Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/NY/Niagara/241 Surname: ------------------------- The Niagara County Genealogical Society Library at 215 Niagara Street, Lockport, NY 14094 has and sells the 1860 maps. They also have several Niagara County villages/cities. The library is located in the same building as the Niagara County Historical Society (this is not the same as the Niagara County Historian.) The Genealogy Society is all volunteers, the Historical Society has a paid curator, and the County Historian is a county employee who happens to be an expert on the county history. Ellen Colangelo

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/NY/Niagara/240 Surname: ------------------------- Carol Clark: I do not have any info on your Arnold family but I sure would like to have a copy of the 1860 Niagara County map as some of my family are buried there and they also lived in Royalton I understand. Could you mail me a copy or tell me where I could write to get one. Will send an address after I hear back from you. Hope you get the answers you want - soon. I just made a major breakthrough on my family - what a boost to my enthusiasm to not give up. Ruby in Albuquerque, NM rtemple@thuntek.net

When I attempted to obtain the death cert. of my older sister who died last year, my request was returned with a form letter that said I could not receive it as she had not been dead 75 years & I am not one of her children nor parent nor husband. So, if you are a direct descendant of the person AND it has been 75 years or better, you then can obtain the information from the State of NY. Not even the hospital or the funeral parlor can give you the information as it is against the State law, or so I was told. Charles Matheson, Sr. matheson@texas.net

This is a follow-up message. Zona --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Gordon A. WATTS" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: CENSUS-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:00:18 -0700 Subject: [CENSUS-CHAT] Cabinet Shuffle and Release of Report of Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census Message-ID: <006601c00a20$b0c1dc60$17f635d1@telus.net> Greetings All. My thanks to Wayne Cook for bringing to our attention the Toronto Star report of a pending Cabinet Shuffle. FYI the following email has just been sent to John Manley, currently Industry Minister. Happy Hunting. Gordon =========================== 19 August 2000 The Honourable John Manley, PC, MP, Minister for Industry House of Commons, Parliament Buildings OTTAWA, Ontario, K1A 0A6 Dear Mr. Manley. The Toronto Star of 19 August 2000 headlined an article reporting the possibility of a Cabinet shuffle as early as the day following Labour Day. Among the positions listed, of those who could be moved, was your own name as Industry Minister. Mr. Manley, the possibility of you no longer being Industry Minister increases dramatically the urgency of the release to the Public of the Report of the Expert Panel on Historic Census. On behalf of the many thousands of Canadian citizens who, without access to Post 1901 Census records, may never be able to determine their ancestral origins, I again urge the immediate release of this report. Do not throw away the time and use of Public funds spent in the commission of this report by having it die with your removal as Industry Minister. Your immediate and personal response is respectfully requested. Thank you. Sincerely Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Canada Census Committee =========================== Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@telus.net Port Coquitlam, BC Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7843/poll.html Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petitions now from http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm This posting has been sent to Alberta-L, British-Columbia-L, Can-British-Columbia-L, Census-Chat-L, Colchester, Lunen-Links-L, Nova-Scotia-L, Ontario-L, PictouRoots, Roots-L, Watts-L, and Wiltshire-EMI-L mail lists. Permission to forward without notification is granted.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" <brustay@rochester.rr.com> To: "Ellen Keyne Seebacher" <niagara@unchi.org> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 8:02 AM Subject: Re: State Records > According to the "International Vital Records Handbook" by Thomas Jay Kemp, > 3rd ed., the NY vital records section has records of births, marriages & > deaths from 1881 to present & divorces from 1963, except those that occurred > in NY City or those that occurred in Albany, Buffalo or Yonkers prior to > 1914. For those 3 cities, you should write to the City Clerk in the City > Hall of that city. > > The NY State address is: > NY State Dept. of Health > Vital Records Section > Corning Tower > Empire State Plaza > Albany, NY 12237-0023 > > Prices listed for certified records are as follows, but I have found > variations, so I'd recommend checking the NY genweb site to double check: > > Birth $15. > Marr. 5. > Divorce 15. > Death 15. > Duplicate copies ord. @ same time $5. > > Hope this helps. > > Carolyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ellen Keyne Seebacher" <niagara@unchi.org> > To: <NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:17 AM > Subject: Re: State Records > > > > > Could someone tell me how far back NYS's records are available for > > > births, deaths, and marriages? > > > > A state law was passed in 1880 mandating _all_ cities and towns to > > keep birth/marriage/death records, but compliance was spotty (50-90%) > > for over a generation; a stricter law had to be passed in 1915. > > > > Earlier birth, death, and/or marriage records are available in a few > > jurisdictions (including NYC, Albany, Brooklyn, Buffalo, Rochester, > > Syracuse, Utica, Yonkers) though they aren't directly relevant to > > Niagara County research. However, you might find a *few* marriages > > from the 1847-1850 period: an 1847 state law required registration > > of marriages, and most jurisdictions tried to comply for a couple of > > years, though eventually everyone just gave up. (If anyone knows of > > an index to Niagara County marriages for this period, *please* share!) > > > > > > Ellen <niagara@unchi.org> > > > > > > ==== NYNIAGAR Mailing List ==== > > The New York State Archives and Records Administration is at > > <http://www.sara.nysed.gov/>. > > > > >

