I am very interested in corresponding with the person who posted the Parker Family Bible. I believe I have a connection to Mary Pratt who married James Parker.

Dear list members; Does anyone know anything about Morris J. MILLER or his son John Bleeker MILLER? Time frame would be 1800-1850's or so. I saw mention that Morris MILLER was an early settler of Oneida. I have been searching for the parents of Walter MILLER, found as a married man in Cattaraugus Co by 1830. He m Polly SALISBURY in 1823, dau of Richard SALISBURY and Prudence UNKNOWN who had lived in Oneida Co, probably cir 1800 or a little later. Walter and Polly named a son Morris R., an unusual name, and I feel there is probably some connection to Morris J. MILLER of Oneida My Walter MILLER seems to also have some connection to Nancy ?MILLER REYNOLDS, probable daughter of Philanda MILLER. Anyone have any info on any of these people? Thanks for your time, Ida B. WIESE Minnesota

On the various lists I attend there have been a lot of inquiries regarding the location of places. It is clear that many people are not aware of the wonderful resources available at their fingertips through their home computer. For those of you without good maps in the glove compartment or in the kitchen drawer, try some of the following links to locate those usual and unusual place names: order incredibly detailed atlases of any state (I don't leave home without my Delorme!): http://www.delorme.com/atlases/newyork.htm Geographic names and places finder: http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html Address finders: http://www.concierge.com/cgi-bin/maps.cgi?link=find http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py Fro more detailed topographic quadrangle maps (roads, rivers, hills, etc.): http://www.topozone.com/find.asp http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/gis/repository/usgsdrg.htm http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/gis/repository/quadndx1.htm http://cugir.mannlib.cornell.edu/browse_lis/quad_list.html Historic maps of New York State: http://www.sunysb.edu/libmap/nypath1.htm http://users.erols.com/weiskotten/illustrations&maps.html There are hundreds more sites. Dan W.

Hi, Took a look at your request about the name Dunn. I have a Dunn connection in my family tree my Grandfather's (Edward Gouchie) sister Maggie Gouchie was married to a Mortimer Dunn. Here is what I have on both: Mortimer Dunn Born 1882 Died 1949 in Cleveland, New York (on Lake Oneida). Maggie Gouchie Born 1868 in Massachusetts died 1950 in Cleveland, New York. I also have the following information from a Cleveland, New York city directory dated 1899 that I found on the web: (Cleveland is in Oswego County). 20 Center Street (the street where the family lived) Charles Dunn, Glass worker. Att. Ep. ch. A. Mary Dunn. Lut. ch. William G. E. Dunn. Ep. S.S. Lelia T. Dunn. Ep. S.S. English and German 2 Att. Ep. S.S. The following was taken from a cemetery that is located in Cleveland: Dunn, Ann (1830-1898) Dunn, Charles (ABT. 1860-6 Feb 1861) Dunn, Frances (-UNKNOWN) Dunn, John F. (ABT. 1816-20 Dec 1881) Dunn, Margaret (7 Aug 1868-6 Jan 1940) Dunn, Margaret (ABT. Jun 1859-15 Jan 1862) Dunn, Margaret Gouchie (1868-1950) Dunn, Margaret Marie (3 Nov 1894-28 Oct 1946) Dunn, Matthew Dunn, Matthew (1868-1894) Dunn, Mortimer (1892-1949) Dunn, Stella K. (-UNKNOWN) Dunn, William B. (-4 Jul 1934) Dunn, William B. (1861-1920) Hope some of this helps. Chuck R. ceetee@erols.com - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Michnted@aol.com wrote: > Hi! I am very excited! We received the death cert. for our ggggrandmother > Emily Elvira Blake (maiden name DUNN) Hopefully someone else will have these > people in their tree... > > William Dunn born in NYS married Elvira Young born in NYS but the town looks > like it may be Stuben? Thats what it looks like to me. > They had Emily Elvira Dunn born in Rome, NY (Oneida county) on April 1, 1850. > She married John Blake Dec. 1869 in Oneida County. Emily died on April 20, > 1925 and is buried in Verona Cemetery in Verona , Oneida, NY. > > I would love to share info with anyone! I have info on Emily and Johns > children but nothing on William and Elvira Dunn. Any help is greatly > appreciated! > > Thank you!! > > Michele R. Lockwood > Researching: B.L.A.K.E, B.U.R.G.E.R, B.U.R.L.E.Y, C.H.U.R.C.H, C.O.L.O.N, > D.A.V.I.S, D.O.W.N.S, G.R.A.N.T, H.U.L.C.E/H.U.L.S.E, I.V.E.Y,J.A.C.O.B.Y, > K.I.N.G, L.I.P.A.R.O.T.I / L.I.P.E.R.U.O.T.E, L.O.C.K.W.O.O.D, N.E.L.S.O.N, > N.E.W.E.L.L, P.E.S.C.E / P.E.S.C.E.A / P.E.S.C.O, R.A.N.D.A.L.L, R.I.D.E.R, > T.R.A.V.I.S.I.O / T.R.O.I.S.E > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/

