There is a Campbell on rt 17 in Steuben county, western NY state, per AAA road map. Just south of middle of Finger Lakes, no pop. given. Dave

> The message below came from another list I belong to. Passing it > along FYI. > > Subject: Rip-offs of the genealogy community continues > > Good Morning, friends and cousins in the genealogy community! > > The response to the identification of the genealogy rip-off operation > in Denver last week has been tremendous with a steady stream of requests > > for add'l info. > > The operation in Denver with a newly discovered "branch" in Utah is an > incarnation of the identical scheme that Halbert's used. The same form > letters, books and newsletters are being sold, and the same fake > "Crests" and other products are being created "to exacting standards". > > The new incarnation has not yet been linked financially to Halbert´s or > NUMA (Halbert parent), but the resemblance is so close, they could be > joined at the hip, operating under dba's Mountain West News Service, > Mountain Pacific News Service, and MORPHCORP. The Better Business Bureau > > reports that the company has joined the BBB in January 2000, opened in > 1985, and is rated as satisfactory. A complete history of Halbert's, > courtesy of Jeff Scism (despite our surname homonyms, we ain't kin --- > he hopes!) is available at > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~blksheep/shame/halberts.htm > > Volunteers interested in assisting in informing the genealogy community > of this scam have come out of the woodwork. We would ask the recipients > > of this email the following: > 1) A sample of the Colorado flyer is at > http://www.dfc.cc/CyberCousins/genfraud.jpg > Print it and post in the genealogy section at your library with > appropriate message and make announcements at your gensoc. > > 2) After you have read it, as a researcher you realize the fraud that it > > is. Go to the Federal Trade Commissions website at > https://www.ftc.gov/ftc/complaint.htm and file a complaint ONLINE. For > a sample complaint and further detailed information to use, please go to > > http://www.dfc.cc/CyberCousins/complaint.txt > > 3) Forward this to every list you are on. > > 4) If you are a member of NGS (shane@ngsgenealogy.org) or FGS > (fgs-office@fgs.org), contact those organizations and ask that they get > members motivated. Gentech, Inc. (beau@connect.net) has a director and > a well-known regular conference speaker in the Denver metro. I asked > them to do some local research. No response to date. > > 5) Contact every genealogy columnist whose work you read, both local and > > online such as Myra Gormley (myravg@prodigy.net} or Dick Eastman > (ROOTS@compuserve.com) who was stalwart in early work on Halbert's, both > > of whom, as well as others, are on this list. No response to date. > > 6} If you have rec'd a flyer yourself, please report the names and > addresses to me. We need to know all the DBAs they are using. Then > take it to the local post office and file a complaint. > > 7) If you are in the Denver area, we need search of the court house > records to determine any corporate connections. If we can make a > corporate connection, I am fairly sure the restraints placed on > Halbert's can be extended by the proper authorities. > > 8) If you are a supplier (software, services, researcher) to the > genealogy community, this type of scam effects you even more. > Contribute to the effort. > > 9)This is no small time scam. Halbert's is owned by a company named > NUMA whih in turn is owned by CENDANT. Go to > http://itjobs.cendant.com/cendant_co.html to find other Cendant > companies. You will NOT be happy with how you have been doing business > with folks like this --- I promise you. > > These scams are more likely to rip off folks less involved in genealogy > than most recipients of this msg. Most of us will recognize it for what > > it is and trash it. That does not relieve us of the responsibility of > making it more difficult for these and other parasites within our > community to enjoy their ill-gotten gains. I have found far too many > that "don't want to get involved", "Didn't happen on my watch." (to use > an old Navy excuse), running from controversy and responsibility. Let > us unite in eradicating those that are behind an obvious attempt to > profit unethically from the popularity of genealogy.

Thanks to everyone who answered my question about where Campbell is - does anyone know the address of the village or town clerk there who might have vital records for the town? Theresa

I'm looking for info on my gg-grandfather Joseph COCHRAN(E), b. 2 Dec 1820, Brownville, Jefferson Co NY. His father's name was also Joseph, b. Glasgow, Scotland, date unknown. There is a Joseph Cochran is listed in the 1820 census index for Jefferson County. Sometime after that, I'm guessing they moved to Oneida County, as there is a Joseph Cochran listed in the 1840 census index: COCHRAN, Joseph, Oneida County NY, p. 145, Whitestown, ID#NYS4a529997 Joseph Cochrane (b. 1820) married Emeline GAMBIA (b.1824) in New York Mills, Oneida Co NY, on 14 Dec 1842. The family moved to Troy NY in 1846, and on to Milwaukee WI in 1850. Is it possible to do a lookup of the 1840 Federal Census using this ID number and page? What are my chances of finding the marriage record from 1842? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Sue Ruggles Milwaukee WI

