Julie, Clark Mills is in the Town of Kirkland, Oneida County, NY , zip code 13321. It is near Clinton, NY, the only incorporated municipality in thr Town of Kirkland. Phil. Munson

Was there or is there a Clark Mills, NY? I can not find it on an atlas. I am sending this to the Gen-NYS list too so I apologize if some of you get duplicate messages. Thank you for reading this, Julie St. David, AZ bevegan@mindspring.com Researching Floyd, Pillmore, Olney, Woodruff, King and more in New York State.

There is a Clark Mills. The county map shows it just west of Utica, zip 13321, post office boxes only. Intersecting roads are Clinton(32) Main st, Westmoreland. It is several miles north of the village of Clinton.Looks like best access is west on rt.5 from Utica and North on rte 32, or Westmoreland from nw Utica. Hope this helps. Dave Rafferty

I'm looking for information on John William CRAY, Addie HICKS CRAY and Henry James CRAY from Marshall, New York. Henry was born abt. 1867. Is there anyone that would be willing to look up Henry's birth for me? I live in Iowa and there is no chance that I'll get to New York. I will gladly take any information on any CRAY at this point. Thank You, Donna

Hi all, I am new to this particular list, so I thought I would put my surname interest out there. I am interested in finding out more information on my great great grandmother and her siblings, parents, etc. Her name was Rhoda A. Petteys. She was born December 20, 1844 in Oneida County. In May of 1865, she married Capt. Israel G. Heaps in Annawan, Henry County, Illinois. What I know is that her siblings (to the best of my knowledge) were George, Sarah, and John H. I am not sure where in New York it was that Sarah, John and George were born. I know that their father was Hiram Petteys, born April 18, 1805 in Charleston, Montgomery County, New York and that he married Susan Brand on October 10, 1828 somewhere in New York. Hiram was said to be a minister in the Christian Church. Thanks in advance for the help! Siobhan Richardson Kimminau Omaha, NE

Is anyone researching the name WHEELER? Given names: Joseph, Sam, Joan, Charlotte, Salome, who are all children of Daniel WHEELER (b. 29 Sep 1798 in Camden, MA) and Sophronia BRYAN. Also Isaac WHEELER (father of the above Daniel) whose children were Daniel, Charles, Samuel, Isaac, Joseph, Occamen, Russell & Betsey. Isaac was married to a woman named Letitia in 1831, but I am not certain this was the mother of his children. She may have been his second wife. Any insight would help. Kathy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: NYONEIDA-D-request@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: NYONEIDA-D@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 5:35 PM Subject: NYONEIDA-D Digest V99 #263

I am trying to figure out the COMBS family that lived in Trenton. My ancestor in Fanny Combs. I believe she may have had a sister Rhoda. Both b. 1780's in CT. One or both married in Oneida in early 1800's. I see living in Oneida: Solomon, John and Oliver. Does anyone have any source that might help with their origin. Thanks, Christina Ninah@ix.netcom.com http://pw1.netcom.com/~ninah/ninah.htm

Looking for information on descendants of William McIncrow, died Utica before 1865, and his wife, Maria Thornbury McIncrow, born 1821 Halifax NS; died Utica 1889. Walt Grand Island, NY

Where is the digest? ----- Original Message ----- From: <NYONEIDA-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <NYONEIDA-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 9:59 AM Subject: NYONEIDA-D Digest V99 #261

I just wanted to thank everyone that responded to my question about Evergreen Cemetery. I had so many responses, it was great. This is a great list. Thanks. Debbie

I might be able to help. What city is Evergreen located in. Christine > Hi, I just found one of my ancestors listed the the fabulous cemetey > pages on the Oneida Co., page. His name was John H. Butler, buried in > the Evergreen cemetery. > Does anyone know how I can reach the person in charge of the cemetery, I > would like to see what other information is available. > > Thanks for you help. > > Debbie

From: History of Oneida County, NY with Illus & Biog. Sketches, 1667- 1878, Evarts & Farris, Philadelphia,page 438: About 1800, Manning Barnes came to this town from the State of Connecticut, and located where the village of West Camden now stands. He built a log house on the site of the present hotel at the place, and a frame part afterwards added is now a portion of the hotel. Some time after he settled, having been obliged to keep persons overnight who were on their way north and nortwest ( into Jefferson and other counties), he erected a sign, and made a business of tavern-keeping for many years. Mr. Barnes was accompanied to this town by his brothers, Whiting and Lyman. They selected land upon which to locate, and afterwards moved in the family of their father, Zopher Barnes. he other sons were Zopher, Street, and Pliny Barnes. Whiting Barnes settled on the farm now owned by A. Barnes, westward of West Camden. I don't see anything about the youngest Zopher. Hope this helps. Kathy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: Bird735@aol.com <Bird735@aol.com> To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 6:02 AM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] zopher barnes? >can anyone give me any information on zopher barnes?there are three zophers' >one born in 1753, in CT., one in 1790 in CT., one in 1820 in camden,NY. my >information is that the oldest zopher was brought to east camden by his son, >manning barnes.his other sons were zopher, street, and whiting. i believe >whiting was the father of the youngest zopher. > thanx, > louis bird > >______________________________

