Joanne Garland wrote about the changing boundaries of Paris: >These facts might help clarify early census records, especially the 1790 >census, which would have included this area in Herkimer County. But, ... No one but the Oneidas, Tucaroras, Stockbridge, Brothertowns, other communities of Indians, and a few white squatters or traders lived in most of that area until after 1792 or so. Clinton was settled in 1789, and people were starting to trickle into the New Military Tract (Onondaga County, etc.) but the vast Oneida Reservation was still very much intact and the Governor's 20 Towns were not yet sold or settled - leaving nearly all of present Madison County and much of western Oneida County uninhabited by whites. Has anyone ever tried to break down which people on the 1790 census were in what present counties / towns? I'm able to do this with some accuracy with the 1800 census of Cazenovia which covers an area now split into the present townships of Cazenovia, Fenner, Smithfield, Nelson, Sullivan, Stockbridge, Lenox, Lincoln, part of the City of Oneida, and the very northern portion of the Town of DeRuyter in Madison County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyccazen/Census/Cazenovia/1800Cazenovia.html Dan W. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyccazen/

MWalt, Yes this area of upstate NY was sparsely populated prior to 1770 but the great influx mostly from Mass. and Conn. began after the rev. The major populations centers then were the future Utica area, Deerfield (just north of Utica) and a few around the area of Fort Stanwix (Rome). Unless your ancestor had Palentine roots you should assume that they migrated here after 1770. Neal Carrier Original message from: MWalt28373@aol.com >Thanks, Judy, for the information on the towns in Oneida County; however, I'm >more interested in the earlier towns. My ggg grandfather was born in abt >1770. I noticed lately that Whitestown, March 7th, 1788 was named in honor >of Judge Hugh White, a first settler, May, 1784. I'm wondering if anyone was >in New York in 1770 or is it for sure that my ggg grandfather had to be born >in another state and later moved to NY. Does anyone know about this? Thanks >for any information you may be able to share to shed some light on this. > >mwalt28373@aol.com > >

Hi, I am trying to find information about the Wetmore family from Paris, NY. Elisha Wetmore b. 1768 Connecticut d. Aug 03, 1846 in Paris, NY Cynthia Guild Wetmore b. 1768 Connecticut d. 1848 ? They had 12 children, i am a descendant of their daughter Cynthia Wetmore b. Sept 1799 Herkimer (Grafenberg, I believe I have the wrong spelling) she married Daniel Driggs Nov 1825 then married Nathan Hatfield Nov 1829 ( My 2nd great grandfather born about 1796), don't know the location of either marriage I have been unable to find any information about Nathan, so I do not know what county he was from, but i know this was also his second marriage, he had two daughters from his first marriage, wife unknown. Nathan also had a brother William Hatfield that married Cynthia's sister Polly Wetmore in 1811 another brother Perkins Hatfield that married another of Cynthia's sisters Rhoda Wetmore in 1817 and a sister Polly Hatfield that married Cynthia's brother Elisha Wetmore in 1815 I have been unable to confirm that all the Hatfield's were siblings, but I know all the Wetmore's were siblings. Nathan and Cynthia moved to Ohio about 1833 I would appreciate any help in locating references for this time period Thank You Jean Rowcliffe ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

More on early town boundaries: I was intrigued by the following passage from the 1881 book, History of the Town of Paris by Henry C. Rogers. On page 55, Hon. Lorenzo Rouse writes: "...Paris was originally included in the town of Whitestown, then a part of Herkimer County. In 1792, the town of Paris was organized as a separate town, and included not only Kirkland and Marshall, but also the present towns of Sangerfield, Brookfield, Hamilton, Cazenovia and Sherburne. These five latter towns were taken off in 1795, and Kirkland, including Marshall, in 1827, leaving the town of Paris with nearly its present boundaries, the only change being the addition of a narrow strip from Kirkland, in 1839, to accommodate a few individuals." These facts might help clarify early census records, especially the 1790 census, which would have included this area in Herkimer County. Joanne Garland

