Susan: Keeping in mind that there is no substitute for original research, I assume you have exhausted all of the usual avenues such as the Family History Library Catalog and searching microfilms on your research location ordered thru them, use of inter-library loan, local history societies & genalogical societies, Etc. Most professional genealogists will tell you what you can expect for their fee. They will tell you how much experience they have and if they feel qualified to do the job. There are genealogists who specialize in, eg., Irish Genealogy as well as other ethnic origins. This may play a key role in the quality of the result. Rates vary from $20 to $40 per hour plus expenses. You should receive a report detailing positive as well as negative search results. You should be kept informed about each result as it occurs. The professional should check with you for a decision to incurr more expense than you have pre-authorized. The more details you can provide as well as directions, the more you will be able to control your costs. It also helps to get recommendations. Good luck, Jim Hartigan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:49 AM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Hiring a Professional Genealogist? > Hello Oneida: > > I live in the Midwest and cannnot make the trip to NY state at this time, I > was wondering if anyone out there has ever hired or is knowledgable about the > proper way to hire a professional Geneaologist? What exactly will they do? > Will they walk a cemetery or two for you? What is the going rate? Do you hand > them a check list of people, places, dates, etc, and tell them what your > specific goal is? > > Anyone have any Successes? Failures? Observations? Suggestions? > > Slainte, > Susan > > > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at [email protected] > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ >

--=======3BA169DE======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-33A56822; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'd like to say a big THANK YOU to all of you who responded to my plea for help! I now feel much more confident heading out on my research on Monday. That first visit to a new town/city can be a bit disorienting! Mary --=======3BA169DE=======--

Hello Oneida: I live in the Midwest and cannnot make the trip to NY state at this time, I was wondering if anyone out there has ever hired or is knowledgable about the proper way to hire a professional Geneaologist? What exactly will they do? Will they walk a cemetery or two for you? What is the going rate? Do you hand them a check list of people, places, dates, etc, and tell them what your specific goal is? Anyone have any Successes? Failures? Observations? Suggestions? Slainte, Susan

Hi Mary, I don't know if the newspapers are indexed. When I visited Utica, I knew the death dates so I was able to find the obituaries that I needed. When I returned home to Wisconsin, I ordered the 1856 Utica newspaper through the inter library loan and could look at it for 30 days in my local library. I was able to find what the marriage that I was looking for. I wish youmuch luck in your research. Mary Kay

