Hi Karen, You might try sending to the City of Utica Dept. of Vital Records, 406 Elizabeth St., Utica, NY 13501 for a death certificate (genealogical copy, long form) for Elizabeth Murray in the year 1913. The cost is $11.00 by money order, and you will need a copy of your driver's license and some indication of how you are related to the deceased. If you have questions, their phone number is 315-738-0218. If you don't know any one specific year of death, they can tell you the cost of searching, say, a three-year time period. They can also tell you where to send for a copy of the marriage certificate. Good luck. Joanne Garland -----Original Message----- From: Karen L. Todd <kltodd@montana.campuscwix.net> To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, January 02, 2000 11:01 AM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Murray in Utica Happy New Year List, It's a new year and I'm trying again to find these elusive relatives. I am looking for information on Hugh and Elizabeth Murray of Utica in the time frame of 1908 and 1913. I believe Hugh died 1908-1909 and Elizabeth 1913-1914. I need help finding their exact date of deaths. In 1908 they lived on 58 Tracy Street. The last time Elizabeth appeared in the directory was 1913 and was listed as widow of Hugh living at 336 Lincoln. They were married in the Grace Episcopal Church, Genesee Street, Utica on February 16, 1876. I wrote to the church in the spring of 1999 and never received a response. Can anyone help? Thanks, Karen (in chilly Montana) ______________________________