Hi, I just found one of my ancestors listed the the fabulous cemetey pages on the Oneida Co., page. His name was John H. Butler, buried in the Evergreen cemetery. Does anyone know how I can reach the person in charge of the cemetery, I would like to see what other information is available. Thanks for you help. Debbie

This person's attitude was really a shame. What's the harm in letting someone access to a cemetery? As long as the person isn't trampling through and destroying the area (the owner of the property could escort the visitor) I just don't see any harm. But then, I don't have a cemetery on my property... We had a lovely experience when my husband and I were in New Hampshire a couple of years ago. There exists a family cemetery that pertains to my husband's family, and it's on private property, although we didn't know it. It was along a public road and we just didn't stop to think it might be private property. Anyway, at some point, the owner of the property noticed us and came out and introduced himself. We had a nice chat about family history (it turns out he's the direct decendant of the Dudleys and there's a trust of some kind for the upkeep of the cemetery), we exchanged addresses and phone numbers, and my husband and this "cousin" have kept in touch on and off ever since. They exchanged family data, brought each other up-to-date on their own branches of the family, etc. It was a really mutually beneficial visit... Too bad not all people are open-minded enough to see this... Mary

can anyone give me any information on zopher barnes?there are three zophers' one born in 1753, in CT., one in 1790 in CT., one in 1820 in camden,NY. my information is that the oldest zopher was brought to east camden by his son, manning barnes.his other sons were zopher, street, and whiting. i believe whiting was the father of the youngest zopher. thanx, louis bird

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In a message dated 11/30/1999 10:04:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, CCarman114@aol.com writes: << I would think that most states give citizens access to graveyards on private property >> http://www.interment.net/us/ I am not sure if this URL covers all private cemeteries but it does cover a lot of them. It has listings for all the U.S. Arny Robinson

