Hi Vee, Thank you for letting me know about the marriage records and census. Hutton and Tristam were living in Port Dalhousie, Ontario, - they crossed the river and married in Youngstown. I was hoping there might be a county court clerk that might have the records for 1860. But, I guess no luck. Thanks again for the help. Bill NYNIAGAR-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > NYNIAGAR-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 199 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Flaglers of Niagra Falls and Ontar ["Sandi K." <Tenderjaw@aol.com>] > #2 How do you order Marriage Records [<bjhutton@uswest.net>] > #3 Re: How do you order Marriage Reco ["Vee L. Housman" <housman@adelphia] > #4 Help needed- St. Mary's Catholic C [Kcornstub@aol.com] > #5 Early Settlers of WIlson, Niagara [CAhobbies@aol.com] > #6 St Mary's [Monarch50@aol.com] > #7 Niagara County Pioneer Association ["Vee L. Housman" <housman@adelphia] > #8 Souvenir History of Niagara County [Rosemary Alewine <rca3102@idcnet.c] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from NYNIAGAR-D, send a message to > > NYNIAGAR-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Flaglers of Niagra Falls and Ontario > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:19:12 -0700 > From: "Sandi K." <Tenderjaw@aol.com> > To: NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries > Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/321 > > Surname: Flagler > ------------------------- > > My grandparents were Stephen and Virginia Flagler who lived and had Flagler > family in Niagra Falls, New York in the 1960's. Stephen was originally > from around the Toronto Canada area and had family also in this area. He > had a sister Katherine in Canada, a sister Pearl in Niagra Falls and a > brother in Niagra Falls. Wallace has since moved to Florida. > > His wife Virginia Flagler was from the Cranberry/Tupperlake area where > she had a sister Cleo Beckman. > > I am interested in finding in finding their family heritage. This seems > to have been a fairly large family with the brothers and sisters having > their own families so it is possible that one can connect with this side > of the Flagler family. I am interested with those people who can connect > with this Flagler lineage. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: How do you order Marriage Records > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:08:31 -0700 > From: <bjhutton@uswest.net> > To: NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello list members, > > My great grandfather, Richard HUTTON, married Margaret > TRISTAM, in Youngstown, New York, August 16, 1860. > > Would someone please tell me where I would get a copy of > this marriage record. Where do I call or write, and how > much does it cost? > > Many thanks, > Bill > bjhutton@uswest.net > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: How do you order Marriage Records > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:15:23 -0400 > From: "Vee L. Housman" <housman@adelphia.net> > To: NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Dear Bill, > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bjhutton@uswest.net> > To: <NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 4:08 PM > Subject: How do you order Marriage Records > > > Hello list members, > > > > My great grandfather, Richard HUTTON, married Margaret > > TRISTAM, in Youngstown, New York, August 16, 1860. > > > > Would someone please tell me where I would get a copy of > > this marriage record. Where do I call or write, and how > > much does it cost? > > > > Many thanks, > > Bill > > bjhutton@uswest.net > > I'm afraid you're out of luck regarding a marriage that took place in 1860. > Both the Village of Youngstown and the Town of Porter records only go back > to the 1880s. I checked what church records still exist and none of them go > back that far either. In addition neither of those two surnames appears on > the 1850 and 1860 census records of Town of Porter. > > Good luck in your family research. > > vee housman > youngstown, ny > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Help needed- St. Mary's Catholic Church Lockport, NY > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:22:07 EDT > From: Kcornstub@aol.com > To: NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello! I am new to your list and need some help. I am researching my > maternal grandfather's family who lived in Lockport NY. The family surname > is RITZENTHALER. > > In looking at the Niagra County NY website, I found Ritzenthalers listed in > the baptismal records of St. Mary's German Catholic Church. I plan to write > to the church but in trying to find an address, I found that there are 2 St. > Mary's listed in the phone directory. One is at 25 Walnut Street and the > other is at 5 Saxton Street. > Can anyone tell me which of these churches is St. Mary's German Catholic > Church? > > Do you know if they have the old baptismal records and would provide me with > copies of them or the information found on these records? > > Thank you in advance for your help. > > Kim Cornstubble > email address: kcornstub@aol.