How are Whitestown and Whitesboro related to each other, if at all? Whitesboro is a village within the town of Whitestown ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- What is the scope of newspapers in Oneida back in the mid to late 1800's? (Here is more than you ever wanted to know regarding that subject:-) >From the 1869 Oneida County Directory: "The first newspaper published in the County was The Western Centinel, commenced at Whitesboro, in January, 1794, by Oliver P. Eaton, who was succeeded by Mr. Lewis, and afterwards by Lewis & Webb. The paper was continued about six years. The Whitestown Gazette was commenced in June, 1796, by Willam McLean. In 1798 it was removed to Utica and its name changed to The Whitesiown Gazette and Cato's Patrol, In 1803 it was purchased by John H. Lathrop and soon after merged in The Utica Patriot, commenced by Asahel Seward and Ira Merrill, Mr. Merrill continuing as editor. In 1811 it passed into the hands of William H. Maynard, and in 1816 it was united with The Patrol, commenced in January, 1815, by Seward & Willams, and the combined paper was published as The Patriot and Patrol, W. H. Maynard , editor, and Seward & Williams, publishers. In 1821 its name was changed to The Utica Sentinel. In 1825 it was united with the Columbian Gazette and published as The Sentinel and Gazette. In 1828 S. D. Dakin became proprietor, and in 1829 he sold to Rufus Northway and D. S. Porter. In 1831 Mr. Porter withdrew. In 1834 Mr. Northway united the Elucidator with it and changed its name to The Oneida Whiq. In 1848 it was merged in the Oneida Weekly Herald. In 1842 Mr. Northway commenced The Utica Daily Gazette. William Allen and R. U. Sherman were the editors. Erastus Clark, Wm. H. Underhill, Ezekiel Barron, Alexander Seward, H. C. Potter, J. M. Lyon, John Arthur, N. D. Jewell and Ellis H. Roberts, were successively interested in its publication. In January, 1857, it was united with The Utica Morning Herald and assumed the name of the UTICA MORNING HERALD AND DAILY GAZETTE, and is still published by Ellis H. Roberts. UTICA WEEKLY HERALD is issued from the same office, by the same proprietor. The Columbian Patriotic Gazette was commenced at Rome, by Thomas Walker and Ebenezer Eaton, in August, 1799. In 1800 Mr. Eaton retired, and in 1803 the paper was removed to Utica and published as The Columbian Gazette, and in 1825 it was united with the Utica Sentinel, by Wm. J. Bacon and S. D. Dakin. The Elucidator was commenced in 1829, by B. B. Hotchkin, editor, and W. Williams, publisher. It was united with the Oneida Whiq in 1834. The Oneida Morning Herald was commenced by R. W. Roberts, R. U. Sherman and George R. Colston, in November, 1847. A weekly edition was also published, called The Oneida Weekly Herald. In 1848 Mr. Colston withdrew, and in 1857 the papers were united with the Utica Daily Gazette. Utica Christian Magazine was commenced by the Oneida Association and Presbytery in 1813, and was published about three years. The Club was published at Utica by Henry Goodfellow & Co., about three months in 1814. The Civil and Religious Intelligencer was started in 1815, at Sangerfield, by Joseph Tenney. In 1825 it was changed to The Sangerfield Intelligencer, and in 1835 it was removed to Fabius, Onondaga County. The Utica Observer was commenced by E. Dorchester in 1816. In 1818 it was removed to Rome and its name changed to The Oneida Observer. In 1819 it was returned to Utica and its original name was resumed. A. G. Dauby, E. A. Maynard, Eli Maynard, C. C. Griffith, John P. Bush, John F. Kittle and A. M. Beardsly, were successively interested in its publication. In 1848 a daily edition was issued called THE UTICA DAILY OBSERVER. In 1853 the papers were united with the Utica Democrat and were published by DeWitt C. Grove until January 1st, 1867, when E. Prentiss Bailey became interested in the publication under the firm name of Grove & Bailey, by whom the paper is still published. The weekly edition is called the OBSERVER AND DEMOCRAT The Utica Democrat was commenced by John G. Floyd in 1836. It was successively published by Edward Morris, Jarvis M. Hatch and Benjamin Welch. In 1853 D. C. Grove became owner and united it with the Observer. The Utica Christian Repository (monthly), was commenced by Merrill & hastings in 1822, Wm. Williams, publisher. About 1825 its name was changed to The Western Recorder, a weekly religious paper, G. Tracy, publisher. The Baptist Register was commenced by Elders Galusha and Wiley. In 1825 it was published under the auspices of the Baptist denomination; Alex. Beebe, editor, and Cephas Bennett, publisher. In 1830 it was leased to Bennett & Bright for five years; and in 1835, the lease was renewed for seven years. In 1840. Mr. Bright withdrew. It was successively published by Bennett, Backus & Hawley, Dolphus Bennett, A. M. Beebe and. D. Bennett, and in 1854 it was sold and united with the New York Recorder, of New York City. The Baptist Sunday School Journal (monthly) was commenced in 1828 by C. Bennett. The Universalist (monthly) was commenced at Utica by Rev. J. S. Thompson, L. R. Smith and G. B. Lislier, in 1825. It was removed to Philadelphia the next year. The Western Sunday School Visitant and Christian Miscellany was commenced at Utica, by G. S. Wilson, in 1826. The Utica Intelligencer was commenced by E. S. Ely in 1826. In 1830 Joseph H. Buckingharn became editor, and Joseph Colwell, publisher, and in 1831 the paper was united with The Mechanics' Press, which was commenced in 1829 by J. M. Todd & W. Schram. The united papers were published for a time as The Utica Intelligencer and Mechanics' Press, by Joseph ColweIl, proprietor. The Utica Magazine was commenced in 1827. It soon passed into the hands of Rev. Dolphus Skinner, who issued it semi-monthly as The Evangelical Magazine. In 1830 he united it with the Gospel Advocate, of Auburn, and published it weekly as the Evangelical Magazine and Gospel Advocate. In 1851 it was merged in the Christian Ambassador, since published simultaneously in New York and Auburn. The Gospel Messenger was commenced at Auburn, by Rev. John C. Rudd, in 1827, and was removed to Utica about 1835 and published as The Gospel Messenger and Church Record. Wm. A. Matson succeeded Mr. Rudd as