Does anyone know where Campbell, New York is? Theresa

Campbell is in the Southern Tier in Steuben County, right along I-390. Tim Dennee On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:30:58 -0500 Theresa Skaine <tskaine@lemerymackrell.com> writes: > Does anyone know where Campbell, New York is? > > Theresa

I am trying to find parents of Electa Hubbard, b 22 Jan 1809, prob in southern Oneida Co. She m Henry Abbey, son of John & Ruth Risley Abbey who settled in Town of Marshall @ 1829. I suspect both Horatio & Electa somehow related to Hubbards of Hubbardsville, Madison Co, just south of Rt 20 near Bridgewater........ Any Hubbard info helpful...... Thanks, Dan

Hi, Could someone please tell me how I look up information I found on the 1830 NY Census Index. 1830 NY Census Index (genealogylibrary.com) p. 2275 Hubbard, Horatio NY Oneida CO. Bridgwater 182 1830 Is this something that will be in all libraries or do I write NY? Suggestions? Thank you, Karen

Looking for: Caleb BURROWS married to Salome ALLEN. I have no dates for Caleb. They lived in Whitestown, Oneida County, NY. Married abt. 1828. Children: Julia Francis Carrie Wesley William born 1829 Any info would be appreciated! Jo Dee Frasco JONICK5029@aol.com

Searching for an Unknown BURROWS married to a Lydia ALLEN, born 1808. Possibly lived in Russia, Herkimer County and/or Utica or Oriskany, Oneida County, New York. Lydia was also married to a Mr. Robert STANCLIFT. No other information is known on this unknown Burrows and Lydia Allen. Any information would be greatly appreciated!!! Jo Dee Frasco JONICK5029@aol.com

Searching for: Lydia BURROWS (dates unknown) but probably died young between the years of 1843 and 1850. At the time, she most likely lived in the town of Trenton, Oneida County, NY (or there around). Also, lived in the Remsen area of Oneida County. She was married to Luther ALLEN b. 1807 Her children with Luther were: Saphrona born abt. 1834 Monroe born 1836 Oscar born about 1843 Any help would be greatly appreciated! Jo Dee Frasco

Neal: I saw your offer to help someone who wanted a Lee Center Cemetery picture. I was wondering if you would be willing to help me. I am very interested in a picture of the tombstone on the grave of Caroline TAYLOR, wife of Henry TAYLOR. She may be my gg-grandmother. I, of course, would be willing to reimburse you for your costs. Marilyn Lane Mountain View, CA Check out my website at http://members.xoom.com/marilynlane/ > From: "Neal F. Carrier" <ncarrier@dreamscape.com> > To: NYONEIDA-L@rootsweb.com > > Ben, > Did any one ever take these pic's you wanted? > Let me know as the snow has melted enough that I might be able to make it into > the cemetery in the next week or two. > Neal Carrier >

Has anyone run across these names in their research? William Saltar and his four children came to Utica from New Jersey in early 1800. His wife, Sarah, was in poor health and stayed in New Jersey. A source (Stillwell's Historical and Genealogical Miscellany) said he was with the USBank, but the bank has no such records. The same source said he represented the government in Indian negotiations. I can't find anything else written to that effect. One of his daughters, Mary Walker Saltar, married Asa Bill Sizer, son of Samuel Sizer of Steuben who came to the area representing the Baron. His brother-in-law was Benjamin Walker, who was Baron Steuben's aide, adopted son, and executor of his estate. Two daughters married into the Mappa family and Wm. Saltar lived his last years in the Mappa House with Sophia Mappa, his daughter, and died in 1850 and is buried in the Trenton/Oldenbarnveld cemetery. I am particularly interested in knowing what Wm. Saltar lived before Mappa House and what he did for a living. If anyone knows a descendant of the Mappas, maybe they have some information about our mutual ancestor. Alice Pryor

Homesteading laws all applied only to federal lands. New York is a state land state. There were no federal lands in NY for the federal gvt to offer for homesteading. The many settlers who moved into NY after the Revolution bought land from the state or from one of several large land companies who had acquired patent to the lands from the state (ie the Holland Land Company). Barb Vander Leest PhD