Hello: I remember going to the Utica Club Brewery many times as a college student in Utica. It was off Rte. 5 on the north side of town. Schultz and Duley were the two mugs - we don't remember the song. There was also a "keystone cop" type character and a little girl with a shamrock on her dress. The current name of the brewery should be F X Matt, unless it has been bought out recently. Hope this helps. There is a bed and breakfast inn in Ashville, NC called the Cladaugh that has original Schultz and Duley mugs - the owners moved there from Utica area a few years ago. If you double check the internet for the inn, they might be able to help you. jane@globalaccess-inc.com NYONEIDA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > NYONEIDA-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 256 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [NYONEIDA-L] Oneida Seminary [chris benson <makettle@dreamscape.] > #2 [NYONEIDA-L] Census [Priscilla Varney <pvarney@mint.net] > #3 [NYONEIDA-L] Re: Joseph Hale ["Joanne Bartholomew" <jbarth543@sh] > #4 [NYONEIDA-L] Howard Page or Marion [PMACEACHER@aol.com] > #5 [NYONEIDA-L] Utica Brewery/ies [C M Strong <cmstrong@mindspring.co] > #6 [NYONEIDA-L] Richard CHAPEL [Martin W Beerman <mwbeerman@home.c] > #7 Re: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica Brewery/ies ["Broneske" <unicorn@softcom.net>] > #8 Re: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica Brewery/ies [Eden2001@aol.com] > #9 Re: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica Brewery/ies [Leonard Brower <w2hax@sunline.net>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from NYONEIDA-D, send a message to > > NYONEIDA-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > Visit the ONEIDA Co Surname Page at > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > > Contact the listower at judjack@rocketmail.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Oneida Seminary > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:22:53 -0500 > From: chris benson <makettle@dreamscape.com> > To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com > > I have found reference to an Oneida Academy later being called the Oneida Institute > located in Whitesboro, for the preparation of poor young men in the ministry and was > started by George Washington Gale around the early 1800's. > This was later called the Whitestown Seminary. This was a church-backed school, > established by the Presbyterians in 1827. The Free- will Baptists took over in the mid > 1840's, closing in the 1880's. > Chris > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me where the Oneida Seminary was located (1860s), what > > kind of school it was, does it still exist, are there any > > student/faculty records remaining??? > > Thanks, > > Ken > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Census > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:38:00 -0500 > From: Priscilla Varney <pvarney@mint.net> > To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi List, > > I am new to this list and from the beginning of the Oneida site, I found > the town of Massena mentioned. Massena was part of Oneida County until > 1802, do I understand? Then broke away to be in St. Lawrence County. > > I have been hunting for several years for the parents or siblings of my > ggg grandfather, who was George B. Nelson, born 12 Sept. 1804 in > Massena. His mother's maiden name was Boynton from VT. Father was from > NY also. That is all I know. > > Would anyone be able to look in the Census records for around 1800 and > 1810 to let me know if there were any Nelsons there at the time. > > Would be ever so grateful. > > Priscilla Varney, Waterville, Me. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Re: Joseph Hale > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:14:36 -0500 > From: "Joanne Bartholomew" <jbarth543@shenango.org> > To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com > > I am searching for information on Joseph Hale who was born in Oneida Co. around 1795. He later moved to Cayuga Co. and married Sarah and had several children. I think that John and Alan were two of his children. In the 1855 census of Cayuga Co. it lists Louisa and Alzine as the two children at home and indicates he lived in this county for 30 yrs. Can anyone give me information about his parents? I've tried to find a death notice in Cayuga Co. for Joseph Hale who was 60 in 1855 but I have not been able to locate his burial place. He is not listed in the 1860 census for Cayuga Co. Any information would be appreciated! Joanne Hale Bartholomew > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Howard Page or Marion H. Paige > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:00:42 EST > From: PMACEACHER@aol.com > To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com > > I am searching for parents of Howard Page. He have used the name Marion H. > Paige, who lived in Oneida County. He was born abt. 1827, and was living in > Herkimer County in 1850. Does anyone have access to an Oneida census prior > to 1850 and after 1827 that can check for a Paige or Page family for me? Is > anyone else searching for Page family members in Oneida? Thanks in advance, > Pat MacEachern > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica Brewery/ies > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:54:55 -0500 > From: C M Strong <cmstrong@mindspring.com> > To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com > > Does anyone remember the name of the brewery that produced Utica > Club beer and ale? It does not still exist does it? > > Can anyone still sing the jungle, sung by two beer steins [whose > names you can find at the very bottom of this post -- this is a > memory test, you see :-)] that began "Oh, brew me no brew with > artificial bubbles ........" ?? (I will finish this if anyone > expresses any interest! Probably only me and Rosie O'Donnell > totally love this stuff to death!) > > Thanks! > Marsha Strong > Gainesville, FL > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > "Steins" names are Shultz and Dooley! > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Richard CHAPEL > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:46:14 -0600 > From: Martin W Beerman <mwbeerman@home.com> > To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com > > Seeking information/ancestry of Richard CHAPEL, listed as a landowner in > Floyd in 1814. Is he father of Elizabeth CHAPEL, who married Nathaniel > BLACKMAN prior to birth of first child, Sarah Ann BLACKMAN, Aug. 13, > 1830? > > The 1835 Floyd census shows an "S. Chapel." Is this Richard's widow? > > Thanks! > > M.W. Beerman > Omaha, NE > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica Brewery/ies > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:10:32 -0800 > From: "Broneske" <unicorn@softcom.net> > To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com > > I always knew it as the "Utica Brewery". I don't know if it is still there > now, but it was in the early 1980s. I had a girlfriend who used to like to > go on the tour to get the free beer at the end. She went to college in > Utica and she would go on the tour like 2-3 times a week and change her > appearance so no one would recognize her!!! LOL! > > | > | > | Joan Broneske > \|/ unicorn@softcom.net > /|\ > //|\\ > > -----Original Message----- > From: C M Strong <cmstrong@mindspring.com> > To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 4:57 PM > Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica Brewery/ies > > >Does anyone remember the name of the brewery that produced Utica > >Club beer and ale? It does not still exist does it? > > > >Can anyone still sing the jungle, sung by two beer steins [whose > >names you can find at the very bottom of this post -- this is a > >memory test, you see :-)] that began "Oh, brew me no brew with > >artificial bubbles ........" ?? (I will finish this if anyone > >expresses any interest! Probably only me and Rosie O'Donnell > >totally love this stuff to death!) > > > >Thanks! > >Marsha Strong > >Gainesville, FL > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >"Steins" names are Shultz and Dooley! > > > > > >==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > >Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > >Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > >List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > >Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica Brewery/ies > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:26:48 EST > From: Eden2001@aol.com > To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com > > In a message dated 11/29/99 8:02:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cmstrong@mindspring.com writes: > > > Does anyone remember the name of the brewery that produced Utica > > Club beer and ale? It does not still exist does it? > > Hi Marsha, > Your letter really brought back a lot of memories! Utica Club had some of the > best commercials on t.v. when I was a kid ( 41 now ). I went to school with > two of the Matt kids. Oh yeah..The name of the Brewery was F. X. Matt Brewing > Co or Berwery. I think it just goes by Matts brewery or Brewing Co now. They > make Saranac Ales amongst other things. They are still going strong as far as > I know. > > I would love to know the rest of the words to the jingle too, so go ahead and > share them! > I wish I could remember the names of those silly steins..one was Dooley I > think. My brother has a set of them in Houston. > > Thanks for writing about Utica Club. ( later became Matt's ...same family ). > The F was for Francis..the X was for Xavier. > > Jan Hayden > Atlanta,Ga > > Ps I grew up in New Hartford, NY..The Matt kids went to school there. > > > >Can anyone still sing the jungle, sung by two beer steins [whose > >names you can find at the very bottom of this post -- this is a > >memory test, you see :-)] that began "Oh, brew me no brew with > >artificial bubbles ........" ?? (I will finish this if anyone > >expresses any interest! Probably only me and Rosie O'Donnell > >totally love this stuff to death!) > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica Brewery/ies > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:15:02 -0500 > From: Leonard Brower <w2hax@sunline.net> > To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com > > I believe the original name of the brewery that made Utica Club beers > was the West End Brewery, and evolved into the Matts Brewery. > The name of the other stein was Schultzie. > Another well known brewery, in the Utica area, was the Fort Schuyler > Brewery. > LRB > > Eden2001@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 11/29/99 8:02:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > cmstrong@mindspring.com writes: > > > > > Does anyone remember the name of the brewery that produced Utica > > > Club beer and ale? It does not still exist does it? > > > > Hi Marsha, > > Your letter really brought back a lot of memories! Utica Club had some of the > > best commercials on t.v. when I was a kid ( 41 now ). I went to school with > > two of the Matt kids. Oh yeah..The name of the Brewery was F. X. Matt Brewing > > Co or Berwery. I think it just goes by Matts brewery or Brewing Co now. They > > make Saranac Ales amongst other things. They are still going strong as far as > > I know. > > > > I would love to know the rest of the words to the jingle too, so go ahead and > > share them! > > I wish I could remember the names of those silly steins..one was Dooley I > > think. My brother has a set of them in Houston. > > > > Thanks for writing about Utica Club. ( later became Matt's ...same family ). > > The F was for Francis..the X was for Xavier. > > > > Jan Hayden > > Atlanta,Ga > > > > Ps I grew up in New Hartford, NY..The Matt kids went to school there. > > > > > > >Can anyone still sing the jungle, sung by two beer steins [whose > > >names you can find at the very bottom of this post -- this is a > > >memory test, you see :-)] that began "Oh, brew me no brew with > > >artificial bubbles ........" ?? (I will finish this if anyone > > >expresses any interest! Probably only me and Rosie O'Donnell > > >totally love this stuff to death!) > > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/

