The same New York City vital records indexes (and other indexes too) are online on both the www.Italiangen.org and www.Germangenealogygroup.com websites. All New Yorkers are indexed, regardless of national origin. Since you are close to Salt Lake, you could view microfilms there of all the indexes and also the individual certificates -- and take any photocopies you need. As I recall, Salt Lake has all the same films that the NYC Municipal Archives has. Much cheaper than going to NYC! J Torre ----- Original Message ----- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:03:20 -0600 From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] NYNEWYOR Digest, Vol 2, Issue 145 To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <01be01c819d8$43603cf0$0b00a8c0@desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original That might fit, but he is of German extraction- his father was German and his mother from Alsace-Lorraine. Is this Phillip Italian? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Torre" <jtorre@prodigy.net> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] NYNEWYOR Digest, Vol 2, Issue 145 > >From the NYC grooms index at www.italiangen.org, a Phillip Sherrer > >married in Manhattan 1 Oct 1882 (manhattan certificate #16519). Could > >that be your Phillip? > > Also if you order the death index film for 1885 from Salt Lake, you could > look for the two 1885 death certificate numbers. Or, since you have > burial dates, it should be easy for the Municipal Archives to find the > death certificates for you. > > For the 1890 Manhattan Police Census, you must know the address to > determine which census volume you want. I'm not familiar with what is on > Ancestry for it, but genealogy libraries generally have the book (whose > name and author I've forgotten) which matches addresses to the appropriate > census volume and LDS microfilm. > > Good luck, J Torre