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/NY/Niagara/239 Surname: ARNOLD ------------------------- I have a copy of the 1860 Niagara County map. My gggfather Peter Arnold 2nd is on there along with his uncle Peter Arnold TH. I noticed that there are a lot of names with TH after them and was wondering if anyone could tell me what the TH stands for. I would also welcome any information about either Peters. 1)my gggfather: Peter Arnold m. Elizabeth Blosser 2)his uncle: Peter Arnold m. Margaret Fisher

Mailing list administrators, surname researchers: This is a great place to find information. Zona@cyberservices.com --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: DearMYRTLE@aol.com To: DEARMYRTLE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:52:06 EDT Subject: [DearMYRTLE-L] USGenWeb's National Search Engine Message-ID: <dd.890b872.26ceede6@aol.com> DearMYRTLE's DAILY GENEALOGY COLUMN BEST of the Internet for Genealogists Award! USGenWeb's National Search Engine DearREADERS, Finally, a few hours with decent weather (AKA no lightening!) so I've been browsing around and finding some neat genealogy things to report. Of particular interest is the USGenWeb National Search Engine which is located at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm When I clicked on the "National Search Engine" I found a search screen illustrated below. [See graphic in the web version of this column.] >From this you can see I may search all the USGenWeb text archives for: -- any/all -- long/short presentation of "hits" when looking for ancestors anywhere in the country! To illustrate the process, I typed in the surname WEISER, clicked the "Search" button and received the first eight of 498 matches. I scrolled down and double clicked on the blue underlined hyperlink to a text file which was described briefly as: "[bell0001.txt] ... THE SUSQUEHANNA - INDIAN TRIBES - THE SUSQUEHANNOCKS - DELAWARES - ALLUMAPEES - THE SHAWANESE - THE IROQUOIS - SHIKELLIMY - INDIAN TRADERS - CONRAD WEISER - MISSIONARY EFFORT A COMPREHENSIVE survey of the topography..." Since I recognized the CONRAD WEISER as my ancestor, SHIKELLIMY as the Native American who befriended him, and the other tribes as part of those my ancestor had shared experiences with, I decided to click on that entry. I DISCOVERED TH ELINKED PAGE WAS QUITE LENGTHY, Bell's History of Northumberland County, PA - THE COLONIAL PERIOD. (Chapter 1) a file contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Tony Rebuck. IT PROVED DIFFICULT TO find the reference to WEISER, so I had to take a different approach. I decided to employ the "Find" option of my web browser, located under "Edit" on the menu bar. In my illustration, I've used AOL 5.0 but it works similarly with other web browsers. [See graphic in the web version of this column.] If you want to "FIND" a word on a web page, the steps include: 1. Click EDIT on the web browser's menu bar 2. Type in the word you want to search for, in my case the surname WEISER 3. Click the FIND button 4. You'll be taken to the first "hit" or "match". As you click the FIND button again, you are taken further down the page to the next reference, and so forth. In my case, I found the following reference: "...on the 20th of July, 1747, Conrad Weiser wrote: "Allumapees would have resigned his crown before now, but as he had the keeping of the public treasure (that is to say, the council bag), consisting of bolts of wampum, for which he buys liquor, and has been drunk for this two or three years almost constantly, and it is thought he won't die so long as there is one single wampum left in the bag." I can COPY this write-up, along with the: -- author -- book title -- web page address (URL) -- and contributor's name and PASTE it into notes for my ancestor CONRAD WEISER in my genealogy program. This process should be done on each of my ancestors. That will most certainly keep me busy for a while! Myrt :) DearMYRTLE, Daily Genealogy Columnist AOL Keyword: roots or myrtle www.DearMYRTLE.com -------------------------------- copyright 2000. All rights reserved. An easier-to-read web version of this column appears at: http://www.dearmyrtle.com/00/0814.htm To post a message on this topic, go to Myrt's Message Board located at: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Special/DearMYRTLE Can't Click? Copy and paste URL to your web browser. ==== DEARMYRTLE Mailing List ==== THANKS to RootWeb for sponsoring this mail list! http://www.rootsweb.com

