I am tempted to disagree with Neil's comments pertaining to "homesteading." I believe in both pre and post Rev NY many were allowed to settle and work the land, perhaps sharing proceeds from crops/produce...if in time they made the land profitable it was theirs; if they could not make it, they simply moved on...... Someone more knowledgeable may wish to research this a little more in depth

I see no one's mentioned the homesteading list question so I thought I'd put in my 2cents. I don't think you'll find a "homestead list" for Oneida county as I think this "guberment" program mostly applied to the western territories. When our ancestors came here they had to "BUY" or lease the land and usually at high prices. Homesteading came into being after the Civil war in order to lure settlers into the midwest. Neal Carrier > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:56:21 -0800 "gbowne" <gbowne@email.msn.com> > writes: > > > > Is their a homesteaders list ( those who lived on the land for I > > think 7 > > years then the land became theirs? > >

There was an agricultural census as well as a manufacturing census. I believe that the agricultural census schedules for New York are at the NYS archives in Albany. Some of the manufacturing census schedules--which would include mills--are available on NARA microfilm. They will not list employees, however. When I have tired to find employees of industrial concerns, I have checked directories and censuses for listings of individuals' occupations. While the censuses will usually not specify for what firms they worked, they might say, for instance, "mill worker" or something similar. You can then make a failry good case for being associated with a particular mill if they lived close to it. If they lived in company housing, then you are likely to find a concentration of such workers. As for relatives of presidents, I would look on the Web first. I believe that Rootsweb has begun a section along those lines. Tim Dennee On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:56:21 -0800 "gbowne" <gbowne@email.msn.com> writes: > > Is their a homesteaders list ( those who lived on the land for I > think 7 > years then the land became theirs? > > Is their a farm census ? > > A lot of us are related to presidents > > Are their sites for each of the Presidents? > > I am related to Lincoln and Nixon > > Also their were a lot of boarding houses near factories > > How do you get a list of boarders > > Is their list for Cotton mills, Woolen mills, Grist mills? > > > I am researching the surname BOWNE and Allied families > > Thanks > Audrey > Seattle > gbowne@email.msn.com > > > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > Oneida Co Surname page > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ >

Re: Lists of boarders Use the census records starting in 1850. Boarding houses are easy to spot on the microfilmed page, because you will see long lists of unrelated individuals at a single address. On each line to the right of the individual's name, you will see the occupation. Often, line after line, you will find: "Works in cotton mill," or "Works in scythe factory," or "Works in woolen mill," likely signs that you have found a boarding house. Joanne Garland -----Original Message----- From: gbowne <gbowne@email.msn.com> To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, March 24, 2000 7:56 PM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Questions I have >Is their a homesteaders list ( those who lived on the land for I think 7 >years then the land became theirs? > >Is their a farm census ? > >A lot of us are related to presidents > >Are their sites for each of the Presidents? > >I am related to Lincoln and Nixon > >Also their were a lot of boarding houses near factories > >How do you get a list of boarders > >Is their list for Cotton mills, Woolen mills, Grist mills? > > >I am researching the surname BOWNE and Allied families > >Thanks >Audrey >Seattle >gbowne@email.msn.com >

I have been off the list for several months, but miss all the good info I received here in the past. I am researching the names BRYAN, ATWATER, PRESTON, SPENCER and WHEELER who all resided in and around Camden from 1800 to about 1880. I'd be glad to know if others are working on these same names. Kathy Johnson

Is their a homesteaders list ( those who lived on the land for I think 7 years then the land became theirs? Is their a farm census ? A lot of us are related to presidents Are their sites for each of the Presidents? I am related to Lincoln and Nixon Also their were a lot of boarding houses near factories How do you get a list of boarders Is their list for Cotton mills, Woolen mills, Grist mills? I am researching the surname BOWNE and Allied families Thanks Audrey Seattle gbowne@email.msn.com

I first would like to thank the people that work on the Oneida County genweb site. It is great. I am from Westernville. The Crego family is still there. They had two boys that I know of Don Crego? and George Crego. Thanks again. colette@mtaonline.net -----Original Message----- From: NYONEIDA-D-request@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: NYONEIDA-D@rootsweb.com <NYONEIDA-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 4:24 AM Subject: NYONEIDA-D Digest V00 #91

Am looking for any info on a Linton Darrah from Rome. He worked for Olney Coal in late 40's and early 50's. Thank you.

