--WebTV-Mail-16122-2469 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit KELLOGG FAMILY HISTORY UPDATE --WebTV-Mail-16122-2469 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-12.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.49) by storefull-256.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <lenraab@dreamsoft.com> Received: from ds-pom1.dreamsoft.com ([207.218.159.1]) by mailsorter-101-12.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id TAA15996 for <mainmule@webtv.net>; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lfraab (pm05-port08.dreamsoft.com [206.132.122.216]) by ds-pom1.dreamsoft.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id <B0008452436@ds-pom1.dreamsoft.com>; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:09:01 -0700 Message-ID: <002301bfb3db$3f3dfce0$d87a84ce@lfraab> From: "Leonard F. Raab" <lenraab@dreamsoft.com> To: "Bill Kellogg" <mainmule@webtv.net>, <kellogg@cncnet.com> References: <15146-390E2535-2744@storefull-252.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Re: Scottish Roots Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:03:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hi Bill. I've never heard reference to this crest before. The Belden line that married into the Kellogg line when Lydia married Stephen, brought the claim of a coat of arms, which included the fleur-de-lis. I have read the description of this coat of arms which was held by a Belden family of around Lydia's time in New England and included a drawing. Another curiousity, is the statement that the Kelloggs were Borders, as this is a claim made by the DeLise (Lillie-Lilly-Lily) line, which my great-grandmother, Mary Orilla Lillie is descended from and who married Benjamin F.E. Kellogg. The Lilly claim is as DeLisle, a member of William I's invaders arrived from Normandy. Ultimately, the family settled along "The Wall" and became Reviers or borders, making raids into Scotland or England, as their needs or moods dictated. The family was finally exiled to Ireland and America. As for the Belden coat of arms - it came to the family by marriage several generations earlier and the Belden claim was mostly by default. If I come across the description and how it came to the Belden line, I'll let you know. Bottom line - seems anyone can find someone who will come up with a coat of arms or crest for a fee. Even a hundred years ago. The only claim to Scottish heritage for the Kellogg line I can find, is that historically, the Scots were the weavers of wool, as there was where the major source of wool was. When the Crown dictated that wool shall be used for every imaginable use, weavers were brought from Scotland to the towns nearer English ports in order to expedite the weaving and shipment of woolen goods. Many Kellogg men were weavers. I have read in some genealogies that the Kelloggs were of Scottish descent, but it must have been prior to our earliest proven ancestor, who resided in England. Here is an exerpt from "The Kelloggs in the Old World and New." > Since all names were originally significant, although their meaning may have been forgotten in time, it is easy to account for such names as may have been identified with trades, profession, residence, etc., and for the derivation of Kellogg we would first look for some reason which would have caused the adoption of the name by its first bearer. Here arises the difficulty of determining the first form of the name, and its many variations may be illustrated by the following examples from the records in Old and New England: Kellog, Kelhogge, Kyllyogge. Kellyogge, Kellogg, Kellogge, Kelogge, Kellok, Kelhoge, Cologe, Kellhogg, Kellork. Kellodge, Cellodge, Kellogue. Kellock. hillhog, Kilhog, Collidge, Calaug, Colloge, Cellog, Keelogg. We first find the Kelloggs in towns with Saxon names, and if they were Saxon. we have as a possible derivative, Keilhau, the German name of the miner's pickaxe, which is still in existence in Germany, Denmark and Norway. According to family tradition, however, Great Britain was the original home of the family and there are a number of legends to that effect. The most general of these is that advanced by Hon. Day Otis Kellogg, formerly United States Consul at Glasgow, Scotland, one of the earliest collectors of Kellogg data (See N. E. Hist. Gen. Reg., 1858, Genealogical Items of the Kellogg Family, 88). He relates the tradition that the Kelloggs were partisans of James VI, of Scotland, and came with him to England (when he ascended the throne of Great Britain as James I), and remained there until their settlement in New England. He suggested that the name was derived from two Gaelic words "Fill," a cemetery, and "Loch." a lake--that is, the "Family of the Lake Cemetery" ; and, as a result of his statement. the belief that the family is of Scottish origin is now widespread. While Kellock and Kellick in England, Ceilog or Cuilog in Wales, Kello and Kellowe* in England and Scotland are not unusual, a diligent search of the public record. in Great Britain, fails to reveal the name of Kellock or Kalloch as early as that of Kellogg, which appears in the Lay Subsidies** for Debden, Essex County, in 1525 (although Nicholas Keylogg was a witness. to the will of William Hall. of Debden, in 1515), when Nicholas and William Kellog, of Debden, were taxed and where the name is found in the parish registers from 1558 to 1640. > The author also states that no crest or coat of arms (as of ca 1900) had been found for the family. Guess you can pick any color and plaid kilts you want. - Len ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Kellogg" <mainmule@webtv.net> To: <kellogg@cncnet.com> Cc: <lenraab@dreamsoft.com> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 5:45 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Scottish Roots | HI SONJA,_____ I RECEIVED THIS IN MY E-MAILTODAY._____ HAVE YOU SEEN | THIS BEFORE?_____ I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE SOURCE._____ I FOUND IT | INTERESTING BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO PROVE A SCOTTISH CONNECTION.YOUR | COMMENTS INVITED. | | --WebTV-Mail-16122-2469--