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Early Settlers of WIlson, Niagara Co, NY > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:51:48 EDT > From: CAhobbies@aol.com > To: NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello everyone! > There are early town histories in "Souvenir History of Niagara County", > originally published by the Pioneer Association of Niagara County in 1902. > We've talked of that reference before on this list. > > I photocopied some pages of the later Second Edition published by the Niagara > County Genealogical Society in 1986. Looking over the pages for the town of > Wilson, NY (pgs 133-144) -- there are some early settlers listed. > > Here, I've not done a direct transcription. Instead, I've pulled out the > names of the settlers - put them in alphabetical order - then added the year > of settlement if one is listed. This way, you can find your surnames easily. > If you see a name that is potentially "yours", then you have yet one more > clue to investigate or one more bit of data from which to build your > particular family's history. It also might help narrow down "what part" of > Niagara County your people were in... in the early 1800s! Keep in mind that > the source clearly states that these pioneers are "among those we've been > able to learn". Thus, don't assume this is an all-inclusive list! > > [Side question: does anyone here on the list know anything about the > original "Pioneer Association of Niagara County"?] > > So here we go -- > > Early Settlers of Wilson, NY. > [Names found & rearranged from pg 134 of Souvenir History of Niagara County, > New York - 2nd Edition.] > > AIKEN, Joseph > ASH, George -- 1810 > BARBER, Henry -- 1815 > BARBER, Moses > BARNARD, Erastus -- 1810 > BIXBY, David > BIXBY, Hul > BRADLEY, Lemuel > BURGESS, David > CARTER, John -- 1815 > COLE, James --- 1818 > CROSSMAN, Abner > CUDABACK, John -- 1813 > DOUGLASS, Benjamin -- 1817 > HAZE, John -- 1817 > HUTCHINGS, Abram -- 1816 > KEMP, Burgoyne > KNOWLES, Richard -- 1815 > KNOWLES, William -- 1815 > LOCKWOOD, Henry > McCHESNEY, Henry S. ("The Doctor") > McCHESNEY, Robert L. ("The Squire") > MEEKER, James -- 1815 > PARMELEE, Col. E. H. ** > PEASE, John U. > PORTER, David -- 1813 > PRATT, Nathan -- 1815 > SHERWOOD, Nathan -- 1817 > SHELDON, Stephen -- 1809 > STEVENS, Adam -- 1815 > STEVENS, Elisha > TOWER, David -- 1818 > TOWER, John -- 1818 > TOWER, Stephen -- 1818 > WILLIAMS, Joshua > > ** "who served under Gen. Scott at Lundy's Lane" > > The book goes on to add some additional names... tied to what it calls > "current residents"... and again, I'm pulling and putting into alphabetical > order. Keep in mind that "current" would mean as of the time of > the original work.. and thus 1902. > > CROSBY, Peter > HOLMES, Daniel > HOLMES, John > PETIT, John > PETIT, William O. > > Of course there is another name not seen yet on the above lists, but clearly > important for the town - and is indeed the namesake.. ie: Reuben WILSON. > Two of his sons are mentioned on pg 134 - Orrin (first white child born in > the town) and Luther (first marriage - to Sarah Stevens). This work credits > Luther WILSON with starting the "village" of Wilson, donating the land for > Greenwood Cemetery, and more. > > ----- > > Hope this was helpful! > debbie > CAhobbies@aol.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: St Mary's > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:00:27 EDT > From: Monarch50@aol.com > To: NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi Kim, > > I grew up in Lockport and I knew St Mary's RC to be on Saxton Street--part of > the old big bridge area. Saxton makes a odd angle, but Walnut is the street > right behind it. I believe the rectory and school faced Walnut. I went to > school with a Jane RITZENTHALER. We graduated in 1967. It seems to depend > on the church how much info is on the baptismal. Hope this helps. > > Bonnie > McDermott/Robinson/McHugh > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Niagara County Pioneer Association > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:31:09 -0400 > From: "Vee L. Housman" <housman@adelphia.net> > To: NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Dear Group, > > This evening Debbie asked for information about the history of the Niagara > County Pioneer Association. And because I have my own copy of the original > published edition of the book that she referred to, I just sat down and > started to transcribe what I could about its history. However, when I > realized to total length of that chapter in the book, I gave up in midstream > and just summarized from there on. > > Debbie, I think that the following will give you an idea what the > Association was all about. It sure opened MY eyes! > > vee > youngstown, NY > > The following is extracted from Souvenir History of Niagara County, New > York, published by the Niagara County Pioneer Association, 1902. > > Niagara County Pioneer Association > Compiled by Frederick F. Purdy > > A work of this character, issued on the twenty-fifth anniversary of the > organization of the Niagara County Pioneer Association, would indeed be > incomplete without at least briefly recounting the growth of this unique > institution of Western New York, where, each year at Olcott, gather old > friends from the ends of Niagara County by the thousands to greet each > other, and where political fortunes are made and unmade. > > The roster of the presidents of the association includes some of the most > eminent citizens of the county, past and present, and indicates the high > place the Pioneer Association has had during all these twenty-five years in > the esteem of the people of the county. The first president was Hon. John > Van Horn, who was followed successively by Hon. Franklin Spalding, Hon. Guy > C. Humphrey, Colonel George L. Moote, John G. Freeman, Hon. John Hodge, > Elisha B. Swift, Hon. Benjamin F. Felton, Hon. Lee R. Sanborn, Hon. John E. > Pound, Hon. Thomas V. Welch and the present incumbent, Hon. Peter A. Porter. > > This sketch could best be written by Andrew Ten Brook, whom everybody knows, > from Youngstown to Wolcottsville and from Somerset to the Tonawandas. But > the work would then have such a flavor of autobiography and call for the use > of so many capital "I's" that the modest founder of Pioneer Association > insists that this duty shall devolve upon the writer. Consequently, with > data which we have secured from him together with some of his personal > reminiscences, we assume this task of compilation, rather than of > authorship, with less diffidence than would be the case under any other > circumstances. > > Andrew Ten Brook, though thoroughly alive to present, carries with him the > memory and the atmosphere of a former day. His name and his lineaments > betoken his sturdy Dutch and Knickerbocker ancestry. Indeed, it has been > suggested by people in whose minds Irving's charming Knickerbocker History > of New York is fresh that the indefatigable promoter of the Pioneer > Association has jumped right out of some of its pages. But be that as it > may, whatever reverence he may have for the past, he is still an earnest > worker and effective advocate of the purposes for which the Pioneer > Association was formed. > > Early in the summer of 1877 Mr. Ten Brook read in the Lockport Journal a > notice of the projected formation of a Western New York Pioneer Association > at Attica. Recognizing the value of such a society to the pioneers of the > County of Niagara, he projected the formation of the organization. He > conferred with a number of citizens on the project . . . and they and others > viewed the project favorably and advised Mr. Ten Brook to call a meeting. > Although only six men attended the meeting, Mr. Ten Brook went right ahead > and issued the call for the first picnic of the "Pioneer Association of > Niagara County." It was held at Olcott; and inasmuch as 1,500 people > attended, and it was the first effort, it may well be regarded as a success. > In 1878 the attendance had risen to 5,000. In 1888, when the log cabin was > formally dedicated at Olcott, the attendance was 10,000. In 1900, when > Governor [Theodore] Roosevelt was the speaker, the throng numbered 20,000. > In 1901 the attendance was 25,000. > > ----- > > Note: the history of the Pioneer Association of Niagara County then goes on > further for over five more long pages in the large book. Current (1902) > officers were listed from all the individual towns of Niagara County and in > reading over that list, I recognize a great number of names as being > descendants of the very earliest settlers of Niagara County. > > What happened to the Pioneer Association after 1902? I don't know. I feel, > however, that the spirit of those annual picnics at Olcott continued for > many years afterward and if you would ask some of the real old-timers of > this county, you might find a few left that have warm memories of the huge > picnics at Olcott, even if they were only little girls and boys at the time. > I have the feeling that Olcott was a very special magical place in the early > part of the 1900s. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Souvenir History of Niagara County > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:43:33 -0500 > From: Rosemary Alewine <rca3102@idcnet.com> > To: NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Does anybody know if this book is still available for purchase through > the Niagara > County Genealogical Society? I am a member but I don't recall seeing > anything on as far as it being available. I would certainly be > interested in a copy. > > Rosemary > Delavan, WI