Hi, I would think that most states give citizens access to graveyards on private property. A good source to find out would be either the state library or the legislative services bureau. (Most states have one or both.) I work for the Maryland Legislative Services Library and we get questions like that all the time from citizens. They are usually a good, free source to check laws and regulations. And most have Web pages. It is certainly a shame to travel all that way to be denied access. Maybe a copy of the law or regulation will not help if someone doesn't want you on their property but it might also be worth a try. Carol

I recently had a similar experience at a cemetery in Oswego Co., NY that was on private land. I went to the county clerks office and was told that New York has a law/regulation that allows access to cemeteries on private land and if the owner wants to he can have the town/county/state maintain the cemetery for him. Richard A. Howlett > -----Original Message----- > From: Harlow Chandler [mailto:chandler@firstva.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 9:18 AM > To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYONEIDA-L] A shared experiance... > > > > It just so happened the cemetery > > in question is located in the back yard of this particular > residence. Both > > before, and following my introducing myself and explaining my > interest in > > this cemetery I was told, in a rather pointed, direct and > mildly venomous > > fashion that the cemetery was "on private property", "hers", and that I > > would not be allowed acess. > > This caught my attention because a similar question was addressed > on another > list, and it was determined that the law in that state (MO) > required "reasonable > access" to cemeteries on private property. I just spent about 90 minutes > combing through NY Code and using various law search engines as > well as standard > engines such as Dogpile and Google, and found nothing about this sort of > situation. Perhaps there is a lawyer on the list or somone with > better search > skills than mine who could clarify what rights belong to the > public and how they > are balanced against private property rights in such cases. > It does seem as though Erwin encountered someone who might not be > moved--at > least not in a helpful direction--by reference to the law, and it > is true that > private property owners do have legitimate concerns about their liability > exposure, etc., when people enter their property, and of course > we should treat > property owners with the consideration we would want for > ourselves (as Erwin > clearly did). But does anyone know if it is legal in NY to bar > access to a > cemetery on private property? >