A correspondent just sent me the following, which may be useful to some Oneida County researchers: Joanne Garland ...a chronology of the towns...and as >you will see, there were a lot of changes. which means that a census >showing someone in a particular town/city, and then in the next census >showing them in a different town/city..doesn't necessarily mean that >they had moved to a different city/town/village..but rather, that a new >town had been created/ceceded . > Chronology of the Towns >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >1795 Town of Brookfield formed from Town of Paris, Oneida County, > 5 March 1795 >1795 Town of Cazenovia formed from the Towns of Whitesboro and > Paris, Oneida County, 5 March 1795 >1795 Town of Hamilton formed from Town of Paris, Oneida County, > 5 March 1795 >1798 Town of DeRuyter formed from Town of Cazenovia, 15 February > 1798 >1807 Town of Eaton formed from Town of Hamilton, 7 February 1807 >1807 Town of Lebanon formed from Town of Hamilton, 7 February 1807 >1807 Town of Madison formed from Town of Hamilton, 7 February 1807 >1807 Town of Nelson formed from Town of Cazenovia, 13 March 1807 >1807 Town of Smithfield formed from Town of Cazenovia, 13 March 1807 >1809 Town of Lenox formed from Town of Sullivan, 3 March 1809 >1815 Town of Georgetown formed from Town of DeRuyter, 7 April 1815 >1823 Town of Fenner formed from Cazenovia & Smithfield, 22 April 1823 >1836 Town of Stockbridge formed from Towns of Vernon & Augusta, > Oneida County and Smithfield and Lenox, 20 May 1836 >1803 Town of Sullivan formed from Town of Cazenovia, 22 February 1803 >1896 Town of Lincoln formed from Town of Lenox, 18 May 1896 > >Good example would be: >Prior to March 5th 1795, Hamilton, Madison Cty did not exist. >Checking the Plat maps one can see that not only were new >towns created, but county lines were also changed. >SO, that the physical location of part of the Town of Paris, >Oneida County on March 6th 1785 was now..Village of Hamilton, >Madison Cty. >

Thanks, Judy, for the information on the towns in Oneida County; however, I'm more interested in the earlier towns. My ggg grandfather was born in abt 1770. I noticed lately that Whitestown, March 7th, 1788 was named in honor of Judge Hugh White, a first settler, May, 1784. I'm wondering if anyone was in New York in 1770 or is it for sure that my ggg grandfather had to be born in another state and later moved to NY. Does anyone know about this? Thanks for any information you may be able to share to shed some light on this. mwalt28373@aol.com

Rooters: The following is a posting to the newsletter of my local genealogical society and thought it might be of interest to the rest of you. As you know, 99% of the 1890 census was destroyed by fire. There is a project to publish a book listing all U.S. residents living at that time. This information will be furnished by descendants of those people. There is no charge for listing your ancestors and when permission is granted, contributors will be listed with the proper reference to their ancestor entries. Submission deadline is April 2000. The data will be published and sold at cost with copies going to the Library of Congress, Maine State Library, Maine State Historical Society and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Library. For submitting your ancestor's vital stats please use the following format: Head of Household-full name, age, date of birth, place of birth (include town-county-state), sex, race (W=white, C=colored, I=Indian, A=Asian). Spouse-full name, maiden name in ( )'s, age, date of birth, sex, race. Information source-list family Bible, family genealogy book, etc. Notes are optional. Some notes will be added, e.g., 1st or 2nd wife, children by which wife, if they died or got married in 1890 or additional surname spellings. NO TE: person who died before 1890 or was born after 1890 will be omitted from the book. Send your submission via Email to:<chinaDoll2@netscape.net> or mail to Agnela M. Foster, P.O.Box 2551, Waterville, ME 04903. Contributions are most welcome.