editor. He was succeeded by Rev. Wm. T. Gibson, D. D., the present editor. It is now published as THE GOSPEL MESSENGER, by Grove & Bailey. The American Citizen was published at Utica by George S. Wilson, in 1880, Bennett & Bright, printers. The Christian Journal was published at Utica in 1880, by E. S. Barrows. The Co-Operator, a semi-monthly, was published at Utica in 1882, by Quartus Graves; M. H. Bartlett, editor.. The Lever was published at Utica, by W. S. Spear, in 1832. The Oneida Democrat was commenced at Utica in 1833, and continued about two years. The Oneida Standard was commenced at Waterville in 1838. It was subsequently removed to Utica, and after the Democrat was discontinued it assumed the name of The Standard and Democrat, Quartus Graves, publisher. In 1835, on account of its abolition sentiments, the office was entered by a mob and a part of the type and furniture thrown into the streets. The Friend of Man was commenced at Utica in 1836, by the New York State Anti-Slavery Society; Wm. Goodell, editor. In 1841 Stanley P. Hough became editor, and in 1842 Wesley Bailey became proprietor, and united with it the Abolitionist, of Cazenovia, and changed the name to The Liberty Press. It was discontinued in 1849. The Utica Teetotaler was commenced by Wesley Bailey in 1849. In 1856 A. K. Bailey became proprietor. In 1858 it was united with the Ilion Independent, the new paper taking the name of The Central Independent, under which title it was published by G. W. Bungay and A. K. Bailey, editors, until 1860, when it was merged in the Utica Weekly Herald. Youth's Miscellany was published at Utica, by Bennett & Bright, in 1834. The Christian Visitant (monthly) was published at Utica, by A. B. Groosh, in 1835. The Talisman was published at Utica, by Bennett & Bright, in 1835. Mothers' Monthly Journal was published at Utica, by Kingsford, Bennett & Bright, in 1836. The Examiner was published at Utica in 1886, and The Freeman in 1837, both by E. Dorchester. Y CENHADWR AMERICANAIDD (a monthly) was published in Welsh at Utica, in 1832. In 1834 it was removed to Steuben, and has since been published by Rev, Robert Everett, D.D. Anti-Slavery Lecturer was published at Utica a short time, by Win. Goodell, in 1839. Y CYFAILL (Welsh) was removed from New York, by Rev. W. Rowlands, in 1841. In 1844 it was returned to New York. In 1854 it was removed to Rome, and in 1857 to Utica. It was published by Thomas Jenkins until 1861. From 1881 to 1867 it was published by Rev. Wm. Rowlands, D. D. It is now published by Mrs. Wm. Row]ands and edited by M. A. Ellis. Central New York Washingtonian was published at Utica and Rome in 1842. The Wesleyan Methodist was commenced at Utica, by David Plumb, in 1841. A paper known successively as the Cortland Luminary, Reformed Methodist Intelligencer and Fayetteville Luminary , was united with it and the name changed to the Methodist Reformer. In 1842 it was removed to Cazenovia, and soon after to Utica; W. Bailey, publisher. In 1843 it was merged in the True Wesleyan of New York City. The Utica Daily News, the first daily paper in Utica, was commenced by Joseph M. Lyon, John Arthur, C. Edwards Lester and Jarvis M. Hatch, in January, 1842. It was continued about seven months. The Uticanian was published a short time, by Squires & Soliss, in 1842. THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF INSANITY (quarterly) was commenced by Dr. A. Brigham, in 1843, and was edited for a time by Dr. T. R. Beck. It is now edited by the officers of the Asylum. The Washingtonian was published at Utica, by J. C. Donaldson, in 1843. Cysell Hen Wladyn Americanaidd (Welsh) was published at Utica, by E. E. Roberts, in 1843. Young Ladies' Miscellany was published at Utica, by Bennett, Backus & Hawley, in 1843. Seren Orllewinol (Welsh) was commenced at Utica in June, 1844. In 1846 it was removed to Pennsylvania. Washingtonian News was published at Utica, by Matteson Baker, in 1845. The Clinton Signal was commenced by Paine & McDonald in 1846. In 1848 its name was changed to The Radiator, and in 1849 the original name was resumed. In 1850 it was published as the Oneida Chief, by Ira D. Brown. In 1855 it passed into the hands of Francis E. Merritt, and in 1857 into the hands of John H. Osborn, who changed its name to the CLINTON COURIER. It was subsequently published by M. D. Raymond until September 1868. It is now published by Raymond Brothers. The Central News was published at Utica, by M. Baker, in 1846. Raul Gamer, (Welsh), a semi-monthly, was commenced in 1847 and issued one year. The Central City Cadet was started at Utica in 1849 by James & Howard. In 1850 it was changed to The Cadet's Banner, and was discontinued soon after. The Equalizer, a campaign paper, was published at Utica in 1850. The Opal, a monthly, was commenced in 1851. it was edited and printed by patients in the Insane Asylum. It is now discontinued. The American Free Missionary was removed from McGrawville to Utica in 1850 or 1851. The American Baptist was commenced by the Free Mission Society, in 1850; Wm. Walker, editor. In 1856 it was removed to New York City. The Diamond, a monthly, boys' paper, was published at Utica two months, in 1850, by A. K. Bailey, E. Wetmore and C. W. Butler. The Northern Farmer, monthly, was commenced at Utica in January, 1852, and continued until 1860. It was edited by T. B. Miner. THE RURAL AMERICAN was commenced at Utica in January, 1856, as a semi-monthly. In January, 1859, it was published weekly and continued to 1861. The publication was then suspended until 1863, when it was revived as a semi-monthly and continued until October, 1868, when it was changed to a monthly. T. B. Miner is its editor and proprietor. Mechanics' National Reporter was published at Utica a short time in 1851. The Utica Evening Telegraph was commenced by Thomas R. McQuade, J. F. McQuade, editor, in .May, 1852. In February, 1858, the office was burned. The publication was resumed in May and continued until May, 1867. The Scientific Daguerreian, monthly, was commenced at Utica, by D. D. T. Davis and Guerdon Evans, in January, 1853. Y Gwyliedydd (Welsh) was published at Utica, by a company, in 1854; Morgan Ellis, editor. In 1856 it was removed to New York City and united with Y DRYCH, which was