> It just so happened the cemetery > in question is located in the back yard of this particular residence. Both > before, and following my introducing myself and explaining my interest in > this cemetery I was told, in a rather pointed, direct and mildly venomous > fashion that the cemetery was "on private property", "hers", and that I > would not be allowed acess. This caught my attention because a similar question was addressed on another list, and it was determined that the law in that state (MO) required "reasonable access" to cemeteries on private property. I just spent about 90 minutes combing through NY Code and using various law search engines as well as standard engines such as Dogpile and Google, and found nothing about this sort of situation. Perhaps there is a lawyer on the list or somone with better search skills than mine who could clarify what rights belong to the public and how they are balanced against private property rights in such cases. It does seem as though Erwin encountered someone who might not be moved--at least not in a helpful direction--by reference to the law, and it is true that private property owners do have legitimate concerns about their liability exposure, etc., when people enter their property, and of course we should treat property owners with the consideration we would want for ourselves (as Erwin clearly did). But does anyone know if it is legal in NY to bar access to a cemetery on private property?

The Matt brewery website is at: http://www.saranac.com/brewery.html If you long to hear/see that Utica Club commercial again you can get a three-tape set which contains over 100 different beer commercials from the 1950s and 60s for $36.95. It's at the store of the American Brewery History Page at: http://207.153.232.18/store/s2103.shtml Regards,JB

The brewery was and is the F. X. Matt Brewing Company. The words, to the best of my recollection are as follows: Oh, brew me no brew with artificial bubbles Those carbonated beers of today For Utica Club will still take the trouble To age beer the natural way Utica Club UC To see Schultz and Dooley as well as their newer friends go here: http://www.schultzanddooley.com/ Mary H maryh@telenet.net _____________________________________________ C M Strong wrote: > Does anyone remember the name of the brewery that produced Utica > Club beer and ale? It does not still exist does it? > > Can anyone still sing the jungle, sung by two beer steins [whose > names you can find at the very bottom of this post -- this is a > memory test, you see :-)] that began "Oh, brew me no brew with > artificial bubbles ........" ?? (I will finish this if anyone > expresses any interest! Probably only me and Rosie O'Donnell > totally love this stuff to death!) > > Thanks! > Marsha Strong > Gainesville, FL > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > "Steins" names are Shultz and Dooley! > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/

To all those on the list I thought I would share an genealogical experience that I had just outside of Rome, New York about 2 months ago. My 5th great grandparents, Gershom and Catherine Hinckley, are buried in an "abandoned" cemetery, sometimes refered to as the "Niles Cemetery", on route 69 near the Oriskany Battlefield Monument. I live in Grants Pass, Oregon and my wife and I elected to take a cross country drive into New York and surrounding states. We thought we would attempt researching some of the New England areas that we had not before been able to access, for one reason or another. In attempting to find the cemetery in question I stopped at a residence near route 69 and Monument Rd. It just so happened the cemetery in question is located in the back yard of this particular residence. Both before, and following my introducing myself and explaining my interest in this cemetery I was told, in a rather pointed, direct and mildly venomous fashion that the cemetery was "on private property", "hers", and that I would not be allowed acess. For those of you who may have it in mind in the future to visit ancestors' gravesites a word to the wise. Prepare for the eventuality that you may be rudely rebuffed without apparent reason. Erwin Kirby

