Susan: The state counties that kept vital statistics are likely to be found. Of course, to look at census documents you must go to the physical site in NYC. You will find NY City and the counties represented. In a few instances, records may not be found because they burned or were otherwise destroyed. For example, you will not find 1845 state census because they burned in Albany. Some counties, however, may have made their own copies. To get maximum value, you need to use its web site and the on-site holdings. Ken > Hello Oneida: > > I am curious as to your opinions on the NYGBS? Is it worth the membership > fee? Do they just concentrate on New York City or is there enough information on > the other counties (ie; Oneida, Cayuga, etc) to make it worth the investment? > The New England Historical Society was definitely worth the $$$ for my > Mother's English side of the family where I have traced ancestors back to 1692. NY > (Oneida and Cayuga counties) is the home of my Father's side. They were Irish > and German and did not arrive here until 1843-1850. > > Slainte, > Susan

Hello Oneida: I am curious as to your opinions on the NYGBS? Is it worth the membership fee? Do they just concentrate on New York City or is there enough information on the other counties (ie; Oneida, Cayuga, etc) to make it worth the investment? The New England Historical Society was definitely worth the $$$ for my Mother's English side of the family where I have traced ancestors back to 1692. NY (Oneida and Cayuga counties) is the home of my Father's side. They were Irish and German and did not arrive here until 1843-1850. Slainte, Susan <A HREF="http://www.nygbs.org/aboutnygb/membership.html#types">http://www.nygbs.org/aboutnygb/membership.html#types</A> Work as if you had no need for the money. Love as if you had never been hurt. Dance as if nobody was watching you. Sing as if nobody was hearing you. Live as if it was Heaven on Earth.

I would like to know the history of the Varick Tavern. Also, I understand there was a beer named Varick Beer made in Utica - was it in conjunction with Varick Tavern? Any information or references to sources will be greatly appreciated. Floreda Varick Tallahassee, Fl

Alice, I haven't run across William, but have you found the following Salter and Mappa reference in Scholar in the Wilderness: Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, by Harry F. Jackson, (Syracuse Univ. Pr.: 1963), p. 316 "From time to time friends asked Van der Kemp for recommendations and he complied when possible. In 1821, he recommended Joseph Salter, a brother-in-law of John Mappa, to William Bayard and also to Frederick Gebhard. The young man was a fine, able clerk and wanted a position with a future in business (Hist. Society of Pennsylvania, Van der Kemp to Le Roy, Bayard, & Co., Nov 29, 1821)" There are many other references to the Mappa family of Oneida Co. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] SALTAR/SALTER I am searching for information about my ancestor WILLIAM SALTAR, who lived his final years with his daughter Sarah S. Mappa, in Trenton/Oldenbarnveld in the Mappa House (that is still standing.) He was born in Freehold, NJ in 1757, and died in 1853. WILLIAM, according to Stillwell's, Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, moved to Utica where he was an officer in the branch of the U.S. Bank. (I can't find any record of such.) In 1796, he and his father, Joseph Saltar, with others were appointed to attend to the lands of the Indians appointed to them. In 1801, near Oneida Lake, WILLIAM and two other men were appointed Commissioners to sell their lands. (I have found no record of this, either.) WILLIAM was the brother-in-law of Benjamin Walker, Baron von Steuben's aide and adopted son. One of his daughters married John Mappa and another married Asa Bill Sizer, Samuel Sizer's son. His wife Sarah died and was buried in Rome. With all this information, I still can't find any reference to WILLIAM's occupation, where he lived before joining his daughter in Trenton, etc.. If in your research, you have come across anything about WILLIAM SALTAR, I would appreciate hearing from you about it. Thanks in advance. Alice Pryor ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== Contact the List Manager at [email protected] Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/

One way to cover a lot of research ground to plan productive research trip is to check the Oneida County Packet for pre-1860 data of birth, marriage & death record alternatives. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycnygs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Andrle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica & Frankfort NY > My guess is New York to Utica by train (Amtrak) would be about 4 hours since > Buffalo to New York is 8 or 9 hours and Utica is about half way across the > state. The train doesn't run every day of the week either. You couldn't get > there and back in a day and still have much time to research. > > Chris Andrle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:49 AM > Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica & Frankfort NY > > > > I'm planning on doing some research in this area in August. Could someone > > tell me how far from NYC this would be and if there is any trains that go > up > > there? I will fly in from Calif. but I don't want to drive alone up there. > So if > > there is another way I would appreciate knowing it. > > How long will it take to get there? Can I make it in a day? > > Looking for Whiffen's and Ferguson's mainly. Thanks, Carol > > > > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > > Contact the List Manager at [email protected] > > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ > > > > > > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at [email protected] > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ >

My guess is New York to Utica by train (Amtrak) would be about 4 hours since Buffalo to New York is 8 or 9 hours and Utica is about half way across the state. The train doesn't run every day of the week either. You couldn't get there and back in a day and still have much time to research. Chris Andrle ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Utica & Frankfort NY > I'm planning on doing some research in this area in August. Could someone > tell me how far from NYC this would be and if there is any trains that go up > there? I will fly in from Calif. but I don't want to drive alone up there. So if > there is another way I would appreciate knowing it. > How long will it take to get there? Can I make it in a day? > Looking for Whiffen's and Ferguson's mainly. Thanks, Carol > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at [email protected] > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ > >

Calvary United Methodist Church is located at 706 N. Madison St. Rome, NY 13440 315-336-3547

If the URL given has correct info the Rome State School was for the mentally retarded. Marcy State Hospital on the Utica Road a few miles from Rome was for those adjudged, and not always fairly, insane. A case in point. I recall two people one 18 years of age who had a "nervous breakdown" as it was called. She was far from insane. Another party, who had been a music teacher and possibly a bit different, definitely was not insane. She lived there so long she did not want to leave Marcy. G. M. Freeman Vincit Qui Se Vincit ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

It was an institution for those considered mentally retarded and was located just a little ways outside the then Rome City limits. Additionally, and these may have been satellite homes, there were seemingly private homes in Rome where such persons were housed. I can still recall seeing the men sitting on the porch of a large home. Whether the homes were owned by the State School or private individuals I don't know. Insofar as I can recall these apparently private homes were occupied only by men. G. M. Freeman Vincit Qui Se Vincit On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:26:26 -0600 [email protected] writes: >------------------------------ > CDate: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Linda Mc <[email protected] To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected] Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] what was Rome State School? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was looking though the 1930 ONeida County census records this morning, when I found one of my names listed as follows. There was a page of women listed, and along side of it was written, "All inmates of Rome State School" So, what was this 'school'? The ages were in their 20's and up to the 60's. That was all that was written there. Hope someone can help with this. The name I was working on was Cornelia Betsinger, I'm trying to trace her life. And ideas? Thanks, Linda ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

If I remember correctly, enumerators were instructed to call those on the premises of a boarding, or residential, school as either "boarders" or "residents". Kind regards, [email protected] ________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYONEIDA-L] what was Rome State School? The Rome State School is located just outside the City of Rome on Turin Road. Coming from the Thruway you will find it just prior to entering the City of Rome on the Right side of 365. It has been in in existence since 1875 and is 128 years old. It is a school for the Deaf and they have always had an excellent reputation for educating the deaf. When I lived in upstate NY this school participated in Sports (baseball, basketball etc) with some of the smaller High schools (that existed in the 50's) and had some great sports teams. They were not a part of any particular league, but it was a scheduled game for many of the high schools in the area. Remarkable what they accomplished. Regards Pat R ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Seeking parents names of Susan MULVENNA born ~1835 in Wales, married in 1858 in NY John HUGH [HUGHES] [1834 Wales-1919 NY, immigrated in 1836] and died 2 May 1917 in Barneveld, Trenton, Oneida Co., NY. They are buried in Mapledale Cemetery in Trenton, Oneida Co., NY, and are my 2nd great grandparents. Children born in South Trenton, Oneida, NY, were: ~Edwin] born 29 Dec. 1861 married Mary Evans GOUGE and died in the Fall of 1932 [my great grandparents]; ~Frank born about 1866; ~George born about 1871; ~Charles born about 1873; ~Jennie born about 1875. Sources are the 1880 and 1910 Trenton, Oneida, NY census. MANY THANKS for your help, Jan Jordan in VT

You are discribing the New York State School For the Deaf. That is not the Rome State School for the mentally retarded. Have A Great Day John S. Wilkinson Rome, NY -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYONEIDA-L] what was Rome State School? Hi The Rome State School is located just outside the City of Rome on Turin Road. Coming from the Thruway you will find it just prior to entering the City of Rome on the Right side of 365. It has been in in existence since 1875 and is 128 years old. It is a school for the Deaf and they have always had an excellent reputation for educating the deaf. When I lived in upstate NY this school participated in Sports (baseball, basketball etc) with some of the smaller High schools (that existed in the 50's) and had some great sports teams. They were not a part of any particular league, but it was a scheduled game for many of the high schools in the area. Remarkable what they accomplished. Regards Pat R ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== Contact the List Manager at [email protected] For List Rules visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006 click on Mailing List Visit the Oneida County Mailing List Surname Page at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006/oneida.html Visit the Oneida Co NYGenWeb Page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida

I'm planning on doing some research in this area in August. Could someone tell me how far from NYC this would be and if there is any trains that go up there? I will fly in from Calif. but I don't want to drive alone up there. So if there is another way I would appreciate knowing it. How long will it take to get there? Can I make it in a day? Looking for Whiffen's and Ferguson's mainly. Thanks, Carol