removed to Utica in 1860, and published by J. W. Jones. The paper has a large and increasing circulation, and is the recognized national organ of the Welsh peopleof the United States. It is now published by J. Mather Jones. Young Folks' Advocate, monthly, was commenced at Utica in July, 1858. Edited by T. B. Miner. The Civil and Religious Intelligencer was published at Sangerfield in 1818. THE ONEIDA DEMOKRAT, a semi-weekly paper in the German language, was started in Utica, by Paul Keiser & Co., in 1853. It is now published by J. C. Schreiber. The Rome Republican was commenced by Lorin Dewey in February, 1825. Chauncey Beach succeeded as publisher in May, and in 1830 the paper was united with the Oneida Republican, which was commenced in June, 1828, by J. P. Van Sice, under the title of The Republican. In 1831 E. Moon purchased and enlarged the paper and changed the name to the Rome Telegraph. James N. Harris, John Boyd, H. A. Foster, and others, were successively interested in its publication. In 1838 it passed into the hands of R. Waldby, who changed its name to the Democratic Sentinel; Calvert Comstock, editor. In 1840 L. D. Dana became editor; and in 1845 H. T. Utley and S. W. Morton purchased it and changed the name to the ROME SENTINEL. In September, 1846, Morton sold to A. G. Rowley, and in 1847 Utley sold to A. G. Rowley & Co.; E. Comstock, editor. In 1850 Rowley became sole proprietor, and in January, 1852, sold to Elon Comstock. In July, 1861, Wood & Larwill became the proprietors, and continued its publication until December, 1863, when Warren & Beers became its publishers and continued until June, 1864, when it passed into the hands of Franklin D. Beers and Augustus C. Kessinger, its present publishers. Rome Daily Sentinel was commenced by C. & E. Comstock, in connection with the Rome Sentinel, in July, 1852. In October, 1854, D. E. Wager and D. C. Rowley purchased one-half, and in April, 1855, the remainder of the establishment. In 1860 its publication was suspended. The Vernon Courier was commenced in July, 1835. In 1840 it was removed to Rome, and its name changed to THE ROMAN CITIZEN; C. B. Gay, editor, and H. N. Bill, proprietor. J. K. Ken yon, J. P. Fitch, Alfred Sandford, George Scott, G. H. Lynch, A. D. Griswold and A. C. Sandford, were successively interested in its publication. In October, 1854, A. Sandford became sole proprietor. In 1855 the office was burned. The publication of the paper was soon after resumed by Mr. Sandford. In 1866 E. E. Carr purchased an interest and it has since been published by Sandford & Carr. The Compass was published at Verona in 1840. The Parlor Journal and Literary News Letter of Central New York (monthly) was published at Rome, by Graham & Co., in 1848. The Primitive Christian (semi-monthly) was published at Rome, by Rev. H. Mattison, in 1845. The Camden Gazette was published at Camden, by Munger & Stewart, in 1842. The Spiritual Magazine (monthly) was published at the Oneida Reserve in 1848. The Oneida Mirror was published at Camden, by Edward Pickard, in 1849. The Central State Journal was commenced in 1850, by L. W. Paine; S. S. Norton, editor. Its name was soon after changed to The Central New York Journal, and in January, 1853, to The Vernon Transcript; J. R. Howlett, proprietor. In Octo-ber, 1855, Niles Jewell became a partner; and in 1856 the paper was discontinued. The Boonville Ledger was commenced by James H. Norton, in March, 1852. It was subsequently published by Ela Kent. In March, 1855, L. C. Childs & Co. purchased it, and changed the name to the BLACK RIVER HERALD, and continued its publication until March 8,1862, when it was purchased by H. P. Willard, its present publisher. The Waterville Advertiser was commenced by R. W. Hathaway in 1851, The Empire State Health Journal was commenced at Rome, in 1851. The Waterville Journal was commenced in January, 1855, by A. P. Fuller & Co.; C. B. Wilkinson, editor. It was discontinued in March, 1856. Y Arweinydd (semi-monthly Welsh) was commenced at Rome in January, 1858, by R. H. Meredith, editor, and Thomas T. Evans, assistant editor. It was discontinued in 1860. SATURDAY EVENING TELEGRAPH was started at Utica in February, 1868, by David F. Ritchie, its present publisher. MANUFACTURER'S AND LUMBERMEN'S JOURNAL, an advertising sheet, was started in April, 1867, by the Wood & Mann Steam Engine Company. It is still issued monthly. THE TEMPERANCE PATRIOT was started in October, 1867, and is still published by W. M. Ireland, editor and proprietor. It is a weekly paper, the organ of the Independent Order of Good Templars, has a circulation of 4,000 and constantly increasing. THE WATERVILLE TIMES was started in 1857, by McKibbin & Wilkinson, who conducted the paper until 1860, when the office was sold to J. H. Yale, who continued its publication until 1860, who continued its publication until November 8th, 1866, when the paper passed into the hands of R. S. Ballard, the present proprietor. It is an independent journal with a circulation of 500 copies. The Northern Light was started by Johnson & Merritt, who were succeeded by O'Ferrell, who continued its publication until his death in 1853 or 1854. The Camden Freeman was started in 1860, by Orlando Squires, who continued the paper until February, 1861,when he sold out to E. Henderson, who changed the name to The Monitor, under which title he continued it until 1864, with the exception of a few months in 1863. In 1864 it passed into the hands of J. H. Munger, who issued it under the name of the CAMDEN JOURNAL and still continues its publication. Camden News was started in January, 1866, by Rev. W. S. Franklin, a Presbyterian clergyman, and C. C. Giles, from Canada. The paper was continued with some interruptions until May 1,1867, when, from lack of patronage, the subscription list was transferred to the Journal and the press removed to Coxsackie, on the Hudson River. Christian Weekly Monitor and Sabbath Morning Report was started in June, 1814, at Waterville, by Joseph Tenney. In 1816 it was united with the Civil and Religious Intelligencer, and was continued until 1833. THE GENERAL ADVERTISER was started ip May, 1866, by John Tillinghast, the present publisher. It is an advertising sheet and issued monthly at Utica." Regards, JB