Hi! I have a book in front of me titled "Cradle of the Middle Class, The Family in Oneida County, New York, 1790-1865" by Mary P. Ryan. I will quote from page 170: "By midcentury, however, the Oneida Institute had sold out to a more conventional boarding school called the Whitestown Seminary. This secondary school was a way station for youth, neatly tucked under the extended eaves of the parental roof. Parents, not students, most often arranged and financed secondary education midcentury. The staff of the Whitestown Seminary instructed mothers and fathers to 'state very frankly and fully your wishes in reference to the studies, the intellectual and moral training of children, so that the teachers may feel at liberty to give you all that information which an intelligent and considerate parent desires when entrusting a son or daughter to the authority of strangers.'" ( I will skip a little.) -"The classical programs at Whitestown Seminary and the Utica Free Academy provided little vocational education per se, and aspiring professionals were obliged to go on to college and postgraduat training in law, medicine, or the ministry" Names I am searching in Oneida County: WHEELER, BRYAN, UPSON, SPENCER, JOHNSON, PRESTON, Kathy Johnson----Original Message----- From: chris benson <makettle@dreamscape.com> To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 6:22 AM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Oneida Seminary >I have found reference to an Oneida Academy later being called the Oneida Institute >located in Whitesboro, for the preparation of poor young men in the ministry and was >started by George Washington Gale around the early 1800's. >This was later called the Whitestown Seminary. This was a church-backed school, >established by the Presbyterians in 1827. The Free- will Baptists took over in the mid >1840's, closing in the 1880's. >Chris > > >> >> >> Can anyone tell me where the Oneida Seminary was located (1860s), what >> kind of school it was, does it still exist, are there any >> student/faculty records remaining??? >> Thanks, >> Ken > >______________________________

My husband and I just visited the Rome area. We went up to the Westernville Cemetery. We had a really good experience. The man "Stewy Louie" who is care taker of the records lives in a house opposite the cemetery. He was very nice and we got to see all the records for the Growers buried in the cemetery. One of the Growers had even signed as sexton on all the records for like 30 years. We had a tougher time locating stones. The plotting of the cemetery is very old and difficult to read. If anyone has information on any of my families I would appreciate it. colette@mtaonline.net

The Utica Brewery still exists. They produce Utica Club. They sell the steins in their store. You can take a tour which starts in a 1890 hotel lobby and ends with a ride in a red trolley to the pub where they serve root beer and beer. The primary stein characters were shultz and duelly. They later added Officer suds and the contessa. colette@mtaonline.net

well, the tune is slow in returning. ...aged beer the natural way. Utica Club you see. They are still in production and one of the sponsers of the "famous" Utica Boilermaker Race with the new finish line right in front of the brewery. there was also the eagle brewery. Chris and Doug ( who also went to New Hartford schools) > > > Does anyone remember the name of the brewery that produced Utica > Club beer and ale? It does not still exist does it? > > > Jan Hayden > > Atlanta,Ga > > > > Ps I grew up in New Hartford, NY..The Matt kids went to school there. > >

BYMAN TUTTLE lived in Paris, Oneida County, NY, as of the 1830 census, apparently with seven children. Three of his four daughters were Mary Marinda (Tuttle) Huggins, Celinda (Tuttle) Tuttle (wife of Elam Tuttle's son Benajah), and Phebe Tuttle. His three sons may have been Abel (b.c. 1819 in Mass.), William (b.c. 1825), and John (b.c. 1828-30). Byman lived in Cambria, Niagara County, NY, in 1828, and was originally from Russell, Massachusetts. His wife (m. 1807) was Mary Henry, and she may later have married John Whitaker. Seek any information on Byman Tuttle's life, death, burial, descendants. Have pieced together his extensive New Haven ancestry. Willing to exchange information with other descendants. Joanne Garland (Massachusetts) jogar@javanet.com

All I can remember is: Utica Club, oh Utica Club, Wins two to one! (But as kids we always LOVED Shultz and Dooley!) Joanne Garland (Massachusetts) -----Original Message----- From: C M Strong <cmstrong@mindspring.com> To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 7:54 PM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica Brewery/ies >Does anyone remember the name of the brewery that produced Utica >Club beer and ale? It does not still exist does it? > >Can anyone still sing the jungle, sung by two beer steins [whose >names you can find at the very bottom of this post -- this is a >memory test, you see :-)] that began "Oh, brew me no brew with >artificial bubbles ........" ?? (I will finish this if anyone >expresses any interest! Probably only me and Rosie O'Donnell >totally love this stuff to death!) > >Thanks! >Marsha Strong >Gainesville, FL > . > . >"Steins" names are Shultz and Dooley! > >______________________________

I believe the original name of the brewery that made Utica Club beers was the West End Brewery, and evolved into the Matts Brewery. The name of the other stein was Schultzie. Another well known brewery, in the Utica area, was the Fort Schuyler Brewery. LRB Eden2001@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/29/99 8:02:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cmstrong@mindspring.com writes: > > > Does anyone remember the name of the brewery that produced Utica > > Club beer and ale? It does not still exist does it? > > Hi Marsha, > Your letter really brought back a lot of memories! Utica Club had some of the > best commercials on t.v. when I was a kid ( 41 now ). I went to school with > two of the Matt kids. Oh yeah..The name of the Brewery was F. X. Matt Brewing > Co or Berwery. I think it just goes by Matts brewery or Brewing Co now. They > make Saranac Ales amongst other things. They are still going strong as far as > I know. > > I would love to know the rest of the words to the jingle too, so go ahead and > share them! > I wish I could remember the names of those silly steins..one was Dooley I > think. My brother has a set of them in Houston. > > Thanks for writing about Utica Club. ( later became Matt's ...same family ). > The F was for Francis..the X was for Xavier. > > Jan Hayden > Atlanta,Ga > > Ps I grew up in New Hartford, NY..The Matt kids went to school there. > > > >Can anyone still sing the jungle, sung by two beer steins [whose > >names you can find at the very bottom of this post -- this is a > >memory test, you see :-)] that began "Oh, brew me no brew with > >artificial bubbles ........" ?? (I will finish this if anyone > >expresses any interest! Probably only me and Rosie O'Donnell > >totally love this stuff to death!) > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/

I always knew it as the "Utica Brewery". I don't know if it is still there now, but it was in the early 1980s. I had a girlfriend who used to like to go on the tour to get the free beer at the end. She went to college in Utica and she would go on the tour like 2-3 times a week and change her appearance so no one would recognize her!!! LOL! | | | Joan Broneske \|/ unicorn@softcom.net /|\ //|\\ -----Original Message----- From: C M Strong <cmstrong@mindspring.com> To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 4:57 PM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica Brewery/ies >Does anyone remember the name of the brewery that produced Utica >Club beer and ale? It does not still exist does it? > >Can anyone still sing the jungle, sung by two beer steins [whose >names you can find at the very bottom of this post -- this is a >memory test, you see :-)] that began "Oh, brew me no brew with >artificial bubbles ........" ?? (I will finish this if anyone >expresses any interest! Probably only me and Rosie O'Donnell >totally love this stuff to death!) > >Thanks! >Marsha Strong >Gainesville, FL >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >"Steins" names are Shultz and Dooley! > > >==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== >Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com >Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html >List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html >Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ >

Does anyone remember the name of the brewery that produced Utica Club beer and ale? It does not still exist does it? Can anyone still sing the jungle, sung by two beer steins [whose names you can find at the very bottom of this post -- this is a memory test, you see :-)] that began "Oh, brew me no brew with artificial bubbles ........" ?? (I will finish this if anyone expresses any interest! Probably only me and Rosie O'Donnell totally love this stuff to death!) Thanks! Marsha Strong Gainesville, FL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Steins" names are Shultz and Dooley!