Dear Group, Vee's niece, Debbie, called me a little while ago. Prayer works! Vee went into surgery at noon today and came out around 4 PM. (There was no plastic surgery because it would have involved 3-4 operations.) Debbie said she looked good but, of course, was groggy. She wanted us all to know that she came through with "flying colors" (the military is always apart of her.) One of the nurses told Debbie that she will probably remain in the hospital 3 or 4 days. Debbie, also, said that balloons, flowers, etc. would be nice at the house, when Vee gets home. (I got the impression that this is "family time" right now. Besides, post op and recuperation is when a person really needs the up lifting.) I have printed off all the e-mail you sent in answer to my first message; and am going to mail them to Debbie to take up to Vee. (Vee and Debbie live in the next village west of where I live.) She will be delighted to receive them. Keep those prayers going up! Ellen Colangelo

I have a book called "NY marriages previous to 1784" which I would be more than delighted to do lookups out of. My thought is: If I have a book, then there must be records. It is Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 67-30757. The book says that it was originally published in 1860. My copy has a copywright date of 1967. Rose

I just talked last week with the Niagara County Historian, Mr. Dickinson, and inquired as to whether Niagara County Clerk's Office had the 1847-1850 vital records that are available for both Orleans and Otsego Counties. That was the only period of time registration of vitals was done until it was accomplished state-wide in 1880. Mr. Dickinson is looking into this. I know for a fact they were done for the Towns of Royalton and Hartland in Niagara County because there are excepts for some of those towns in the file card box at the Niagara County Historian's Office. He is intrigued by this possibility and said he will definitely pursue. For those interested in seeing what the 1847-1850 vitals look like, take a look at the Orleans County GenWeb site where they are posted on-line in full. Sharon Poole Sherrick

In a message dated 08/18/2000 1:18:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, niagara@unchi.org writes: << ... <snip> ... an 1847 state law required registration of marriages, and most jurisdictions tried to comply for a couple of years, though eventually everyone just gave up. (If anyone knows of an index to Niagara County marriages for this period, *please* share!) Ellen <niagara@unchi.org> >> Ellen and all, This is a topic I am very interested in. I've never seen or heard of any marriage index for Niagara County, although I'd love to know it actually exists! <g> A question: I've wondered aloud here on the list before about what "value" particular types of local information would be of most value to researchers. I listed several ideas... and brainstormed aloud about what folks like me (remote from NY) might do on a volunteer basis to begin to collect those things that ultimately all could search on to find their ancestors. Although Vee and I conversed privately about it via e:mail, there was no response here on the list about it. (Wasn't quite sure how to interpret that... Maybe I just have crazy ideas!) We could then either post here to the list - or better, get them posted on the county webpage for online searching. Seems to me that we are all challenged by similar needs for data in Niagara County. Access to probate is covered. I'm just getting into the Holland land records and the data exists... albeit just not in straightforward ways. Naturalizations, etc are available via FHC. Seems like there is a hole for locally held BMDs (civil) - and local church records (speaking now of those not microfilmed by FHC). (I have three examples already!!) I also know that local funeral homes have hardcopy cards or files... and an "index" created from that data could be useful. So back to the question at hand: Niagara Co Marriages. (or any of the above record types) -->> Would it be possible to work with each town to create an index of names/dates/location by "event type"? For anyone living "locally"... (me being in California!)... how receptive would any of the Niagara Co Towns be to sending xerox copies of indexes (if they exist)... if I pay for copies/mailing... then I could bit by bit create an index for a given town. (I would start in Wilson, given how much family research I have to do there!). Is this in the realm of reality? Do even paper indexes exist at the town level? (If yes, transcribe them... if no, create them) Could any/all of us chip away at this? No matter how long it takes... it would at least put a dent in everyone's ability to "search for" ancestors in Niagara County! Can you all tell I have marriage records I want to find? <vbg> On the other hand, I could just list myself as available for "lookups" in the two Wilson histories I have from the Historical Society... or... ask their permission to publish the index of names from those two publications.... (sigh... just brainstorming again...) Anyway... would be interested in your thoughts.... with the marriage note you just made, Ellen.... it got me thinking about indexing what local town halls "have".... and getting that publically available. Folks could then follow up locally to get the actual record... but would at least know what names are "there" - when - for what. debbie CAhobbies@aol.com

Hi, I thought I would forward this for those of you who might also have relatives in Orleans county. ----- Original Message ----- From: <HollisCan@aol.com> To: <NYORLEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 9:25 PM Subject: "NEW" Orleans County Genealogical Society forming! Come Join Us!!! > Our oganizational meeting is planned for Sunday, September 10th, 2000, 7 p.m. > We will meet at the DAR Chapter House in Albion, NY on the corner of N. Main > and Linwood. > > We welcome and encourage online members! Just e-mail me if you are > interested! Holly > > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ > >

> Could someone tell me how far back NYS's records are available for > births, deaths, and marriages? A state law was passed in 1880 mandating _all_ cities and towns to keep birth/marriage/death records, but compliance was spotty (50-90%) for over a generation; a stricter law had to be passed in 1915. Earlier birth, death, and/or marriage records are available in a few jurisdictions (including NYC, Albany, Brooklyn, Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Utica, Yonkers) though they aren't directly relevant to Niagara County research. However, you might find a *few* marriages from the 1847-1850 period: an 1847 state law required registration of marriages, and most jurisdictions tried to comply for a couple of years, though eventually everyone just gave up. (If anyone knows of an index to Niagara County marriages for this period, *please* share!) Ellen <niagara@unchi.org>

i remember a genealogy workshop some years back entitled "NEW YORK: Black Hole of Genealogy". and of the smaller black holes that make it up, Niagara County is one of the blackest. -- I don't make jokes. I just watch the government & report the facts. ~Will Rogers ---------- >From: niagara@unchi.org (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) >To: NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: State Records >Date: Fri, Aug 18, 2000, 1:17 AM > >> Could someone tell me how far back NYS's records are available for >> births, deaths, and marriages? > > A state law was passed in 1880 mandating _all_ cities and towns to > keep birth/marriage/death records, but compliance was spotty (50-90%) > for over a generation; a stricter law had to be passed in 1915. > > Earlier birth, death, and/or marriage records are available in a few > jurisdictions (including NYC, Albany, Brooklyn, Buffalo, Rochester, > Syracuse, Utica, Yonkers) though they aren't directly relevant to > Niagara County research. However, you might find a *few* marriages > from the 1847-1850 period: an 1847 state law required registration > of marriages, and most jurisdictions tried to comply for a couple of > years, though eventually everyone just gave up. (If anyone knows of > an index to Niagara County marriages for this period, *please* share!) > > > Ellen <niagara@unchi.org> > > > ==== NYNIAGAR Mailing List ==== > The New York State Archives and Records Administration is at > <http://www.sara.nysed.gov/>. > >

Could someone tell me how far back NYS's records are available for births, deaths, and marriages? Thanks, Evelyn ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

i think it depends whether you mean state records in Albany or the individual counties and towns. Albany is a black hole, you can send in your money, wait half a year or more, then come up empty. best thing to do is first try to find records with town clerk. be warned, they can charge exorbitant fees...in newfane town, for example, some years back i think i was paying sixteen bucks per record, and not even getting a copy of the record, just an 'abstract' with incomplete info and, in one case, they transcribed the name wrong...put 'Jos or Jon' for my gg gf's father but when i got the original (forget how i managed THAT!) it was Jas (James). highway robbery on price is bad enough, but paying for inaccurate info? if you do have to resort to Albany...all i can say is to quote St. Augustine: "The reward for patience is...patience." :) -- I don't make jokes. I just watch the government & report the facts. ~Will Rogers ---------- >From: evelyn b cooper <ebcooper@juno.com> >To: NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: State Records >Date: Thu, Aug 17, 2000, 7:05 PM > > Could someone tell me how far back NYS's records are available for > births, deaths, and marriages? > > Thanks, > > Evelyn > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ==== NYNIAGAR Mailing List ==== > > >