The Town Clerk in the Town of Paris, Oneida County, NY, can give you the name, address, and telephone number of the lady who keeps/kept the records of the Sauquoit Valley Cemetery. The record keeper lives/lived in another town some miles north of Utica. My written correspondence to her, even when I enclosed a stamped, self-addressed envelope, was never answered. I then tried phoning her in an attempt to make arrangements to visit her and consult the records. I reached her husband, who said she was out shopping. My calls were never returned. I suspect this is a common problem with many older cemeteries. Individuals who serve as custodians of cemetery records are very good at keeping them safe--and private. The records are most likely handwritten, difficult to read, and fragile. Transcribing them so that the information can be shared is a thankless task--few people can spare that kind of time. Inquiries from genealogists are bothersome and time-consuming to handle, and they don't pay anything anyway. Plus, I know of no older ladies living out in the country who would feel comfortable allowing perfect strangers to visit them at home and pore through their priceless historic cemetery records. A record-keeper would perceive her job as keeping these records safe. Many cemetery record-keepers are not familiar with the Internet and remain suspicious of it and of the motives of anyone who might wish to share cemetery records on-line. Record-keepers who charge a fee for research into those records would understandably be reluctant to make them public, since that would result in lost revenue to them. Your best bet may be to ask the Town Clerk to ask the cemetery groundskeeper (who last I knew was the Town Clerk's husband) to look around while he is mowing the grass. But the cemetery is a big enough place, and many of its stones are so old and have become so unreadable, that encouraging a prospective Eagle Scout to organize a cemetery inventory may be the most productive alternative. Joanne Garland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lu Keef" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Sauquoit Valley Cemetery > Would anyone know where I might be able to find the records of the Sauquoit Valley Cemetery? > > Thank you. > Mary Lu Keef > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at [email protected] > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ >

Would anyone know where I might be able to find the records of the Sauquoit Valley Cemetery? Thank you. Mary Lu Keef

--=======508E16E4======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1BDD1C62; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi everyone! I'm really excited to be making a day-trip to Utica on Monday to research my family. My main places of interest are Utica, Floyd, Whitesboro and Whitestown. I have a few questions I was hoping you could all advise me on: City of Utica...the library has a collection of City Directories. How far back do they go? I understand there is a collections of newspapers on film; are any of then indexed? Does the Surrogate's Court cover only City of Utica or more? For Floyd, Whitesboro and Whitestown...is there anything similar to directories available? Where are Surrogate's Court records available? How are Whitestown and Whitesboro related to each other, if at all? What is the scope of newspapers in Oneida back in the mid to late 1800's? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! Mary --=======508E16E4======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1BDD1C62 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 --=======508E16E4=======--

Mary, You are unlikely to find an on-line obituary back that far. However, if you go about it systematically you can find out the name of the newspaper, the date the obituary was published, and the page number. First try to find the date and place of death. The Social Security Death Index (available on-ine at http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ ) lists one "Ann A. Alsheimer," b. 14 June 1911, d. 5 November 1998, last residence Pittsford, Monroe County, NY. (Pittsford is near the city of Rochester.) If this is the same person, and this person died in Pittsford, the Town Clerk in Pittsford, NY, would have the death record on file and could tell you the name of the newspaper in which an obituary would have been placed. It's worth a phone call. (While you're on the phone, ask the Town Clerk if he/she happens to have the phone number of the Public LIbrary in Pittsford.) Then phone the Public Library in Pittsford, NY, tell them you have a REFERENCE QUESTION (they may need to fetch someone else to take your call), and ask them which local libraries have that newspaper available on microfilm. (If you can do this by e-mail, even better. Just keep every message SHORT and SIMPLE.) Chances are that they have the newspaper right in their little library. That means they can answer your reference question. Tell them you have an obituary for a 1998 Pittsford death and you need only the name of the newspaper, the date the obituary was published, and the page number. Offer to call them back later (get the name of the person you're speaking with). [Or ask if they can handle this reference question by e-mail.] The reference librarian will probably say, "Sure, that'll be easy. What's the person's name and the date of death?" The information you need may not be available until the reference librarian can get to it, which might be later that day or the following day, but as long as you know when to call back and to whom you are speaking, you should have your information shortly. Since you already have the actual obituary, you should have no problem getting your question answered. (I had the same problem--obituaries snipped from the newspaper and stored in Grandma's photo box. But I found reference librarians to be worth their weight in gold--for them this is an easy problem to solve. They'll be glad you don't need a printout of the obituary itself.) Good luck! Joanne Garland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Walters" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 10:03 PM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] Not old Oneida Obit > --=======26422DC======= > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-820211B; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I was wondering if there were links to any local newspapers that had > obituaries online as far back as 1998. I am looking for the source of an > obituary for Augusta Ann Alsheimer . I have the text, but my > well-meaning relatives never mentioned where the obituary came from, and I > have only a general idea as to when the death took place. Any help would > be greatly apprciated. > > Mary > > --=======26422DC======= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-820211B > Content-Disposition: inline > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/2003 > > --=======26422DC=======-- > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at [email protected] > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/ >