>From: "Judy Wilming" <jwil@capital.net> >To: NYFingerLakes-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NYFL] Fw: BIG DETOUR IN ALBANY, NY NEAR EMPIRE PLAZA >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:32:21 -0500 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <unlimitd1@juno.com> >To: <NYFingerLakes-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 6:59 AM >Subject: BIG DETOUR IN ALBANY, NY NEAR EMPIRE PLAZA > > > > > > > > BIG DETOUR IN ALBANY, NY NEAR EMPIRE PLAZA > > BEGINNING 01 APR 2000 -04 JUL 2000 > > > > If you think the problem of driving in Albany near the Empire Plaza > > couldn't get worse, IT WILL effective 01 Apr 2000. Please post to > > genealogy lists to help people avoid the problems in trying to get > > to the NYS Library, Archives, Museum, Albany Co. Hall of Records > > and any other place in downtown Albany. This involves the EXIT > > RAMP COMING OUT OF THE UNDERGROUND PARKING AREA > > of EMPIRE PLAZA to RT I-787 NORTH AND SOUTH. > > > > To accommodate the additional traffic anticipated (from soon-to-open > > new parking ramps) to access I-787, certain portions of the current > > ramps must be widened. The DOT is constructing a project that > > is running concurrently with the Offices of General Services' garage > > construction so that work on the ramp widening project will conclude > > on or about 01 AUG 2000. > > > > It will be necessary to CLOSE the ramp from the garage exit that > > leads to I-787 NORTH and SOUTHBOUND. The ramp will be > > closed for a maximum of 90 days. During this time, all the > > remaining work that affects traffic will be completed. It is expected > > that work will begin on 01 Apr 2000 and will be completed prior > > to 04 Jul weekend. > > > > To ensure safe lane changes to and from the underground garages, > > new overhead signs will be placed. Motorist traveling through the > > Mall or exiting the Empire State Plaza north and south (underground) > > parking facilities will encounter a divided roadway after leaving the > > Plaza tunnels. > > > > As you exit, YOU WILL NOT be able to take the usual ramp which > > takes you directly to I-787 north and south. Signs will take you on a > > 2 (two) mile route which will take you out over I-787 (below you) > > and ACROSS THE HUDSON RIVER. On the other side of the > > river, you will do a right loop, turn right, go a short distance >straight > > ahead, take a right and COME BACK ACROSS THE HUDSON > > RIVER. As you return to the Albany side of the Hudson River, THEN > > you may TAKE RT I-787 North or South. This is an expected 4 (four) > > minute additional time DURING NON-PEAK HOURS. > > > > TO AVOID THIS DETOUR. It is suggested if leaving the NYS Library, > > Archives, Museum, Albany Co. Hall of Records - Take Madison Ave > > (the street that runs in front of the Museum) downhill and when you > > are at the bottom, take the road to the right that directs you to I-787. > > (You will be driving under the raised roads of I-787). > > To go NORTH on I-787 - From the bottom of Madison Ave, it curves > > to the right and then to the left (stay in the left lane). At the light > > *, > > you will turn left and stay to the left going up the ramp to join the > > Northbound I-787 traffic. * At this light, you will be looking at the > > Hudson River (USS SLater and Dutch Apple Boat are right there). > > > > If you are familiar with downtown Albany, you may enter I-787 from > > the ramp entrance near Fleet Bank. This ramp will be open as > > usual. > > > > A great idea to avoid the traffic and parking problems at any time > > (year round) near the Museum and Capital area is to check out > > the locations, especially from Malls, that you could take a CDTA > > bus in to Madison Ave. There are commuter bus services from > > all surrounding counties also. These opportunities should be > > considered in booking motel accommodations in the areas > > outside of downtown Albany which are often considerably > > lower in price. > > > > For further information call: > > Wendy Gibson - Information officer of the Office of General > > Services 518-474-5987 or > > Tim Conway, Department of Transportation at 518-474-6285. > > Tune into AM 830 on our radio for project information. > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Cherry, I suspect the cheese factory was the Quaker Hill Cheese Factory and was located along the present Quaker Hill Road in the Town of Western. I've been researching several families there including the Cregos, Samsons and Hyzer Williams. I'd be very interested in the description of the equipment and who your ancestor bought the factory from. I don't remember running across the McCurns yet, but will keep an eye out for them. Roy Crego ----- Original Message ----- From: <MarcoBee@aol.com> To: <NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 4:48 PM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Thomas McCurn > Hi everyone, > Haven't posted anything on here in a long time but have been reading the > letters with interest-some very valuable-like the one with the boundry > changes of the Towns and the dates. > I am still looking for more information on the McCurn family. Last sunner we > went to Rome for the day and I found some old deeds in the basement of the > County Clerks office and some helpful people. Thomas Mulkerin bought a piece > of property Oct. 31,1871 probably in Rome. It was described as lot 47,Fonda's > Patent. Anyone have a clue?[Neal Carrier,maybe} > Great grandfather John McCurn bought a cheese factory in the Town of Western > Jan 29,1887. It was Quacker Hill Cheese Factory and the description of the > equiptment as interesting. > Is anyone researching the Conelly family of Rome. They must have been friends > as there are references to them in obit. > Enough for now. > Cherry McCurn MarcoBee@aol.com > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ >

Well Cherry, I looked but can't find a good map of Fonda's patent. From what maps I do have, it looks like that the patent covered Rome and Floyd numbered from north west at 1 and the lots went up in number as you go east to south. The map in the Town of Floyd bicentennial booklet shows that I live in lot 67 and that's on the east end of the plot. Camroden corners appears to be at the intersection of lots 51, 52, 64, and 65. I would suspect that 47 would be between the area of the corners and probably Wright Settlement. By the way that's Quaker Hill as in the religion not Quacker as in duck talk. :-) I'll keep my eyes open for a better map. Neal On 22 Mar 2000, at 17:48, MarcoBee@aol.com wrote: > Hi everyone, > Haven't posted anything on here in a long time but have been reading the > letters with interest-some very valuable-like the one with the boundry > changes of the Towns and the dates. > I am still looking for more information on the McCurn family. Last sunner we > went to Rome for the day and I found some old deeds in the basement of the > County Clerks office and some helpful people. Thomas Mulkerin bought a piece > of property Oct. 31,1871 probably in Rome. It was described as lot 47,Fonda's > Patent. Anyone have a clue?[Neal Carrier,maybe} > Great grandfather John McCurn bought a cheese factory in the Town of Western > Jan 29,1887. It was Quacker Hill Cheese Factory and the description of the > equiptment as interesting. > Is anyone researching the Conelly family of Rome. They must have been friends > as there are references to them in obit. > Enough for now. > Cherry McCurn MarcoBee@aol.com > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ >

Hi everyone, Haven't posted anything on here in a long time but have been reading the letters with interest-some very valuable-like the one with the boundry changes of the Towns and the dates. I am still looking for more information on the McCurn family. Last sunner we went to Rome for the day and I found some old deeds in the basement of the County Clerks office and some helpful people. Thomas Mulkerin bought a piece of property Oct. 31,1871 probably in Rome. It was described as lot 47,Fonda's Patent. Anyone have a clue?[Neal Carrier,maybe} Great grandfather John McCurn bought a cheese factory in the Town of Western Jan 29,1887. It was Quacker Hill Cheese Factory and the description of the equiptment as interesting. Is anyone researching the Conelly family of Rome. They must have been friends as there are references to them in obit. Enough for now. Cherry McCurn MarcoBee@aol.com

