Sue, On census records I've seen, when they state NY as place of birth, they usually mean New York City, especially the pre-1900 ones...again meaning NY County = Manhattan. Barb ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)