Do the Rome and Verona church records possibly get back into the 1840's? Is there a list of paid researchers that I might contact to make a trip to the churches and read the records? I am searching for records on my ggg -grandparents, Marcus and Elizabeth Becker Warth and his son from a first marriage in Switzerland, Conrad Warth , as well as their son Marcus, jr. . Marcus and Elizabeth Warth and their youngest son , Marcus, are in the 1840 census in Lee, NY. Their son Conrad is running a newapaper and lives in Rome, NY. The family came to America between 1830 and 1833 from Glarus , Switzerland. They speak German , have 5 daughters that might have been spinners. 1. Verena Warth married J. E. Frederick Wendt in Newark, Essex Co. , NJ in 1835 at a German E. Lutheran Ch . Moved to Hamilton Co., OH in 1838. Settled in Newport, Campbell Co., KY. Fred is a blacksmith. 2. Elizabeth Warth that married Hilarious (Lawrence/ Larry ) Baumgartner in NY City in about 1834 . Lived in Woodbridge, NJ and Rahway, NJ . Larry is a blacksmith. Buried in the Rahway Cemetery. 3. Anna Catherine E. Warth,known as Catherine , that married William Conover in New Jersey in 1837, moved to Ohio in 1838-39 and Indiana in 1856. William is a plasterer from Middlesex Co. ,NJ . May be the son of William Conover , a painter and glazier in Newark , NJ in the 1830's. 4. Anna ? Warth that married ? Shindler/ Schindler and lives in Rahway, NJ in 1850 5. Dorothea Warth that we are unable to trace. Marcus and Elizabeth Becker Warth died by 1845 and leave Marcus the son . He is about 13 years old. I'm trying to find who was appointed as his guardian, no wills, as he doesn't appear in the records of his siblings and I have no info on the sister Dorothea Warth nor do I know what happened to the Shindler family after 1850. I appreciate all the help you have given me . Marie Ohio --- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 12:32 PM Subject: [NYONEIDA-L] German church records in Rome & Verona > I have recently discovered that 2 churches in Rome and 1 in Verona have old > records in German which have never been filmed by LDS [or anyone else]. As far > as I know, no transcription has ever been made. The churches are: > > The oldest records should be in this church: > St Peter's Lutheran Church > 4897 Old Oneida Rd, Verona, NY 13478 > Phone: (315) 363-5211 > > St John's Evangelical Lutheran > 502 W Chestnut St, Rome, NY 13440 > Phone: (315) 336-8090 > > Trinity United Church-Christ > 215 W Court St, Rome, NY 13440 > Phone: (315) 336-2833 > > I've spoken to the clerk at St. John's church - very nice and willing to have > people see the books. The clerk at the Trinity church is new, and the > minister is interim. I need to call her back. I haven't been able to reach the > Verona church. > > As I live in California, looking at these books is impractical for me. Is > there anyone who can read the German and who would be willing to check them for > me? I think the information I'm looking for is in the Verona church. The > surname I'm researching is HOFMANN/HOFFMAN, and the family immigrated in 1872. > > Actually, I'm hoping that a local gen. or historical group might be able to > make a project of filming/transcribing these records. It's such a shame that > this hasn't been done. > > Thanks. > Brenda > > > ==== NYONEIDA Mailing List ==== > Contact the List Manager at [email protected] > Oneida Co Surname page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/oneida.html > List Rules http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~myplace/mailing.html > Oneida Co Genealogical & Historical Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/

At 04:47 PM 8/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Is there any chance that Wetmore Cemetery (on Albany Street in the town of Frankfort) and Old Sauquoit Cemetery (in the town of Paris) could be one and the same? I am not familiar with the area and have no idea whether or not this is a possibility. > >Thank you. >Mary Lu Keef I'm pretty sure they could not be the same. The old Sauquoit cemetery -- I believe you are talking about the cemetery on Pinnacle Road, close to the Mohawk Street intersection; the "new" Sauquoit cemetery is on Church Road). Although Frankfort borders Sauquoit, they are (as you already pointed out) in different townships and, in fact, in different counties. Marsha Strong

--=======26422DC======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-820211B; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was wondering if there were links to any local newspapers that had obituaries online as far back as 1998. I am looking for the source of an obituary for Augusta Ann Alsheimer . I have the text, but my well-meaning relatives never mentioned where the obituary came from, and I have only a general idea as to when the death took place. Any help would be greatly apprciated. Mary --=======26422DC======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-820211B Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/2003 --=======26422DC=======--

I hope the list owner lets us all read the "A Prayer for Policeman" If not, please send it to me privately. ~Claire SD --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Is there any chance that Wetmore Cemetery (on Albany Street in the town of Frankfort) and Old Sauquoit Cemetery (in the town of Paris) could be one and the same? I am not familiar with the area and have no idea whether or not this is a possibility. Thank you. Mary Lu Keef

Re: German records at St. Peter's Lutheran Church in Verona: I have had contact with them. They have a (very overworked) volunteer historian who has been very courteous and helpful to me, abstracting information and sending copies of some original material in German, which she cannot read. The wait time was long, but worthwhile! Their letterhead says they have a web site at <A HREF="www.st-peters-lutheran.org">www.st-peters-lutheran.org</A> (which appears to have just crashed while I was looking at it a moment ago) and a general e-mail address at [email protected] Bob Looking for SCHOOLER / SCHULER in Verona / Rome, and related families.

