No, thats not it. They were in the pauper section but they had bought the graves. the deed is there. Staff at the office checked because they were also surprised there was a deed for that part of the cemetery. Apparently about 11 of the the 150+ plots there were actually sold / bought...this being one of them. Their plat, or whatever they have there, indicates that at one time there had been stones placed. That section ceased to be used about 75-90 years ago. The few stones which did not totally fall to ruin are lined up agains the fence there. So, they were not in pauper graves, they were in the very end row of the pauper section, with about 10 deeded graves around them. as far as time, he died 1865 and was moved 7 yrs later in 1872. She died 1869 and was moved to where he was placed in 1872 except she was moved in 8 yrs after her death, 1877. Gabriele ----- Original Message ----- From: sadiegirl06@comcast.net To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Evergreen Cemetery / Brooklyn Gabriele, I think, for what it's worth (about a penny), that you might be getting hung up on that card to much. It might have come from a relative or grandchild and was just saved as a token of a nice day spent with whom ever. But you are right about the burials in NYC by that time they were not allowed. Which then created a situation in the city that most people do not think about-- property value. Real estate value was going up in the city and churches, because they were no longer allowed to bury their dead in the cemetery plots, were selling their properties to plump up the church fund. They would remove the bodies, place them (hopefully)in properly labeled cartons and place the bodies elsewhere. Now your people were re-interred into paupers graves so you know that whoever placed them there did not have money,or did not want to spend the money for expensive plots. Their family would not have carted them here and there unless they had the money to do so. You can look at a film that the LDS has called "bodies in transit". If the two of them died out of NYC they would (hopefully) be in that list. Another theory to put into the mix is sickness--if there was some sort of epicdemic at that time it could be that Robert was quickly buried and then later on when his wife was settled in her plot they got around to moving him. I had a person who was placed in a temp. holding vault for two years because when she died and then was suppose to be buried, the ground was frozen. Two years later they interred her along with her family in the plot she was suppose to be in all along. It's hard to find the proper death date when you are looking two years off the mark. I think your idea about finding out more about the plot is a good one. Ask them lots of questions part of the answer you seek will probably be there. Joan -------------- Original message -------------- From: "N. Gabriele Harkey" <ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> > Well, by the time they died (1865 and 1869) there > no longer were burials in Manhattan. (except the mausoleum) > A son came in 1866, in 1870 I find him glass blowing (window panes) > in south west PA. Doubt the parents ever left the NYC area. > Other son arrives in 1871 but settles in Jersey City and remains there > until about 1894 when he goes to Alabama (New Albany) and stays > there for the rest of his life. > There must be another son who can account for the *good boy* > card from NYC schools. It was not the son who came in 1866, he had > 5 children, 4 daughters and a son later on not yet born in the life span > of the parents in question. Somewhere I am missing something > obvious. > I will get in touch with Evergreens this week, all the office had was the > names and plot numbers. Somewhere in the archives (not in the office, > in a basement somewhere on the cemetery grounds) are the original records > where maybe I can find out who bought this plot. > The interesting thing about the plot...it was a double plot. So when > Robert was > moved there in 1872 (Sarah died in 1869) he was moved there, she in 1877. > It is not as though they needed to purchase separate plots, they already > had room for both. > Odd, odd - odd. > > Gabriele > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Maureen > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:38 AM > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Evergreen Cemetery / Brooklyn > > > Husband and wife could have been buried in different cemeteries -- > different > states, even. > The last to die might have moved on to live with a child or for other > reasons > such as to an old peoples home. > > Bodies were moved out of Manhattan during a certain period, so maybe one > or > both were moved for that reason. > Only a few small historical cemeteries of wealthy and historical people > remain > in Manhattan. > > It seems like someone tried to get them back together at some point, > probably > the person who purchased the plot. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sadiegirl06@comcast.net > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:17 PM > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Evergreen Cemetery / Brooklyn > > > > You said that you have the deed information--did that include who bought > the > plot deed? That could be a clue as to who they followed to the US. I think > you > are right older people just don't pick up to start a new life in another > country > unless they were following someone there (good chance it was a daughter). > Who > is now buried in the plot they were previously buried in? They might be > relatives. > Passenger lists for that time period are really tough, not much to work > with. Was there anything generated by the English for people leaving the > country > that might help? > I know in Sweden the church records indicated when the individual was > leaving the country. They had a state church like England has the "Church > of > England"--is there anything that might have been generated by them? > What about papers in their hometown in England that might be like a > "gossip > column" where by they mention that they are going to see relatives in the > states? > That's about all I can think of--it seems like you have covered all your > basis and the window of time you have to work with is so slim! > Good Luck, > Joan > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "N. Gabriele Harkey" > > > Does anyone have people buried there? > > It turns out I have 2, one died 1865 and was reinterred there in 1872, > > the > > other died in > > 1869 and was reinterred there in 1877. This makes no sense to me. > > > > I have the deed and have visited the cemetery. As luck would have it, > > this > > is the ONLY > > part of the cemetery that has gone to waste. The office was surprised to > > see there was a deed > > for the plots they were in as it was the *indigent* section and most > > plots > > were free, pauper > > burials, some in groups. A caretaker took the plat map and walked out > where > > approximately > > the graves would have been. Of course there are no stones anymore. > > > > The ledger in the office had the information for the deed but not when > > it > > was bought, or why they > > were reinterred there, and even more oddly, why not together. > > > > Husband died in 1865 and was moved there in 1872. > > Wife dies in 1869 and gets moved in 1877. > > One would think they would have been moved together in 1872 as both were > > dead by then. > > > > Has anyone dealt with the archivist there? How hard is it to deal with > > them. The people > > in the cemetery office said that is where I might find the answers. > > They were all very helpful. > > > > > > tia, > > Gabriele > > > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ask the cemetery where they were moved from? Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net