HI, I was raised not to far from Vienna , New York. In fact my father was the Town Clerk for the Township of Vienna for a few years. We lived in North Bay which is just a few miles down Rt 49 from Vienna. If you closed your eyes for a few seconds you would pass right through and miss Vienna on your way to Rome or Camden. One of my classmates (Camden Central school Class of 57) was named Palmer and I think she lived in Vienna. There were at least two or three families named Palmer in the general area. Some farming still goes on in the area and of course Oneida Lake and the Erie Canal brought a lot of activity to the area. Not to far from Vienna the glass industry flourished in Cleveland , New York which is located right on the Lake. Chuck R. ceetee@erols.com zigzag wrote: > Can't find this town on the map. Is there someone out there that knows > something about the above town. Had a 4xggrandfather that died there in > 1821. His name was Solomon Palmer who was married to Susan Eldridge. > Susan was from RI, died in Utica....What would have brought Solomon (b. > Ct.) and Susan to this area? Farming? Industry? Family? Any help? > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/

If you still have the message I wrote about the NYS township map available at the Library of Congress website you can go there and spot the Town of Vienna in yellow above the east end of Oneida Lake, and the community of Vienna which is noted on it. Mary H

If anyone wishes to cut & paste the following for another posting please feel free to do so. My e-mail skills are limited. >From the book "New York State and its Communities by Wallace E. Lamb". I haven't finished reading the book. "The knight in shining armor who led the battle for canals was DeWitt Clinton. ...... Actual work in digging the Erie Canal was begun on July 4, 1817, and the Champlain Canal was begun during the same year. The Champlain Canal was completed first. It extended from Whitehall at the southern end of Lake Champlain to Waterford on the Hudson, and it was first opened October 8, 1823. It was sixty-four miles long, with forty-six miles of man-made waterway, while the remainder was made up of waterways already existing, especially the Hudson. Since that time several improvements have been made in this water route. .... In 1819 the first boat on the Erie Canal went from Rome to Utica. By 1823 the canal was completed all the way from the Hudson to the Genesee River. By 1825 there was a continuous waterway extending entirely across the state. "Clinton's big ditch," as it was called by his political rivals, was 363 miles long. Its total cost was over $7,000,000, an enormous sum fo! r those days." (I have seen mention of a calculator to convert values - could someone do that for us ? Just imagine Seven Million in those days) "On October 26,1825, a fleet of boats carrying Governor Clinton and many other important people entered the Erie Canal at Buffalo to tour the state in triumph. The news was relayed from one end of New York to the other in ninety minutes by the boom of a cannon. Clinton's boat was drawn by four fine gray horses. Another boat had on board two Indian boys and a large number of animals from the West, including a bear, two fawns, two eagles, and several fish. The entire journey was a series of celebrations, the population rushing to the canal to watch this strange procession pass through their fields and villages." (And in Florida they view men going off into space) "On November fourth occurred the "Marriage of the Waters," when DeWitt Clinton poured a keg of Lake Erie water into the Atlantic. At the same time, water from fourteen great rivers in Asia, Africa, Europe, South America, and North America was emptied into New York Bay. A procession five miles long marched through the city streets. Well might the people celebrate, for this was the dawn of a new day for our state." Can we assume that those who migrated via boat settled in the towns along the canal AND that those who migrated via oxen or horses and wagon traveled along the waterway and migrated inland. My descendants came from New York to Albany and then to Camden, NY. Just a thought. How did one hear about the good areas to settle in? I thought this was a story worth telling/sharing! Florence Secor