Already changed the link from other postings you did. It's at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/www.htm Thanks! Betty PS: When will you update the Alabama wills? Tons of ppl are asking.. "Inquiring minds want to know". :-)) >SAMPUBCO moved to new address and it's a new home all it's own. > >new home: >http://www.sampubco.com > >You will need to bookmark this site because the search engines >(altavista, dogpile, snap, etc) will not update their directories >for 4 to 8 weeks or longer. > >W. David Samuelsen >SAMPUBCO >Home of the Wills (probate, that is!) > > >==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== >Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com >Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html >List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html >Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ > >

SAMPUBCO moved to new address and it's a new home all it's own. new home: http://www.sampubco.com You will need to bookmark this site because the search engines (altavista, dogpile, snap, etc) will not update their directories for 4 to 8 weeks or longer. W. David Samuelsen SAMPUBCO Home of the Wills (probate, that is!)

I am looking for anyone working on the Russell Barber family wife Patience Keith/Leach Expecial interested in their daughter Emily. Happy Digging Catherine Leinbach

Recently added items: Warner Family Bible http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/bibles/warner.html Westmoreland Union (New) Cemetery (A-C) more coming soon http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/cemeteries/westmoreland/unionnew.html Deceased Members of the Oneida County Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/countydeaths/ochsmembdeaths.html Cheers! Betty McCulloch Oneida County, NY GenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ New York Cemetery List Project Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ New York Tombstone Transcription Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/newyork.html

Ben, Do you mean the one on West Thomas Street? I'm not familiar with a Thomas road in Lee, and the cemetery on W. Thomas Street is in the City of Rome but i'm not sure of its name. Do you know where in the cemetery the graves are located? Can it wait until spring as we have about 18" of snow on the ground now, hard wading through and if the stones are lying down, might be hard to find. If no one else does it before April email me again and I'll try to get your photos. On 13 Feb 00, at 14:52, Ben Hines wrote: > Is anyone able/willing to drive to Lee Center Cemetery on Thomas Road > in Lee and take some cemetery pictures for me? Digital is fine if > that is what you have, or i can send $$ for film if you have film. In > return I can do a lookup in any census if there is an index, or many > other records here at the LA Family History center (list at > http://www.lafhc.org/ ) > > The graves are: > > Cornish, Stephen, Revolutionary War, died Feb. 9, 1845, age 85 yrs > Cornish, Roxcinda, wife of Stephen Cornish, died July 28, 1833, age > 65 yrs 8 mos 13 dys > > Also, I am researching CORNISHes and BUTTONs in Oneida co, if anyone else is. > > Thanks! > > -Ben > > -- > <http://members.tripod.com/~tunnels/> > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ > Neal F. Carrier Holland Patent, NY email ncarrier@dreamscape.com web site www.dreamscape.com/ncarrier Listowner Carrier-Roots Mail List Rootsweb Sponsor www.rootsweb.com

Is anyone able/willing to drive to Lee Center Cemetery on Thomas Road in Lee and take some cemetery pictures for me? Digital is fine if that is what you have, or i can send $$ for film if you have film. In return I can do a lookup in any census if there is an index, or many other records here at the LA Family History center (list at http://www.lafhc.org/ ) The graves are: Cornish, Stephen, Revolutionary War, died Feb. 9, 1845, age 85 yrs Cornish, Roxcinda, wife of Stephen Cornish, died July 28, 1833, age 65 yrs 8 mos 13 dys Also, I am researching CORNISHes and BUTTONs in Oneida co, if anyone else is. Thanks! -Ben -- <http://members.tripod.com/~tunnels/>

Would anyone have any information on Eliphalet Hotchkiss? He is on the 1820 census for Vernon. I believe he moved there after the War of 1812 , and apparently passed away in 1825. I think he is a veteran. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Mahalo , Kevin

Is this part of Annesville? I have a Shalar Bartholomew and wondered if there was some connection. Probably early to mid 1800`s. Am also looking for information on Mungers. Pat Heisel

Hi Everyone, I am new to this list and would like to know if anyone is working on a Wilcox Family who is said to have been living in the Oneida area in 1810. I am looking for the parents of Lucinda Wilcox born May 13, 1810. Her father is said to be a Giles Wilcox, possible married a Johanna. I believe this family may be listed in Cutter's Western New York, VOL. 1 page 90. There I think it said they where from the Oneida Area. Children are listed as: Lucinda, Thomas, Liffit, Wilbur, Daniel and Samuel: Can anyone tell me the time period of this family? Every thing and anything will be greatly appreciated. Thank You for your time and Trouble. Karen krihwan@ncinter.net