I am looking for information on Horatio HUBBARD m. Mary HOLLENBECK parents of Henry Dewain HUBBARD who was born Jan. 01, 1840 in Oneida County, NY. Henry married Martha Adeline JOHNSON and had 6 children (Joseph LeRoy D., Richard, Chloe Viola, William H., Charles Clayton, Mary Matilda) in Genesee Co. MI They ended up in Saginaw MI If anyone has information on this family, or ideas where to look, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Karen

I am looking for someone researching Newton D. GRIFFITH born March 16, about 1852 He lived on the old Floyd-Westernville Road of Oneida County, NY. His son may be Charles Griffith b. April 11, 1893. Charles married Annie Let me know if any of this sounds familiar. From: Joyce O'Connell Genealogy is Hereditary! My Family Tree includes: MARTIN, CAPRON, DENISON, MYERS, AUSTIN, BAEL, RITTER, O'CONNELL, BOYD, CONKLIN

Ben, Did any one ever take these pic's you wanted? Let me know as the snow has melted enough that I might be able to make it into the cemetery in the next week or two. Neal Carrier On 13 Feb 2000, at 14:52, Ben Hines wrote: > Is anyone able/willing to drive to Lee Center Cemetery on Thomas Road > in Lee and take some cemetery pictures for me? Digital is fine if > that is what you have, or i can send $$ for film if you have film. In > return I can do a lookup in any census if there is an index, or many > other records here at the LA Family History center (list at > http://www.lafhc.org/ ) > > The graves are: > > Cornish, Stephen, Revolutionary War, died Feb. 9, 1845, age 85 yrs > Cornish, Roxcinda, wife of Stephen Cornish, died July 28, 1833, age > 65 yrs 8 mos 13 dys > > Also, I am researching CORNISHes and BUTTONs in Oneida co, if anyone else is. > > Thanks! > > -Ben > > -- > <http://members.tripod.com/~tunnels/> > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ >

http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/search/search.asp?s=4 The above web gives land patents for certain states.

I've never heard of "homesteading" in NY as people did it in the west. Lands may have been patented or granted for military service, but speculators or the state were busy buying up the land and selling them for profit - not something likely to lead to what we know as homesteading. Homesteading is a federal program on federal lands and since NY is who took al the land from the Indians there isn't much chance of a federal homestead program in the state. In the early 20th century I do beieve there was a program in NY where farms occupied by families for so-many generatiosn could receive a tax break if they met certain criteria based on the history of property ownership - thus farms that were in families for several generatiosn becaem known as "The Smith Homestead" etc. The program / programs in NY may have come about as the result of the federal homestead benefits given farmers in other parts of the country. This could be had even if your family had only owned the property for 50 years, which leads today to many confusing property histories as people assume that the homestead designation means what it does elsewhere and that the family was the original settler and improved the land in exchange for title. Not so in NY. We have "homesteads" in Cazenovia and surrounding towns which were first sold in the 1790s by the Holland Land Company or by Peter Smith, and which went through several hands until the "homsteading family" acquired it in the 1820s or 1830s. I grew up on "The Old Annas Homestead" which had at least three owners before the Annas family bought it in 1813. The well known "Cook Homstead" is a good example of the confusion as people have assumed that the Cook family purchased it in the 1790s, when they only purchased it in about 1815. Dan W. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyccazen/ Check out all the new material!!!!!

Well Dan, every book or reference source I have ever read has never referred to "homesteading" or "sharecropping" in NY before or after the Rev. I have copies of land transaction records of my ancestors in Herkimer or Oneida County in the late 1700's/early 1800's and they do not mention "homesteading" but rather the exchange of cold hard cash to the seller, usually a New York City land baron, who bought the land dirt cheap and sold it at inflated prices. Believe me there was no benevolent "share cropping" going on here. Since the federal Homesteading law was inacted in 1862, (refer to http://www.homestead.org/hofaq.htm ) I don't think it would cover this era. But then again, I might not be knowledgeable enough to understand this subject and as you hope someone else will "research this a little more in depth" apparently you aren't either. On 25 Mar 2000, at 16:56, Dan Touse wrote: > I am tempted to disagree with Neil's comments pertaining to "homesteading." I > believe in both pre and post Rev NY many were allowed to settle and work the land, > perhaps sharing proceeds from crops/produce...if in time they made the land > profitable it was theirs; if they could not make it, they simply moved on...... > > Someone more knowledgeable may wish to research this a little more in depth > > > > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > For List Rules visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006 click on Mailing > List Visit the Oneida County Mailing List Surname Page at > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006/oneida.html Visit the Oneida Co > NYGenWeb Page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida >