i have to ask, what is Beef on 'Weck'? -- "...the hardest thing in this living world is to confront your own pain and go through it, but somehow life is not a paltry thing after all next to this child's inheritance of eternal black." ~Lester Bangs, "Peter Laughner", New York Rocker 1977 ---------- >From: "Vee Housman" <housman@adelphia.net> >To: NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Lunch with Carol and Bill >Date: Sat, Feb 10, 2001, 9:26 PM > > Dear Group, > > I had a very special lunch today with Carol (Greenwald) and Bill Scouler > from Niagara Falls who now live in Massachusetts. They're members of our > list and over the past year or so Carol and I have exchanged memories of Mr. > Atkinson's Dancing Class and other such old memories of Niagara Falls, and I > have done a bit of local research on her Greenwald family from LaSalle (you > know, Greenwald's Hotdog stand! The best hotdogs ever!!) Well, today was > the day that we finally got to meet each other. > > We agreed to meet at D.J.'s Restaurant on Main Street in Youngstown at > precisely 12:30 p.m. I made certain I got there a few minutes early and I > waited in my car in front of the restaurant for them to show up. Shortly > thereafter, a car with a man and women in it parked nearby and I just knew > it must be them. I got out of my car and waved to them. They waved back > and got out of the car. However, comma, another car pulled up just then and > parked and I noticed that it had Massachusetts license plates on it-AND it > had a man and woman in it! Whoops, I had waved at the wrong couple! > > Carol and Bill got out of their Massachusetts car and I got a chance to > finally hug both of them. We headed for D.J.'s and so did the other couple. > I apologized to the other couple and let them know that I really didn't know > them-it had been my mistake. However, the woman corrected me! Hey, Vee, it > 's me Doreen Roth from High School! Oh MY GAWD, DOREEN!! And there I stood > with my Niagara Falls High School Class of 1949 yearbook in hand to show > Carol and Bill-and there was Doreen whose picture was in it!! > > The four of us entered D.J.'s, I introduced Doreen to Carol and Bill, and > then Doreen and I babbled a bit about how exciting our 50th class reunion > had been. She asked me if I had seen the pictures that had been taken of me > when I was the "Ginger Rogers" of the dance floor that evening and when I > told her that I hadn't seen a one, she promised she would mail them to me. > Oh my, what an evening that was! > > Carol, Bill and I then sat down in the coziest section of the little > restaurant-the smoking section. It had a lovely view of the Niagara River > and even though there weren't any sailboats moored out in the river, it was > the best scenery that I could scrape up at this time of year for them. > > All three of us promptly ordered Beef on 'Weck and then Bill dove into my > yearbook. He had graduated in 1951 but he knew that he would know some of > the kids in it. Oh boy, did he ever! Not only that but Carol had dated > some of the guys in the yearbook and between the three of us, we had a great > old time talking about mutual acquaintances and teachers-especially our > Physics teacher, Mark R. Bedford! In addition, there was a couple "our age" > sitting at the table next to us who was thoroughly enjoying our conversation > and a lot of laughs were exchanged between our two tables. They were total > strangers but by the time they left, we all exchanged warm goodbyes. > > Carol and Bill and I sat at the table long after we had finished our lunch. > All three of us talked about Jack Viele who all of us had known-both Carol > and I had responded to the query about him that showed up on the list-and, > well we just talked and talked as if we had known each other forever. > > And so there you have it. Just a Saturday lunch at D.J.'s in Youngstown > overlooking the Niagara River with two people I had never met. Now why do I > get the feeling that it was something beyond just an "ordinary" lunch?? :-) > vee > > > > ==== NYNIAGAR Mailing List ==== > Looking for a dead-end Niagara County ancestor? Check the WorldConnect > Project, <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/>, to see if an unknown > cousin may be able to help! > >

Dear Group, In this morning's Niagara Gazette I got a shock when I read the obituary page. I read that Thomas J. Cottonaro, 86 years old, of Ashland Avenue, Niagara Falls, NY, died Wednesday, February 7, in Niagara Falls Memorial Medical Center after a year long illness. Who was Tommy Cottonaro? He was our very special Munchkin and was known around here as the Mayor of Munchkin Land. Why? Well because he had been a film actor and was one of the Munchkins in the original 1939 movie, The Wizard of Oz. Actually he was the Bearded Man of the Munchkins. He was the last surviving Munchkins of the Wizard of Oz. I had seen Tommy around town over the years but I especially remember him when he was the manager and maitre de at Hardings Restaurant here in Youngstown in the 1970s. He was such a charming gentleman and was modest along with it. What I didn't know was that he was born in Castrogiovanni, Italy, had come to Buffalo as an infant and graduated from Buffalo Technical High School and Cornell University Food Service School. And aside from the number of movies he acted in from 1939 to 1955-the Gazette reported that he had actually played the part of Cheetah in a Tarzan movie!-most of his life revolved around the restaurant business. He met his wife of 45 years while filming a TV pilot in California and since then it seems that his remaining life was devoted to the food service business in this area. He was loved around here and in 1991 the Niagara Falls City Council officially declared May 1 as "Tommy Cottonaro Day" in the city. I was especially touched by what his wife Elizabeth (Billingsley) Cottonaro said about him, "I can't say enough about all the things he taught me. It was a wonderful, wonderful life." We'll all miss our Munchkin. (sigh!) vee

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Wills Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/NiagaraWill/47 Surname: MILLER ------------------------- Hi, No, I'm sorry, but I don't. I sent away to Erie co. for this MILLER probate record, but it turned out it wasn't the line I'm looking for. I decided to post what I had to these boards to help others. The record that is posted is exactly what was in the probate record and all that was in the probate record. Sorry I can't be of more help. Best of luck.

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/534 Surname: HURLBUT, LEWIS, SPENCER ------------------------- I am looking for information about Orson Hurlbut born in 1820and his wife Elizabeth Spencer. His parents were Amos Hurlbut & Elizabeth (Betsy) Lewis (born about 1800)of Alleganay Co., Ny. If you know of my family, write back to me.

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/NY/Niagara/533 Surname: Hole, Gould ------------------------- Looking for data re Edwin Hole who married Mary Ann Gould in Devonshire England, came to Niagara County about 1850. Had a daughter Emma M. Hole in Middleport. Edwin and Mary Ann are buried in LeValley Cemetery north of Middleport. Any cousins out there?

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/532 Surname: GRIMES, COLEMAN ------------------------- Searching for information on Peter Gimes b. Buffalo, NY, and his wife, Margaret Coleman b. Ireland, Margaret died in Niagra Falls, Niagra Co. NY in 1908. All children went to an orphanage at the time of thier mothers death.

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/531 Surname: Cooper ------------------------- Found Sarah Cooper in the 1820 Census of Niagara County - she was in the 16-26 age bracket (only female listed) also she was the head of the family and living with her was a up to 10 Male, and to 45 - Male. Sarah was born 1802. Can some one tell me who her parents were.

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/530 Surname: BAKER ------------------------- Looking for any information on Grover BAKER, son of Joseph and Anna BAKER of Town of Newfane, Niagara County. He was born in 1893, and it is believed he went into a business in Buffalo, NY. That's all I know of Grover, so I'm hoping someone will be able to give me some leads. Thank you; willing to share my BAKER information.

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/528 Surname: ARLINGTON, BAKER ------------------------- Do you know David and Olive (BAKER) ARLINGTON of Lockport? I know nothing more of this couple, except Olive was the daughter of Joseph and Anna BAKER. Any leads would be appreciated. Willing to share my BAKER information.

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/527 Surname: BAKER, HUMPREY, ANDERSON, KELLY, ARLINGTON, WUNDES ------------------------- My Joseph S. BAKER was born in 1859 to John and Elizabeth BAKER. He grew up in the town of Newfane in Niagara County. He first married Anna HUMPREY in 1881. They had 5 children: Helmer (1884), Grace (1887) who married Luverne ANDERSON of Ohio, Etta (1890) who married Frank KELLY of Detroit, Grover (1893) and Olive (?) who married David ARLINGTON of Lockport. After Anna died, Joseph married Agnes WUNDES in 1911. They had 6 children: Helen, J.S., Flora, Fanklin and Dorothy. If you can help me find any of this family, I would appreciate it.

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Wills Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/NiagaraWill/46 Surname: MILLER ------------------------- Would you have any further information on the Lydia Miller of Niagara County mentioned in this will?

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/525 Surname: Cole, Jones, LAY, LIBBY, RUMERY, STANNARD, TURNER ------------------------- What is the parentage of Mary (TURNER) LAY born 1796 Connecticut- died & buried 1851 Leroy Twp.,Calhoun,Michigan married Benjamin LAY who was born 1792 Connecticut died & buried 1844 Leroy Twp,Calhoun,Michigan? Had issue Marriett A. LAY, married in Calhoun county Lysander COLE; Nancy Mariah LAY & Elizabeth Jane LAY, both married in Calhoun County Sylsbry RUMERY; Lewis Abner LAY married Sarah Jane ___?; Jane LAY, married a JONES. *Husband Benjamin LAY was the son of Daniel & Hannah (STANNARD) LAY. LAY family migrated from Connecticut>Schoharie County New York>Niagara County New York>Calhoun County Michigan. *Jonathan RUMERY was the son of Jonathan & Eunice (LIBBY)RUMERY both born Maine, lived Holland Purchase, buried Chestnut Ridge Cemetery, Lockport, Niagara, Maine