Hello everyone .. I have received some new information from my father's cousin regarding my Mangan Family .... According to her, my g-grandfather Joseph Mangan was born in 1859 in Clayville, NY. I don't have any details on his parents, but I have names of the following siblings: Margaret Mangan Rockwell Patrick Mangan - married Rose Beck Rose Mangan --- father re-married --- James Mangan (1/2 brother) Julia Mangan (1/2 sister) married SNYDER ? Bill Mangan (1/2 brother) - never married. Joseph died in 1903 at the age of 44. Details surrounding his death are very sketchy - rumuor says he was in a trolly accident in Utica. Do any of the previous names show up in the 1860 census or county directory? I don't know if Joseph was the eldest child or not. Looks like I'll need to take a detour to Clayville next time I head to Utica. Any information will be greatly appreciated and immediately acknowledged. Thank you. Peggy Burns

Phyllis, The Eliza Knowles in the 1850 census page 139 is the same one I sent you the info about on 1/19/00. She is in the Raymond Lamphier home, age 11, born in NY. If you didn't get that email let me know and I will resend it. Hope someone volunteers to do the 1860 lookup for you. Julie St. David, AZ bevegan@mindspring.com PJohn27974@aol.com wrote: > > I'm researching a WILLIAM KNOWLES in the 1860 index in the town of VERONA. > Page 723. > and > ELIZA KNOWLES in (1850) Oneida index in the town of VERONA. page 139.. > Is there anyone out there researching Onieda census for 1850 and 1860 that > would be willing to take a look at these census and give me the answers I > need. Such as age of WM. KNOWLES and ELIZA KNOWLES and place of birth and > names of people living in household with them. > I will gladly pay for the service. Phyllis in Fl. > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > For List Rules visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006 click on Mailing List > Visit the Oneida County Mailing List Surname Page at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006/oneida.html > Visit the Oneida Co NYGenWeb Page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida

I got this off another listserv. I haven't tried it yet, but I thought I would share it with all of you. Wendy >From: Anthony Long <anthlong@erols.com> >To: WashingtonDC-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WashingtonDC] Re: [ADAMS-L] Finding Death Date >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:11:46 -0800 > >I thought I would pass this on just incase there was another person like >myself who could use it? I could use all the help I can get in math and >spelling. > Hope this helps > Anthony > >fcruble wrote: > > > > "In the event you don't have a computer close at > > > hand to do the calculating: > > > > > > REMEMBER 8870 > > > That's not an error: It's the number to remember > > > when you want to find the birthdate of someone > > > when you only have the date of death and age. > > > How do you figure the birthdate? Suppose the > > > person died May 6, 1889, > > > at the age of 71 years, 7 months, 9 days. > > > ****Write the year, month, day as:->18890506 > > > ****Subtract the age at death:------->710709 > > > ****This gives the figure:--------->18179797 > > > ****Now subtract 8870:----------------->8870 > > > ****The result is:----------------->18170927 > > > Year 1817, 9th month (Sept), 27th day or 27 Sept, > > > 1817 > > > >From Platte Co, MO Historical/Genealogical > > > Society" > > > > > > > ==== ADAMS Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe in Mail Mode use ADAMS-L-Request@rootsweb.com use a "new" >message with Nothing in the subject line & only the word "Unsubscribe" >(without the quotes) in the body. > > To unsubscribe in the Digest mode use ADAMS-D-Request@rootsweb.com use a >"new" message with Nothing in the subject line & only the words >"UNSUBSCRBIE" (without the quotes)in the body. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

What's New on the Oneida pages: Added Biographies to the Main Table of Contents - added 6 bios http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/bios/ Don't forget to visit the New Query system. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/newquerys/ And thanks to the many well-wishers! Your emails were greatly appreciated. Cheers! Betty McCulloch