Pat, You are thinking of the NY state school for the Deaf. Not the one they are talking about that is on the corner of Rte 365 and Rt 26. It was the Rome State School, which Jack B. decribed very well. Betty > The Rome State School is located just outside the City of Rome on Turin Road. > Coming from the Thruway you will find it just prior to entering the City of > Rome on the Right side of 365. It has been in in existence since 1875 and is > 128 years old. It is a school for the Deaf and they have always had an > excellent reputation for educating the deaf. When I lived in upstate NY this > school participated in Sports (baseball, basketball etc) with some of the smaller > High schools (that existed in the 50's) and had some great sports teams. They > were not a part of any particular league, but it was a scheduled game for many > of the high schools in the area. Remarkable what they accomplished. > > Regards > Pat R > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at [email protected] > For List Rules visit http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006 click on Mailing List > Visit the Oneida County Mailing List Surname Page at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006/oneida.html > Visit the Oneida Co NYGenWeb Page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida >

Hi The Rome State School is located just outside the City of Rome on Turin Road. Coming from the Thruway you will find it just prior to entering the City of Rome on the Right side of 365. It has been in in existence since 1875 and is 128 years old. It is a school for the Deaf and they have always had an excellent reputation for educating the deaf. When I lived in upstate NY this school participated in Sports (baseball, basketball etc) with some of the smaller High schools (that existed in the 50's) and had some great sports teams. They were not a part of any particular league, but it was a scheduled game for many of the high schools in the area. Remarkable what they accomplished. Regards Pat R

Rome State School was what was called an "Insane Asylum" in the olden days before political correctness started to take root and they became mental hospitals. In the 1970's or 80's they either put the patients out on the street or housed them in small residential units and closed the school down. State School site is now a Medium security state prison. Neal Carrier On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Linda Mc <[email protected]> wrote: > I was looking though the 1930 ONeida County census > records this morning, when I found one of my names > listed as follows. > > There was a page of women listed, and along side of it > was written, "All inmates of Rome State School" > > So, what was this 'school'? The ages were in their > 20's and up to the 60's. That was all that was > written there. Hope someone can help with this. > > The name I was working on was Cornelia Betsinger, I'm > trying to trace her life. And ideas? Thanks, Linda >

In a message dated 6/24/2003 1:56:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Rome State School See the following site: <A HREF="http://www.disabilitymuseum.org/lib/subjects/Rome_State_School_For_The_Mentally_Retarded/">DHM: Library - Browse Results: Rome State School For The Mentally Retarded</A> Regards, JB

I was looking though the 1930 ONeida County census records this morning, when I found one of my names listed as follows. There was a page of women listed, and along side of it was written, "All inmates of Rome State School" So, what was this 'school'? The ages were in their 20's and up to the 60's. That was all that was written there. Hope someone can help with this. The name I was working on was Cornelia Betsinger, I'm trying to trace her life. And ideas? Thanks, Linda __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

I suspect that its successor is the First Free Methodist Church, 317 Embargo St., Rome NY. Phone 337-9743. It's a bit of a shot in the dark. G. M. Freeman Vincit Qui Se Vincit On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 02:00:20 -0600 [email protected] writes: >------------------------------ > X-Message: #1 >Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:47:27 -0400 >From: "PJ Anzalone" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Calvary M.E. Church, Rome >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I'm attempting to find some old church records, and have come across a >number of references to a "Calvary M.E. Church" in Rome, Oneida >County, NY. >I'm unable to find any current listing online... > >Does anyone know where I might be able to find additional information >or >where these records may be kept today? > >Thanks, >PJ > >-------------------------------- >End of NYONEIDA-D Digest V03 Issue #121 >*************************************** > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

I am searching for information about my ancestor WILLIAM SALTAR, who lived his final years with his daughter Sarah S. Mappa, in Trenton/Oldenbarnveld in the Mappa House (that is still standing.) He was born in Freehold, NJ in 1757, and died in 1853. WILLIAM, according to Stillwell's, Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, moved to Utica where he was an officer in the branch of the U.S. Bank. (I can't find any record of such.) In 1796, he and his father, Joseph Saltar, with others were appointed to attend to the lands of the Indians appointed to them. In 1801, near Oneida Lake, WILLIAM and two other men were appointed Commissioners to sell their lands. (I have found no record of this, either.) WILLIAM was the brother-in-law of Benjamin Walker, Baron von Steuben's aide and adopted son. One of his daughters married John Mappa and another married Asa Bill Sizer, Samuel Sizer's son. His wife Sarah died and was buried in Rome. With all this information, I still can't find any reference to WILLIAM's occupation, where he lived before joining his daughter in Trenton, etc.. If in your research, you have come across anything about WILLIAM SALTAR, I would appreciate hearing from you about it. Thanks in advance. Alice Pryor