to keep checking my "What's New" page from time to time. I also wanted to let those of you who might be able to attend know that the three-day annual Oktoberfest starts tomorrow and runs this weekend, Sept. 24 - 26, in Clinton Square, downtown Syracuse (Free admission! Live music! Singing! Dancing! Food! Parade!). Hours are Friday & Saturday, Noon-11:00 p.m.; Sunday 11:00 a.m.-6:00 p.m. Call 315-675-8321 or 315-473-4330 for info. Evidently there is a Bavarian flavor to it. Let me know if they're still doing the Chicken Dance! In past years proceeds from Oktoberfest have gone to (among other things) restoring German monuments, so if you can, please turn out and show your support while having some fun and meeting others with Onondaga/German roots. Cheers, Michelle Stone way down in Dixie in the USA [email protected] "German Immigrant Ancestors in Syracuses & Onondaga Co., NY" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/

Gilbert Clark b. abt. 1815 Onondago Co. Ny. wife Cordelin b. abt. 1820 VT. children Edwin, Oscar, James, Lucinda moved to Hume, Allegany Co. Ny. about 1852 from Wyoming 1870 census living Gaineville, Wyoming Co. Ny. Would like to know more about this family. Ann in Ks.

Andrew Clark b. July 16, 1821 Edridge Ononadaga Co. Ny. mar. Dec. 27, 1840 Mary Colburn b. May 5, 1822 Wilfred are you still out there. Ann in Ks.

I just noticed a posting on this list by a "Shawn Cahill". I wanted to ask if Shawn (or anyone out there in "Nyononda-Land") had been exploring, or are related to, either the CAHILL or FAYLE families. I am researching these 2 families for a family friend. We know that "E. Agnes CAHILL", daughter of Edward CAHILL, married Thomas FAYLE and lived in Syracuse with their 3 children (1910 census). Thomas FAYLE (b.c.1873) was the son of James FAYLE (b.c.1832 in "Ireland") (1870,1880 census). James was the son of John FAYLE (b.c.1792-4 in "Ireland") and Jane Brogan FAYLE (b.c.1794 in "Ireland".John and Jane are first listed in the 1865 New York state census. Our question is when and from where did John FAYLE arrive in America? I can find the son James FAYLE in Syracuse by 1860 census, as well as the 1859 Syracuse city directory, with his brother John FAYLE, but the father John FAYLE is not listed living with them at that time. Any assistance would be appreciated and information gladly exchanged! Thank you. Sal Akehi [email protected]

Hi There A couple of weeks ago I was talking to my Uncle Gene and he said that there was a VHS Tape that was made by his cousin Daniel Kelley on the Kelley's and that my father(Chick Cahill) had a copy but he can't find it. I'm wondering if this is the same tape that you where talking about or if anyone knows about this Kelley tape that was made and shown on TV back in Onondaga area not sure when it was shown Thank you Shawn T Cahill Lois & Mike Lyon <[email protected]> wrote: Just curious, list friends: Has there been any reply to this message? Thanks. LL ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:12 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] VHS Tape on Old Syracuse Hi Folks: I was told by a fried that he viewed a great VHS tape on old Syracuse at the State Fair this year. He was not able to learn the name of the tape or how to purchse a copy. It was playing in the Women's Building in the piano room on the second floor. He said it was great with many old photos. Does anyone know how to purchse a copy of the tape? Bill Casey PO Box 36 Apulia Station, NY 13020 [email protected] 315 683-5674 http://www.fabiusny.org http://www.organicmilk.org

Just curious, list friends: Has there been any reply to this message? Thanks. LL ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:12 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] VHS Tape on Old Syracuse Hi Folks: I was told by a fried that he viewed a great VHS tape on old Syracuse at the State Fair this year. He was not able to learn the name of the tape or how to purchse a copy. It was playing in the Women's Building in the piano room on the second floor. He said it was great with many old photos. Does anyone know how to purchse a copy of the tape? Bill Casey PO Box 36 Apulia Station, NY 13020 [email protected] 315 683-5674 http://www.fabiusny.org http://www.organicmilk.org

Hi Folks: I was told by a fried that he viewed a great VHS tape on old Syracuse at the State Fair this year. He was not able to learn the name of the tape or how to purchse a copy. It was playing in the Women's Building in the piano room on the second floor. He said it was great with many old photos. Does anyone know how to purchse a copy of the tape? Bill Casey PO Box 36 Apulia Station, NY 13020 [email protected] 315 683-5674 http://www.fabiusny.org http://www.organicmilk.org

Jim, What years are you searching? The Onondaga Co. Public Library in Syracuse has some scrapbooks of clipped old obituaries, arranged alphabetically by surname. Contact them for details. http://www.ocpl.lib.ny.us/ Michelle in Georgia [email protected] wrote: > Quick question - is there an index to the obituaries? > > Jim in Vermont > >

Bill If you are on this list please contact me. We may be cousins on the Burns family. Jim Avery

Anyuone related to these people? I know there were relatives in Syracuse, but these folks are buried in Cazenovia. Wilson, Dora Higgins, wife of James Wilson (2), born 1885, died 1951 Wilson, James (2), born 1885, died 1936 Collins, Cecelia A., wife of John J. Collins, born 1872, died 1959 Collins, John J., born 1865, died 1936 Burns, Catherine Higgens, wife of Michael Burns, born 1859, died 1943. Burns, Michael, died October 26, 1910 Carey, Margaret Burns, born 1878, died 1959. Burns, Thomas F., born 1874, died 1953 Arnold, Frances, born July 21, 1897, died October 9, 1988 Thanks for your time. Jim in Vermont

Quick question - is there an index to the obituaries? Jim in Vermont

Hello: I have not posted anything in a long time, but still looking for information on my great-uncle and great-aunt. They are James Ephraim Martin and Janetta Swesey..... James was born in Clay, NY, July 18, 1872 and Janetta was born in the state of Kansas, town unknown, on April 12, 1873. I have a marriage date of August 04, 1897. I do know that from approximately 1904 - 1921, they resided in Balboa, Canal Zone where is was employed by the railroad. I am really searching for marriage location, so that I might be able to obtain a copy of their marriage license. I used to have contact with a distant member of the Martin Family, Ron Becker, but his E mail address has changed. Thanks in advance to anyone who can give me any help at all with this Peggy in Ohio

The subscription site www.civilwardata.com lists a Russell Hills who was killed in the Civil War but he was from CT. There was a Harvey Hills, age 42, who enlisted 10/11/1861 in Cooperstown NY but he survived the war and was granted a pension in 1882. A Daniel Hills enlisted 8/13/1862 in Cuyler NY and died during the war but his age at enlistment is listed as 23. -----Original Message----- From: Ann Murphy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: DANIEL HILLS & RUTH DICKERSON Daniel Hills b. Dec. 14, 1761 d. abt 1845 Fabius, Ny. mar. Feb. 23, 1786 Ct. Ruth Dickerson b. abt. 1765 Ct. dau. Ruth Hills b. June 4, 1792 Ct. d. Oct. 20, 1828 Where ???? mar. May 26, 1814 Fabius, Ny. Joseph H. Clark unknown dates Looking for new information on Ruth Hills & Joseph H. Clark children Clarissa mar. Lyman Albigence Chaffee Daniel unknown Russell b. abt. 1819 Civil War Harvey b. abt.1821 Civil War I have been told one died Civil War which one?? Ann in Ks. [email protected] ______________________________