I have recently discovered that 2 churches in Rome and 1 in Verona have old records in German which have never been filmed by LDS [or anyone else]. As far as I know, no transcription has ever been made. The churches are: The oldest records should be in this church: St Peter's Lutheran Church 4897 Old Oneida Rd, Verona, NY 13478 Phone: (315) 363-5211 St John's Evangelical Lutheran 502 W Chestnut St, Rome, NY 13440 Phone: (315) 336-8090 Trinity United Church-Christ 215 W Court St, Rome, NY 13440 Phone: (315) 336-2833 I've spoken to the clerk at St. John's church - very nice and willing to have people see the books. The clerk at the Trinity church is new, and the minister is interim. I need to call her back. I haven't been able to reach the Verona church. As I live in California, looking at these books is impractical for me. Is there anyone who can read the German and who would be willing to check them for me? I think the information I'm looking for is in the Verona church. The surname I'm researching is HOFMANN/HOFFMAN, and the family immigrated in 1872. Actually, I'm hoping that a local gen. or historical group might be able to make a project of filming/transcribing these records. It's such a shame that this hasn't been done. Thanks. Brenda

I would like info on all BOWNE born,married,died 1800s to present thanks Audrey Bowne Seattle [email protected]

My father, Joseph Dee Vosburgh was a Utica Policeman from 1939 to 1969. He became a Policeman to honor his father, who died on the Force at age 45 in 1939. Amongst my father's belongings I found "A Prayer for Policeman" which I would like to share. I don't know if this is permitted on the list or not. He carried it in his wallet for all of those years. It isn't overly religious. It speaks of a Policeman's duty to his community, to his honesty, to the risks he takes. Deanna

Seeking parentage and more information of Aaron Wright b. ca 1770-1780 place unknown, d. 1839 Whitestown, Oneida Co., burial place not found. No will or Letters of Adm. in Oneida Co. He married Catherine Barend/Barent b. 20 Nov. 1789 New Brunswick, Rensselaer Co., NY, or bapt. there and born Dutchess Co. (per 1855 Census). Catherine d. 1880 in Putnam Co. Ill. Known issue: George W. Wright 1827, m. Hannah Delong, resided Putnam Co., Ill Lucy ca 1831, d. ibid Loren Wright? ca 1812, m 1847 Lucaney DeLong in Putnam Co. Deanna

Isaac Hetherington, b. England 1767, died 1857 in North Gage, T/ Deerfield, Oneida Co. 1857. He married 1794 Norway, Herkimer Co., NY to Mary/Polly Read, dau. of unknown. Issue: John 1795-1866 N. Gage, m. Catherine Forbes William 1798-1884 N. Gage, m. Lucy Salisbury Nancy 1802-1895 m. Cornelius Schermerhorn Mary 1807-1833 m. Henry Smith of Deerfield, b. 1806, d. Irving, Chautauqua Co., NY 1891 and is buried in North Gage Cem. They had one son Jason Lathrop Smith who died in Ks. Henry M. (2) Eleanor Starring and they had: Dwight Hayden who m. Luana Elizabeth Smith, dau. of John R. and Caroline Robbins Smith; Gilbert who res. and died in Irving, Chaut. Co., Sarah who m. Hiram Sackett. Need proof of Henry's parents. Possibly could be John and Margaretha Weaver Smith of Herkimer Co., Deerfield and possibly Cattaragus Co., NY Isaac Hetherington 1809-1824 N. Gage Sally Maria c1823-1887, m. Malcom A. Blue Robert 1816, d. 1897 Florence, St. Joseph, Mich. m. Margaret Gilhams and/or Julia Steele of Trenton, NY Eliza m. John Owens Jane An LDS member placed information on this family at the familysearch.org site but Submitter's name not given. It appears to be a Bible record. Hopefully that person is checking the Oneida Co. Mailing list and will contact me. Deanna