Hello All: I just posted a new page about Bartlett French, a coverlet weaver who worked in Cazenovia from at least 1843 to 1848. He was in Waterville and Clinton (Oneida Co.) for a few years before that. Does anyone have any information on Bartlett French and his business? I'm interested in some family history too - where did he come from, where did he go??? I also found a reference to one William Wilson, a native of Scotland, settled in Madison County in 1818, and who was weaving coverlets in the 1830s. Go to the Bartlett French web page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyccazen/ scroll down to "Local History Shorts and Vignettes" or or go to the "What's New?!?" page Any help would be appreciated! Dan W. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyccazen/

am seeking information as to the following mariages Catharina Near b: 2/26/1802 to ??, Anna Near b: 9/29/1797 to ???, Betsey Near b: 8/7/1804 to ???, Charolette Near b: 6/8/1810 to ???, and Sybe Near b: 4/22/1812 The Parents to all 5 women were Conrad near Jr. and Anna Nancy Fox Near. Any information is greatly appreciated. ************************************************************************ * Beryl (Bud) Neer Jr. * bfnjr@icdc.com * Im "bfnjr" * ICQ 14242915 * Researching Near/Neer>NY, Pa, Morrison>Pa, Leasher>pa, * http://www.icdc.com/~bfnjr * Visit Our 40/8 pages * http://www.icdc.com/~bfnjr/index1.htm **************************************************************************

Laura (and Jack), I'm picking up on the thread about Utica Catholic Churches and O'Connor. My gg-grandfather, Thomas R. Connor (spelled "-or" vs. "-er") was married in 1872 in Utica to Catharine Moore. Like Jack, I've had trouble finding my relatives in Utica, but contacted the churches mentioned and there is a wonderful lady at St. Joseph's who does genealogy for a modest donation to the church as stated in someone else's post. I haven't gotten an answer from her yet, but I was told by the church secretary that the lady comes in once a week and does research and that she has been known to search the historical society and beyond the church records if she has enough info. A donation of $5 or $10 sent along with any info a person has goes directly to the church and is her own personal ministry for the church. Laura, the reason your post caught my eye was that there was a business in Morris, IL called "Connor Bros." and I always thought that my Thomas R. was one of the "brothers", as it was a meat market and he was a butcher. I do know that one of the original brothers in the business when it was in Will Co., IL before it moved to Morris was William Connor (who then sold it to his sons after he moved to Morris and they ran it from then on). My great-aunt (d/o Thomas R. Connor) worked as a bookkeeper in the Morris, IL Connor Bros. business, which is why I thought it might be in our family also. But maybe it was just a coincidence. I checked out everything I could find on the William Connor who was actual owner but couldn't find a connection to my Thomas R. Now I see your post about a business called "O'Connor Bros." which is the same way the Illinois business spelled "brothers", and knowing that many Irish immigrants dropped the "O'" from their names, I'm curious once again. Jack, if it turns out that the James O'Connor that Laura found is your ancestor and that you're related to the the Connor Bros. in Illinois, I have quite a bit of info on the William Connor line. I also have "met" another Connor Bros. descendant online so I can connect you with him. Please contact me directly if you need more info. Laura, since you have access to the UCD's of 1870, does it give you any idea about what type of business O'Connor Bros. was? Also, do you have a listing that shows a Catharine Moore (parents names unknown)? All I know is that Thomas R. Connor (possibly s/o Thomas Connor who was supposedly a merchant seaman and was lost at sea, maybe Lake Erie, but also in Ireland) was born in June 3, 1848 in Co. Wicklow, Ireland. I don't know when he came to this country, but he married Catharine Moore (born Aug. 28, 1851 in Co. Westmeath, Ireland) in Utica, NY on June 19, 1872. Any clues you could provide would really be appreciated. I seem to have hit a brick wall at Utica and would love to find out when they came over and who their parents were. Thanks so much! Rita Laura wrote: > > Jack, > I was able to check a couple Utica City Directories, and looked up James > O'Connor. > > UCD 1870: O'Connor, James (O'Connor Bros.) r 6 Montgomery > others listed at same residence : > O'Connor, John, saloon, 111 Bleecker, r 6 Montgomery > O'Connor, Patrick, (O'Connor Bros.) r 6 Montgomery > There were a number of other O'Connor's in 1870 at various address's. Hope this > helps. > Laura > > Jack Hicks wrote: > > > Thank you to everyone who responded to my yesterday's query looking for 1850 > > churches. Your information was so helpful that I've already written a > > letter to, I hope, the appropriate church. > > > > I do have one other question. > > James O'CONNOR was a druggist when I found him in 1870. Did Utica have City > > Directories or Business Directories for the period 1850-1859? If so, does > > anyone happen to have access to them for such a lookup? > > > > Even a lookup of Utica 1850 census, if anyone would be so kind, would be > > helpful as I try to track him back to emigration. I'd be very grateful. > > Thank you. > > > > Jack Hicks > > Rosetown, Saskatchewan > > jacjon@sk.sympatico.ca > > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/