Dear Judy AND Carol, Wow, what a list of 1922 graduates! I can only assume that the Harry Abate that graduated that year is the Harry F. Abate that the elementary school in Niagara Falls is named after. And the Willard Belden that also graduated that year is Willard, Sr., the father of my classmate Willard, Jr. (Binx) Belden. They're the Beldens of Belden Real Estate and Binx is also a now-retired attorney. Regarding Hertha Kinghorn of Youngstown, I know that I have old newspaper articles regarding her engagement and marriage. Her father was a blacksmith. Ransom Rice was the father of my classmate Ransom/Randy Rice. BTW, Binxie Belden married Randy's sister!! In looking over all the surnames of those graduates of 1922, I spotted so many family names that still live on in this area. Thanks to both Judy and Carol for putting that list on line--AND thanks for those BEAUTIFUL old pictures of Niagara Falls High School. They're an absolute treasure! The beautiful building still stands but we're afraid it will be torn down in the near future. If it's demolished, it will be an absolute sin. vee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Baillargeon" <jabaill@qwest.net> To: <NYNIAGAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 4:46 PM Subject: Niagara Falls High School > Hi, > I recently put a list of graduates from Niagara Falls High School > (1922,1923,1924,1925,1926) on my Genealogy Web Page. If any one would > like pictures e-mailed to them of relatives, I have explained how to do > that on the site. Also, would love to have lists from other early > years. Thanks, Carol Greenwald Scouler, for your help. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~baillargeon/ > > Judy Baillargeon > > > > > ==== NYNIAGAR Mailing List ==== > Were your ancestors in Niagara County by 1860? You might find their > names at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyniagar/extras/1860.html>, > transcribed from 1860 county maps! >

Seeing Judy's post about Niagara Falls high school I thought I would ask if anyone has any information on the high school(s) in Olcott or in Newfane if there was not one in Olcott in the late 1920s. My father was born in 1908 so would have graduated from high school around 1926 or so. His name was Charles Jackson "Bill" Leonard, his parents were Grover and Irene Leonard of Olcott. Any info would be much appreciated! Chris in CA -- The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is NOW. ~folk saying

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/524 Surname: PETER GRIMES, MARGARET COLEMAN ------------------------- SEARCHING FOR INFORMATION ON PETER GRIMES AND MARGARET COLEMAN OF NIAGRA FALLS, NIAGRA CO. NY. MARGARET WAS BORN IN IRELAND, DIED IN NIAGRA FALLS IN 1908, MAY BE BURIED IN SACRED HEART CHURCH CEMETERY. PETER GRIMES DIED IN BUFFALO NY, AFTER 1938. ALL THEIR CHILDREN WENT TO AN ORPHANAGE AFTER HER DEATH IN 1908, DO NOT KNOW WHICH ORPHANAGE.

From Judy: << ... I recently put a list of graduates from Niagara Falls High School (1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1926) on my Genealogy Web Page ... <snip> ... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~baillargeon/ >> Hi Judy and all, Fabulous idea! Only problem is, I can't get into the site. Got the following error message: << This Web page could not be opened. The page uses a version of HTTP that is not supported by this Internet online service. HTTP defines how your Web browser responds to commands. Please contact the owner of this Web page for more information. >> I suspect this is because I am on AOL and thus use my IE browser "from inside" of AOL as my ISP? However, I access many other rootsweb hosted sites. Anyone else have any problems? Judy, have any other AOL users had trouble getting onto your site? debbie (muttering about the mysterious world of computers! LOL) CAhobbies@aol.com

Hi, I recently put a list of graduates from Niagara Falls High School (1922,1923,1924,1925,1926) on my Genealogy Web Page. If any one would like pictures e-mailed to them of relatives, I have explained how to do that on the site. Also, would love to have lists from other early years. Thanks, Carol Greenwald Scouler, for your help. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~baillargeon/ Judy Baillargeon

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/523 Surname: ------------------------- Looking for ancestor John BUSH b.1802 NY or PA; son Darius Harrison BUSH b. 1827 Somerset, Niagara co, NY. Both later moved to WI

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/522 Surname: Kelsey ------------------------- I am looking for someone who has access to records of LeValley Cemetery, Middleport. According to cemetery web site one of the surnames is Kelsey. I would like to know what the given names of these Kelsey's are that are buried in this cemetery. One of my ancestors died in 1849 in Middleport, Niagara County. Thank you for any help that you can give.

Posted on: Niagara Co. NY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Niagara/520 Surname: Godfrey ------------------------- I am trying to find info on my ancestors. My GGGrandparents David and Ann came from England between 1845-1849. They lived in Niagra County until the mid 1850's. In the 1860 census they had moved to Manistee County, MI. Ihave been unable to find David or Ann's parents names or the city they were from in England. Is anyone familiar with these people? Also, they had a son, William, who was born in England. After the 1850 census, I have been unable to find him. I don't know if he maybe moved in with reletives or died. He was about 5 yrs old in 1850. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Tricia