My New York atlas shows Vienna, NY, to be about two miles northeast of Oneida Lake, and about three miles north of where the Erie Canal meets the lake. I suspect that many people who relocated from New England to that area may have sought work on the construction of the Erie Canal, or in commerce along the canal, which served as the major water route from New York City to the Great Lakes. Agricultural products (and people) began to move through the canal as soon as it was opened. I had some ancestors from the Mass./Connecticut area, and their relatives originally from Rhode Island, who moved to Cambria, Niagara County, in the early 1820s and ended up back in Utica by 1830. Perhaps Utica had more jobs once construction on the canal was completed. Joanne Garland (Utica native in Massachusetts) -----Original Message----- From: zigzag <zigzag@superlink.net> To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 8:47 PM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Vienna, NY >Can't find this town on the map. Is there someone out there that knows >something about the above town. Had a 4xggrandfather that died there in >1821. His name was Solomon Palmer who was married to Susan Eldridge. >Susan was from RI, died in Utica....What would have brought Solomon (b. >Ct.) and Susan to this area? Farming? Industry? Family? Any help? >

Can't find this town on the map. Is there someone out there that knows something about the above town. Had a 4xggrandfather that died there in 1821. His name was Solomon Palmer who was married to Susan Eldridge. Susan was from RI, died in Utica....What would have brought Solomon (b. Ct.) and Susan to this area? Farming? Industry? Family? Any help?

Rick Not General Webb see http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/wilmurt.html for Town of Webb info Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Merrill <rmerrill@sugar.ultranet.com> To: <NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [NYONEIDA-L] Town of Webb > Mary, thanks for the pointer to the RR maps. > > I believe the Town of WEBB is named after General Webb who also figured > in the revolutionary war. I think he is an ancestor or a cousin. Does anyone > have evidence of the namesake for the Town of WEBB and the geneaology of > the general? > > Thanks, > > Rick > Merrill

Hello again Marsha, Well the list has been kind of quiet lately, glad to see Florence and Michelle stir it up a bit. > Well the spelling is STEUBEN (right, everyone?) <<<Yes, that's right > my 7th grade NYS history correctly, it was Baron von Steuben and he > was a general in the Revolutionary War, a German mercenary (?) -- > I can't quite remember. <<Not really a mercenary but he had Prussian military training and was hired by Washington to teach the American army military disipline. After the war land was rewarded to the veterans and someone said "lets give this rocky hill to Steuben". So the general came here and saw what he had gotten and promptly started selling it to our New England ancestors (including my g-g-grandfather) and later the Welsh migrated here and populated the area. Steuben lived in the town off and on and died here. The memorial is his burial spot. I just read a good web site about the General but can't recall off hand where I found it. Will post it if I stumble on it again. The Boonville fair is still alive and well Marsha. Neal

Mary, thanks for the pointer to the RR maps. I believe the Town of WEBB is named after General Webb who also figured in the revolutionary war. I think he is an ancestor or a cousin. Does anyone have evidence of the namesake for the Town of WEBB and the geneaology of the general? Thanks, Rick Merrill Mary H wrote: > If you are a map person check out: > > Tunison's railroad, distance, and township map of New York from latest > surveys. > > It is located at the Library of Congress American Memory web site. > > Go to: > > http://www.loc.gov > > Choose the "American Memory: Link > > Enter the American Memory section > > "Collection Finder" > > "Maps" (in box on right) > > In the searchbox enter the word "Tunison" > > This will bring you to > > Tunison's railroad, distance, and township map of New York from latest > surveys. (1898) > > A small map will appear. Click on it. What you do then may vary according > to your equipment. I choose 640x480 and the second dot after "Zoom In", then > click on the center of Oneida County. The map will scroll if you re-click to > adjust the map to the area you wish to view. The Town of Rome is in Green on > this map, slightly east of Oneida Lake. When Rome incorporated as a city, it > removed itself from the Town of Rome, governmentally speaking, and records > there would be kept by the City of Rome rather than the Town of Rome. Most > of these townships still exist today, with a few exceptions. Old Forge used > to be in the Town of Wilmurt, but almost all of Wilmurt became the Town of > Webb, It's the largest township in New York State. > > There are many wonderful maps available through this site. Spend some time > browsing from the links on the page whose address I gave above. If you have > enough hard drive space, a fair amount of memory, and a fast modem I > recommend you download the viewer, and the maps which you like to your > computer. Then you can examine them off-line at your leisure. It is a better > way to view them. If you click on the "Panoramic Maps" link instead of > searching for "Tunison" there are some of the panoramic maps that were once > popular. I have been able to identify my great-grandfather's house in Utica > on one of them, and I know there is one for Rome, too. > > The software to view these maps can be downloaded free, along with the maps, > to your computer. It's great for offline browsing and printing of segments > of maps which you like. Beware, though, you will need substantial hard drive > space to save these maps. They are large files. > > I haven't been to the Blue Mountain Museum for quite a while, but I would > bet that the logging film mentioned is an interview with Rev. Reed, who > wrote a book called "Lumberjack Sky Pilot" around 1965. I believe he used to > go from logging camp to logging camp ministering to the loggers. He had a > movie camera, and took a lot of wonderful footage which he narrated for a > Watertown, NY TV show called "Cabin Country" quite a while ago. Now days the > area PBS stations bring it out for their fundraising drives 4 times a year. > It is very popular. I just recorded it from the Syracuse station a week ago. > A copy of the film was free with a rather large pledge. I don't know if it's > for sale otherwise, but the Syracuse PBS Station, WCNY, used to have a store > in Carousel Mall which would be a place I'd look to start. It is a very > remarkable program. > > Mary H > maryh@telenet.net > ______________________ > > PS Florence: Any relation to John? > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/