Hello, I've added some info on the military service of the 146th NY infantry in the Civil War and of those who rest in Stanford Cemetery. <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~njpatrn/Oneida%20resources.html ">Oneida Co Resources</A> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~njpatrn/Oneida%20resources.html Also, I will be unable to respond promptly to any questions about the site or my families for a while. My Dad died yesterday afternoonand it will take time to adjust. Thaniks for understanding. Pat

Jack, I was able to check a couple Utica City Directories, and looked up James O'Connor. UCD 1850 listed: O'Conner, Martin, cordwainer, h 21 John (no others) UCD 1854-55: O'Conner, John, laborer, h 12 Blandina (no others) UCD 1870: O'Connor, James (O'Connor Bros.) r 6 Montgomery others listed at same residence : O'Connor, John, saloon, 111 Bleecker, r 6 Montgomery O'Connor, Patrick, (O'Connor Bros.) r 6 Montgomery There were a number of other O'Connor's in 1870 at various address's. Hope this helps. Laura Jack Hicks wrote: > Thank you to everyone who responded to my yesterday's query looking for 1850 > churches. Your information was so helpful that I've already written a > letter to, I hope, the appropriate church. > > I do have one other question. > James O'CONNOR was a druggist when I found him in 1870. Did Utica have City > Directories or Business Directories for the period 1850-1859? If so, does > anyone happen to have access to them for such a lookup? > > Even a lookup of Utica 1850 census, if anyone would be so kind, would be > helpful as I try to track him back to emigration. I'd be very grateful. > Thank you. > > Jack Hicks > Rosetown, Saskatchewan > jacjon@sk.sympatico.ca > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/

I really appreciate all of the replies to my posting re for early Utica churches. I received a great deal of help, and have written to the most likely one. A big thank you to everyone. Jack Hicks Rosetown, Saskatchewan jacjon@sk.sympatico.ca

Am seeking information about a possible marriage of John Conrad Near to a Miss Tamison Lounsbery/Lounsbury in 1815 - 1817 the actual marriage location is not known. John C. was from Montgomery county, Tamison supposedly from Schaighticoke, Rensselear county. John C's parents Conrad Jr. and Anna Nancy Fox were found in the 1820 census in Madison County. ************************************************************************ * Beryl (Bud) Neer Jr. * bfnjr@icdc.com * Im "bfnjr" * ICQ 14242915 * Researching Near/Neer>NY, Pa, Morrison>Pa, Leasher>pa, * http://www.icdc.com/~bfnjr * Visit Our 40/8 pages * http://www.icdc.com/~bfnjr/index1.htm **************************************************************************

Am seeking information on a possible marriage in about 1815 to 1817 of a John C. Near and a Tamison Lounsbery. Actual Marriage location is unknown, John C. was from Montgomery County and Tamison was supposedly from Schaighticoke.but they were found in 1820