Vermont is very good about keeping records. They should be in the town clerk's office if you know which town. Often towns have local history written up and there are a lot of Vt books. Check local history societies and town libraries. Winnie in Vt. ---- nynewyor-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Vermont search begins (Janet Truncali) > 2. Van Cleft family (gothamgal) > 3. Re: Vermont search begins (NANCY J. CURRAN) > 4. Re: anyone have HQ at home (sadiegirl06@comcast.net) > 5. Re: anyone have HQ at home (Sue Maxwell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:47:46 -0400 > From: "Janet Truncali" <truncali@warwick.net> > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <9201495A39114D56B099DF4FB0B7B94A@OwnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello list, > I recently found out that my mother's family lived (before moving to Bklyn) in Vermont, and later in Potsdam, NY. > I would appreciate info on where I should contact for b/m/d records. > Thank you in advance. > Janet Truncali > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:19:40 -0400 > From: gothamgal <gothamgal@yahoo.com> > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Van Cleft family > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <C50D3A0C.8A5A%gothamgal@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I responded to Sue's request directly to her, and she gave me more details > on the family. I wanted to post the findings to the list in case others were > wondering how it went. With difficulties in handwriting and transcription, > it sometimes takes a whole handbag of tricks to locate folks in digitized > records. > > I searched both HeritageQuest (more difficult in this case, oddly) and > Ancestry. I used variations on the last name, both with and without a space. > I tend to prefer to search by first name as it is sometimes more fruitful. > In this case, I used variations on the first name (Charles, Chas, and C.). > Sue also mentioned that Charles' father was Hector and his mother was Sarah, > and that he had a daughter Wilhelmenia who lived with these grandparents. > Since Hector and Wilhelmenia (any spelling) or less common than Charles, I > also searched for them. > > Sue was looking for any census records for Charles Van Cleft, but preferably > one showing his wife. > > My first search found him in 1880 in Manhattan as a widower, age 37, living > with his presumed sister-in-law Mary Van Cleft, a widow, her mother Jane > Valentine, and Mary's children Hector (22) and Mabel (8). He is listed as > C.H. Van Cleft, so would not have turned under a search for Charles. I found > him while looking for Hector. The citation for this record is as follows: > > 1880 Census for Manhattan, taken 8-JUNE-1880, Microfilm series T9, Roll > #894, page 20 (stamped 173 B), SD 1, ED 570, Dwelling 131, Family 162, Line > 10. > > I wanted to find other evidence to bolster the idea that C.H. was likely > Charles, so I checked the 1870 census for Hector Van Cleft who would then > have been 12. I found him living with his parents Geo H. Van Cleft (41) and > Mary E. Her mother, Jane Valentine, was living in the household, confirming > this was the same family found in the 1880 census. However, Charles was not > living in this household. The citation for this record is as follows: > > 1870 Census for Manhattan, taken 18-JULY-1870, page 3 (stamped 102), 21st > Ward, ED 4, Dwelling 10, Family 12, Line 17, Microfilm Series M593, Roll > 1009. > > I also found a Willimena Van Cleft living with a widowed Sarah Van Cleft in > Middletown, Orange County, NY in the 1870 census. There is a chance, > although not proven, that Charles may already have been widowed at this > time. He was not listed in the household, and for the moment has still not > been found in the 1870 census. > > To further tie George H. Van Cleft and his wife Mary E. Valentine with > Charles Van Cleft and help solidify the claim he is the C.H. Van Cleft in > the 1880 census, I went back to see if I could locate the two men as boys in > the same household. I found them together in the 1850 census for Goshen, > Orange County, NY. The head of the household is Hector Van Cleft. Others > with him are abbreviated to Sarah Van C., etc. The children are: George H. > (21), Theodore (14), and Chas. (8). Looking for Van Cleft might not have > turned up the kids, nor would a search for Charles. I found this record > searching for Chas Van Cleft with Soundex. This found him in both 1850 and > 1860. The citation for this record is as follows: > > 1850 Census for Goshen, Orange County, NY, taken 31-OCT-1850, Page stamped > 372, Dwelling 125, Family 127, Line 18, Microfilm Series M653, Roll 835. > > Charles also is in the same household in 1860, age 18, and it would seem his > father has died. > > Going forward, there doesn't seem to be a Charles Van Cleft listed as a > Civil War veteran, so he would not show up in what remains of the 1890 > census. The last census I checked was 1900. I found Charles Van Cleeft and > his wife Annie E. living in Manhattan. He was born May 1842 and she was born > May 1851. She is the mother of 2 children, none of whom are living. The > couple has been married only 13 years, so I suggested Sue try to locate the > marriage certificate to verify whether or not this is her Charles Van Cleft. > The citation for this record is as follows: > > 1900 Census for Manhattan, taken 5-JUNE-1900, Sheet 4A, page stamped 300, SD > 1, ED 634, Dwelling 34, Family 83, Line 40, Microfilm Series T623, Roll > 1109. > > Sue says Charles died in 1902 so this is the last census record in which he > would have appeared. If anyone else wants to try looking for the wife > (Bessie Josephine Lawrence), please post your results to the list. > > -- Laura H. Congleton > > > > > > From: Sue Maxwell <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > > Reply-To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:50:03 -0600 > > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] lookup > > > > I have been trying to find Charles Van Cleft 1842-1902 ( New York) and his > > wife Bessie Josephine Lawrence on any census record on ancestry and all I > > can find is his birth and death; if anyone has Heritage Quest- could you > > give it a try? Thanks, Sue > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:07:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: "NANCY J. CURRAN" <nancycurran@prodigy.net> > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <449483.76095.qm@web83108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello,?Janet, > ??? It would be helpful to know the timeframe of your family's presence in New York state.? If they were in New York State, outside the New York City boroughs, their births, marriages and deaths will be available after 1881.? Let me know if you would like further information on this kind of research. > ? > Nancy Johnsen Curran > http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran > Genealogy research and photography in the capital region of New York State > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Janet Truncali <truncali@warwick.net> > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 8:47:46 AM > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins > > Hello list, > I recently found out that my mother's family lived (before moving to Bklyn) in Vermont,? and later in Potsdam, NY. > I would appreciate info on where I should contact for b/m/d records. > Thank you in advance. > Janet Truncali > > > ************************************* > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:04:08 +0000 > From: sadiegirl06@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <100520080104.10399.48E81288000139270000289F2216566276C0CF049D07090A070B0E9C@comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > I get it from my library- what do you need? > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > > > If anyone has Heritage Quest, at home, I need a look up. Please email me. > > Sue > > > > > > > > ************************************* > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:24:57 -0600 > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <200810050425.m954PCWo025248@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > The problem is all resolved- thanks- Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of sadiegirl06@comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:04 PM > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home > > I get it from my library- what do you need? > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > > > If anyone has Heritage Quest, at home, I need a look up. 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