Seeking information/ancestry of Richard CHAPEL, listed as a landowner in Floyd in 1814. Is he father of Elizabeth CHAPEL, who married Nathaniel BLACKMAN prior to birth of first child, Sarah Ann BLACKMAN, Aug. 13, 1830? The 1835 Floyd census shows an "S. Chapel." Is this Richard's widow? Thanks! M.W. Beerman Omaha, NE

Hi Chris, Thanks for even more of that tune...this is fun! My brother used to run the Boilermaker each year..even after he moved to Houston...he would make a special tripn to Utica to run. He hasn't done that in the last few years as far as I know. Jan Dwyer Hayden ( GO Spartans! ) Atlanta,Ga In a message dated 11/29/99 10:19:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, makettle@dreamscape.com writes: > well, the tune is slow in returning. > ...aged beer the natural way. Utica Club you see. > > They are still in production and one of the sponsers of the "famous" Utica > Boilermaker Race with the new finish line right in front of the brewery. > > there was also the eagle brewery. > Chris and Doug ( who also went to New Hartford schools) >

In a message dated 11/29/99 9:18:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, w2hax@sunline.net writes: > West End Brewery, and evolved into the Matts Brewery Hi, Yep..you are right! Time and working too many long hours does strange things too the memory sometimes. Thanks for the name of the other stein. I remember Fort Schuyler beer too. Personally I like Amber beer and Saranac ( made by Matts ) has a real nice one...can't find it down here. I can only find their Black & Tan. But I still miss the home town brews. Nice hearing from someone who remembered Fort Schuyler beer. That's hometown for sure! Keep smilin' ! Jan Hayden Atlanta, Ga

In a message dated 11/29/99 8:02:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, cmstrong@mindspring.com writes: > Does anyone remember the name of the brewery that produced Utica > Club beer and ale? It does not still exist does it? Hi Marsha, Your letter really brought back a lot of memories! Utica Club had some of the best commercials on t.v. when I was a kid ( 41 now ). I went to school with two of the Matt kids. Oh yeah..The name of the Brewery was F. X. Matt Brewing Co or Berwery. I think it just goes by Matts brewery or Brewing Co now. They make Saranac Ales amongst other things. They are still going strong as far as I know. I would love to know the rest of the words to the jingle too, so go ahead and share them! I wish I could remember the names of those silly steins..one was Dooley I think. My brother has a set of them in Houston. Thanks for writing about Utica Club. ( later became Matt's ...same family ). The F was for Francis..the X was for Xavier. Jan Hayden Atlanta,Ga Ps I grew up in New Hartford, NY..The Matt kids went to school there. >Can anyone still sing the jungle, sung by two beer steins [whose >names you can find at the very bottom of this post -- this is a >memory test, you see :-)] that began "Oh, brew me no brew with >artificial bubbles ........" ?? (I will finish this if anyone >expresses any interest! Probably only me and Rosie O'Donnell >totally love this stuff to death!)

I am searching for information on Joseph Hale who was born in Oneida Co. around 1795. He later moved to Cayuga Co. and married Sarah and had several children. I think that John and Alan were two of his children. In the 1855 census of Cayuga Co. it lists Louisa and Alzine as the two children at home and indicates he lived in this county for 30 yrs. Can anyone give me information about his parents? I've tried to find a death notice in Cayuga Co. for Joseph Hale who was 60 in 1855 but I have not been able to locate his burial place. He is not listed in the 1860 census for Cayuga Co. Any information would be appreciated! Joanne Hale Bartholomew

Hi List, I am new to this list and from the beginning of the Oneida site, I found the town of Massena mentioned. Massena was part of Oneida County until 1802, do I understand? Then broke away to be in St. Lawrence County. I have been hunting for several years for the parents or siblings of my ggg grandfather, who was George B. Nelson, born 12 Sept. 1804 in Massena. His mother's maiden name was Boynton from VT. Father was from NY also. That is all I know. Would anyone be able to look in the Census records for around 1800 and 1810 to let me know if there were any Nelsons there at the time. Would be ever so grateful. Priscilla Varney, Waterville, Me.

I am searching for parents of Howard Page. He have used the name Marion H. Paige, who lived in Oneida County. He was born abt. 1827, and was living in Herkimer County in 1850. Does anyone have access to an Oneida census prior to 1850 and after 1827 that can check for a Paige or Page family for me? Is anyone else searching for Page family members in Oneida? Thanks in advance, Pat MacEachern