In a message dated 3/2/2004 2:36:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Joseph Niederer Christian Niederer Charles Niederer boarded a ship in Havre , France 1857 or1858 Passenger date age port of dep. origin ship Christian Niederer23 Apr 1857 21 M Le Havre, France CHE Danube Joseph Niederer23 Apr 1857 38 M Le Havre, France CHE Danube This is the only Charles Mr. Charles Niederer05 Nov 1873 20 M Le Havre, France NY Herizan,FRA Ville Du Havre