In the 1870 NYC census, it lists James (33), Julia (26), Julia (2), William (10), and Katie (5). In 1880 NYC census, it lists James (42), Julia (37), William (19), Julia (11), Catherine (9), Grace (6), Flora (2). (James Walker Hay was born in Scotland.). The only birth certificate I never got was of their child William, born in 1861. On the birth records of the other children it says the mother, Julia, was born in NYC, Some say her maiden name was Holmes, others that it was O'Connel, on her death record, it says she was born in NJ. Baptismal records from the Catholic church have the following godparents: Charles E. Homes, Mary A. Quinlan, John Hay, Julia Lanning, Albert O'Connell, Rose O'Connell, William H. Hay, Margaret Auger. According to church records, there are no witnesses (so said the person that sent the information) for the marriage of James and Julia in 1870. After reading the above, I guess what I need is to get the birth certificate of WILLIAM (O'CONNELL or HAY) born in 1861 in NYC. Maybe that would have a clue as to exactly who my Julia was. I certainly would appreciate it if SKS would be able to find that birth certificate for me, and tell me what it says. LOL Thank you, Heidi <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.