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/237 Surname: Taylor ------------------------- I am seeking information on Frederick F. Taylor the author of "Genealogical Record of Some Descendants of Stephen Taylor of Ancient Windsor", as well as this source. I have only 7 pp of this genealogy which is an interview with Florence Whitmore Taylor, wife of Hurlburt Clement Taylor of NY and Ill. She was a member of the DAR and a lineal descendant of Aaron Taylor b. 11 June 1776 Town of Palatine, Montgomery Co., NY,the son of Aaron Taylor b. Sheffield, Mass. 21 May 1740 who d. Gorham, Ontario Co., NY 1791/2. Aaron Jr. d. Molyneaux Corners, Niagara Co. 24 Aug. 1832. He married Betsey Boughton (1776-1840). Their son Frederick was b. 29 April 1807 Victor, N.Y. and died at Cambria Center,Niagara Co. Feb. 1880.He m. Mary Mary Hine cooper (1809-1887). Frederick had a son Amasa Leander Taylor b.13 Mar. 1847 Molyneaux Cor. d. Lockport NY 17 Oct. 1912. Wife was Florence Comstock (1858-1919). They had a dau. Blanche Taylor b. 31 Dec. 1884 Cambria Center, NY and died at Le Grange, Ill 19 Feb. 1955. Their dau. Blanche Taylor was b. 31 Dec. 1884 Cambria Center and d. LA Grange Ill. 19 Feb. 1855. She m. Hurlburt Clement Whitmore, b. 8 Jan. 1880 Lockport, NY, d. there 23 Sept. 1924. Dau. Florence Whitmore Taylor. She died in Ill. Dec. 1977 leaving siblings: H. Clement Whitmore, John T. Whitmore and a sister Mrs. Elmer J. Egensperger. Florence had the 7 page document pertaining to this family of which I have a copy. I am attempting to locate living descendants of Florence and of Frederick F. Taylor, the Author in the hopes of locating his complete work. He interviewed Florence in 1890. His residence unknown then; however, in 1915 he was the Vice President of Met. Life with offices in NY City. In 1911/12 he resided on 141st St. NY City.

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/236 Surname: TRIER ------------------------- I have received information that my deceased gr grandfather on my father's maternal side, John Jacob TRIER, was b in Buffalo, NY 2 July, 1838. After much searching, I have come to the conclusion that instead of Buffalo, NY, Erie Co. He was either b or lived in Niagara County until he left for IA to marry his bride, Mary Lorena AMES, who was from Ausable, NY. I am positive of the spelling of his last name because my father, Robert TRIER Coonley , was names after his mother, who's maiden name was TRIER. Any help would be appreciated. Seems as though I can only get so far with this name & no further. Would be interested in John's parents as well...but guess I am dreaming. Have found that he could very well be on records as Jacob TRIER because many Germans dropped the first name (usually they were named after saints) & took on their middle names. I would appreciate any information which anyone could come up with!!! Best Regards, Jennifer Coonley-LaBonte' in AZ

Dear Group, Vee's niece, Debbie, e-mailed me the following, dated last night: "Dear Ellen, "Please post to the Niagara Co. list for me: "Auntie Vee had to be at the Veterans Hosp at 12:00 today for her "surgery. At 2:30 they came and took her down. About 45 min later "the Dr came and told me the surgery would have to be postponed "until they could get her blood pressure down to a safe level. So again "we wait for another day. I will know first thing in the am when it "should be. Auntie Vee seems OK." "You have no idea how your thoughts and prayers are helping her through this. You're such a wonderful caring group." "I will continue to let you know how she's doing when I get home from the hospital on a daily basis. Thanks for your concern." "Debbie" Thank Heavens that God knows better than we do what He is doing! This whole problem has been going on since early May. And everytime that it appears Vee is on the right road, a block pops up. Please keep praying. The last time I spoke to her, she was pretty well stressed out and told me she didn't know how else to pray. I told her to just lay back, relax and rest on our prayers. (I am an ordained minister and have observed that often people under duress do better if they just trust in the prayers of others.) Please continue to hold her up... I'll continue to keep you posted, according to what Debbie relates. Ellen Colangelo

I received the following from on another list and thought you would like to check it out. Unbelievable! Pam ____________________________________________ Subject: Re: Portland Maine - The Desecration Capitol of the World For everyone that loves genealogy and knows how important cemeteries are and the respect they should get. Please go to this site and then email the Portland Maine officials to let them know that this is wrong. They have changed a cemetery into a park, a park for dogs, where the owners can bring their dogs off leashes. The email address to show that we are a small world and we do care about cemeteries. Send your e-mail to: Mcd@ci.portland.me.us=20 Go to this site and take a look for yourself http://www.interment.net/column/commentary/20000624/western.htm