In Utica there is a fine statue of Baron Willhelm Von Stuben (III?). He was General Washington's #1 man in charge of recruitment and training. C M Strong wrote: > Well the spelling is STEUBEN (right, everyone?) and, if I remember > my 7th grade NYS history correctly, it was Baron von Steuben and he > was a general in the Revolutionary War, a German mercenary (?) -- > > ... > Florence, I also enjoyed your contributions about Old Forge and the > area, as my family spent a couple of weeks in the Adirondacks > every summer. I think I swam in every one of the 8 lakes, but > most Eighth Lake! I also remember a wonderful restaurant there > called the Knotty Pine that had amazing fish fries every Friday - Yes, I remember the Knotty Pine - my grandfather loved to take us there! > > I think, alas, it is no longer there. I also have very fond memories > of the annual BOONVILLE FAIR, which was a huge deal in its day > I enjoyed the fair for many years and I've taken my children to the Boonville fair! (I live near Boston, MA). > So never apologize for sparking a good discussion, Michele! See > how much some of us really enjoyed it?!! > Absolutely! Rick Merrill

I think this has been a good exercise for all of us. I referred to my AAA Atlas Road Map plus the Adirondack Region Map and no "Steuben", which proves not every hamlet/town/village is on the map. In the future, those of us who read the msgs will know where Steuben is. Florence Secor -----Original Message----- From: MissNH37@aol.com <MissNH37@aol.com> To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 6:37 AM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Towns, Cities, Villages, Settlements... >Gee, and all I wanted to do was let it be known that there was a place in >Oneida Co. called Stueben. All the mail, whew... But it has been fun! > >Norma > > >==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== >Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com >Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html >List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html >Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ > > >

Michelle, I learned a bit as a result of your posting. So thank you. Florence @ Henderson, NY with ancestors, to make it brief, in the Greater Camden, NY area. -----Original Message----- From: Michnted@aol.com <Michnted@aol.com> To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 6:55 AM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Stueben..sorry folks! >Hi everyone..hope noone is upset by the mail generated from my original post! >Truthfully, I was hoping someone would have a Dunn connection! Thanks for all >the help with Stueben...I figured it must be a town within Oneida and not the >county <assuming I read the spelling right to begin with!!> Thanks again! >This has been educational and sort of "proves" oral family history when they >said Dunns have been in Oneida county all through the 1800's... >Thanks agaiN! >M.ichele L.ockwood > > >==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== >Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com >For List Rules visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006 click on Mailing List >Visit the Oneida County Mailing List Surname Page at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006/oneida.html >Visit the Oneida Co NYGenWeb Page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida > >

>Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 06:48:14 -0800 (PST) >From: Michnted@aol.com > >Hi everyone..hope noone is upset by the mail generated from my original post! >Truthfully, I was hoping someone would have a Dunn connection! I agree with Florence -- don't be sorry; I thought it was a fun and interesting discussion and I enjoyed it!! (sorry, no Dunns popped out though and I don't have any either. >Thanks for all the help with Stueben...I figured it must be a town within Oneida >and not the county assuming I read the spelling right to begin with!! Well the spelling is STEUBEN (right, everyone?) and, if I remember my 7th grade NYS history correctly, it was Baron von Steuben and he was a general in the Revolutionary War, a German mercenary (?) -- I can't quite remember. But doed anyone know then if the memorial might be a famous battle that was fought there (the Battle of Steuben?? Sure doesn't sound familiar! *LOL*) or perhaps where von Steuben "lived" while he was here. Florence, I also enjoyed your contributions about Old Forge and the area, as my family spent a couple of weeks in the Adirondacks every summer. I think I swam in every one of the 8 lakes, but most Eighth Lake! I also remember a wonderful restaurant there called the Knotty Pine that had amazing fish fries every Friday - I think, alas, it is no longer there. I also have very fond memories of the annual BOONVILLE FAIR, which was a huge deal in its day (at least to me), second only to the State Fair in Syracuse I believe (and when I grew up, going to Syracuse was just too-too out of the question; it was a whole 60 miles away!) :-) So never apologize for sparking a good discussion, Michele! See how much some of us really enjoyed it?!! Marsha Strong Gainesville, FL

Yes, it has been a learning experience. Although I have only been to upstate NY once, and also Utica area, I have found it hard not to keep running into the Baron somewhere. Dave

NY State does not, as a rule, use townships as a designation for a political subdivision. One may speak of the Town of Rome which encompasses an area that in most states would be called a township. The City of Rome happens to be in the Town of Rome. There is a Town of Annsville, e.g. but no village or city of Annsville. In Annsville is located the village of Taberg. In the Town of Lee there is a small village called Lee Center. GMFreeman

If you are a map person check out: Tunison's railroad, distance, and township map of New York from latest surveys. It is located at the Library of Congress American Memory web site. Go to: http://www.loc.gov Choose the "American Memory: Link Enter the American Memory section "Collection Finder" "Maps" (in box on right) In the searchbox enter the word "Tunison" This will bring you to Tunison's railroad, distance, and township map of New York from latest surveys. (1898) A small map will appear. Click on it. What you do then may vary according to your equipment. I choose 640x480 and the second dot after "Zoom In", then click on the center of Oneida County. The map will scroll if you re-click to adjust the map to the area you wish to view. The Town of Rome is in Green on this map, slightly east of Oneida Lake. When Rome incorporated as a city, it removed itself from the Town of Rome, governmentally speaking, and records there would be kept by the City of Rome rather than the Town of Rome. Most of these townships still exist today, with a few exceptions. Old Forge used to be in the Town of Wilmurt, but almost all of Wilmurt became the Town of Webb, It's the largest township in New York State. There are many wonderful maps available through this site. Spend some time browsing from the links on the page whose address I gave above. If you have enough hard drive space, a fair amount of memory, and a fast modem I recommend you download the viewer, and the maps which you like to your computer. Then you can examine them off-line at your leisure. It is a better way to view them. If you click on the "Panoramic Maps" link instead of searching for "Tunison" there are some of the panoramic maps that were once popular. I have been able to identify my great-grandfather's house in Utica on one of them, and I know there is one for Rome, too. The software to view these maps can be downloaded free, along with the maps, to your computer. It's great for offline browsing and printing of segments of maps which you like. Beware, though, you will need substantial hard drive space to save these maps. They are large files. I haven't been to the Blue Mountain Museum for quite a while, but I would bet that the logging film mentioned is an interview with Rev. Reed, who wrote a book called "Lumberjack Sky Pilot" around 1965. I believe he used to go from logging camp to logging camp ministering to the loggers. He had a movie camera, and took a lot of wonderful footage which he narrated for a Watertown, NY TV show called "Cabin Country" quite a while ago. Now days the area PBS stations bring it out for their fundraising drives 4 times a year. It is very popular. I just recorded it from the Syracuse station a week ago. A copy of the film was free with a rather large pledge. I don't know if it's for sale otherwise, but the Syracuse PBS Station, WCNY, used to have a store in Carousel Mall which would be a place I'd look to start. It is a very remarkable program. Mary H maryh@telenet.net ______________________ PS Florence: Any relation to John?

Hi everyone..hope noone is upset by the mail generated from my original post! Truthfully, I was hoping someone would have a Dunn connection! Thanks for all the help with Stueben...I figured it must be a town within Oneida and not the county <assuming I read the spelling right to begin with!!> Thanks again! This has been educational and sort of "proves" oral family history when they said Dunns have been in Oneida county all through the 1800's... Thanks agaiN! M.ichele L.ockwood