Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/512 Surname: Bates ------------------------- I wonder if your Obediah Bates and mine are the same. I don't have all the children for my Obediah Bates - so I don't know the daughter's name that married Luther Green. Obediah Bates was born in 1795 in NY or b 12 April 1794 m: Ruth unk. B c1797 NY. Obediah Bates appears 1830 CENSUS Town of Van Buren Children of Obediah Bates and Ruth: i. Issaac Paddic Bates b: May 12, 1824. in Carmillis, Onondaga. Co. New York d: 12 June 1915 in Michigan m: Elizabeth "Betsey" Ann Bell. 4 March, 1848 Middleport, Magain, Co. Town of Royalton by Rev. William Colley. (my line) ii. Obediah Martin BATES, aka: Martin Bates born 9 July 1826 in Hillsdale County, NY; died 28 March 1905 in Adrian, Lenawee County, MI.buried in North Dover Cemetery, Dover Twp., MI, Married 1: Huldah and had 1 son: James Martin Bates b 17 Jul 1848. Married2 on 4 March 1849 to Charlotte MINZIE. Charlotte MINZIE (or MINZEY/MENZES) was born in Jefferson Twp., Schoharie County, NY on Sept. 1830; died 20 July 1911 in Adrian, Lenawee County, MI. They had 10 kids, iii. Ruth Ann BATES (AFN:1BKT-NR4) Born: 14 Dec 1828 New York Died: 9 Dec 1896 Virginia, Bates, Missouri m: James PILGRIM 1 Jan 1846 New York, James Pilgrim was probably born in England in 1819, . He was naturalized in IL.Together they had 10 children iv: Ephriam Bates lived near Hudson [MI]; no children notes: Letter to Ethel Schlicter Spike, g/d of Issac Bates & Betsy Bell. " I am afraid I can not give you much help about the Bates family history, for I never met any members of the family outside of your grandpa’s immediate family, and never heard much about them. Have heard your Uncle George speak of his Uncle’s Ephriam and Martin who lived near Hudson and one of his Uncle Martins boys that was named G. E. after him. Of course, his uncles have been dead many years, Uncle Ephriam had no children and Uncle Martins children are scattered. Your Uncle Geo. met Geo. E. , his cousin, in Muskegon a number of years ago and because of their name being alike found out their relationship, but did not keep up the acquaintance, and I don’t know any more about him than that. Think he told your Uncle Geo. that the family was scattered and I have no idea where they are. Your Grandpa Bates [Isaac], had at least one brother, I think more, who lived in Illinois, his father [Obediah] living with them. He went to Ill. a good many years ago to visit his father[Obediah] who lived with one of his sons, he also had a sister who lived in Wis. and she visited there at the same time. Of course, they are all gone many years ago, and I know nothing about their families. Have heard your Uncle Geo. say that one of your ancestors was an English sea captain, but don’t know how far back, but it must have been at least his great grandfather." (Letter from Ella Bates Lake Orion, Mich.., July 23, 1933 "Uncle George", Ella's husband, was son of Isaac Bates, g/s of Obediah Bates. )