In 1880 census Philip, 77 was living with his brother Luke,86, still in Redfield says Luke and Philip born NY. 1860 would be the key year. Just can't seem to locate Philip. Didn't see him with Luke that year either. That information is available no charge at familysearch.com if you want it. Jennifer In a message dated 4/13/2004 8:16:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello List, Looking for any information that could help in a brick wall we've come up against. Elisha Farmer 1858-1917 - wife Mildred Reese 10/4/1864-6/29/1951 daughters Edna Grace 11/28/1887-1893 Hertha 10/23/1890-6/6/1983 Helen 3/22/1892-1/25/1955 - married Howard Evans had 5 children All are buried in the Westmoreland Union (new) Cemetery. Elisha - father was Phillip P. Farmer - mother -unk ( Phillip is my 3rd Great Grand Uncle) Roomer pasted down is that Elisha ran away from home at age of 6 because his stepmother was so mean. We know that Phillip was married to 1st wife, Salana Wood had 4 sons . Then to Elishas mother, 3rd wife was Emma. Can anyone put some light on who Elishas mother could be? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Penny [email protected] Pulaski, NY ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== Contact the List Manager at [email protected] For List Rules visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006 click on Mailing List Visit the Oneida County Mailing List Surname Page at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006/oneida.html Visit the Oneida Co NYGenWeb Page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida