Thank you so much for this information. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <wmccorm@charter.net> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Cc: <nynewyor-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] NYNEWYOR Digest, Vol 3, Issue 144 > Vermont is very good about keeping records. They should be in the town > clerk's office if you know which town. Often towns have local history > written up and there are a lot of Vt books. Check local history societies > and town libraries. Winnie in Vt. > ---- nynewyor-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Vermont search begins (Janet Truncali) >> 2. Van Cleft family (gothamgal) >> 3. Re: Vermont search begins (NANCY J. CURRAN) >> 4. Re: anyone have HQ at home (sadiegirl06@comcast.net) >> 5. Re: anyone have HQ at home (Sue Maxwell) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:47:46 -0400 >> From: "Janet Truncali" <truncali@warwick.net> >> Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins >> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <9201495A39114D56B099DF4FB0B7B94A@OwnerPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hello list, >> I recently found out that my mother's family lived (before moving to >> Bklyn) in Vermont, and later in Potsdam, NY. >> I would appreciate info on where I should contact for b/m/d records. >> Thank you in advance. >> Janet Truncali >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:19:40 -0400 >> From: gothamgal <gothamgal@yahoo.com> >> Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Van Cleft family >> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <C50D3A0C.8A5A%gothamgal@yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> I responded to Sue's request directly to her, and she gave me more >> details >> on the family. I wanted to post the findings to the list in case others >> were >> wondering how it went. With difficulties in handwriting and >> transcription, >> it sometimes takes a whole handbag of tricks to locate folks in digitized >> records. >> >> I searched both HeritageQuest (more difficult in this case, oddly) and >> Ancestry. I used variations on the last name, both with and without a >> space. >> I tend to prefer to search by first name as it is sometimes more >> fruitful. >> In this case, I used variations on the first name (Charles, Chas, and >> C.). >> Sue also mentioned that Charles' father was Hector and his mother was >> Sarah, >> and that he had a daughter Wilhelmenia who lived with these grandparents. >> Since Hector and Wilhelmenia (any spelling) or less common than Charles, >> I >> also searched for them. >> >> Sue was looking for any census records for Charles Van Cleft, but >> preferably >> one showing his wife. >> >> My first search found him in 1880 in Manhattan as a widower, age 37, >> living >> with his presumed sister-in-law Mary Van Cleft, a widow, her mother Jane >> Valentine, and Mary's children Hector (22) and Mabel (8). He is listed as >> C.H. Van Cleft, so would not have turned under a search for Charles. I >> found >> him while looking for Hector. The citation for this record is as follows: >> >> 1880 Census for Manhattan, taken 8-JUNE-1880, Microfilm series T9, Roll >> #894, page 20 (stamped 173 B), SD 1, ED 570, Dwelling 131, Family 162, >> Line >> 10. >> >> I wanted to find other evidence to bolster the idea that C.H. was likely >> Charles, so I checked the 1870 census for Hector Van Cleft who would then >> have been 12. I found him living with his parents Geo H. Van Cleft (41) >> and >> Mary E. Her mother, Jane Valentine, was living in the household, >> confirming >> this was the same family found in the 1880 census. However, Charles was >> not >> living in this household. The citation for this record is as follows: >> >> 1870 Census for Manhattan, taken 18-JULY-1870, page 3 (stamped 102), 21st >> Ward, ED 4, Dwelling 10, Family 12, Line 17, Microfilm Series M593, Roll >> 1009. >> >> I also found a Willimena Van Cleft living with a widowed Sarah Van Cleft >> in >> Middletown, Orange County, NY in the 1870 census. There is a chance, >> although not proven, that Charles may already have been widowed at this >> time. He was not listed in the household, and for the moment has still >> not >> been found in the 1870 census. >> >> To further tie George H. Van Cleft and his wife Mary E. Valentine with >> Charles Van Cleft and help solidify the claim he is the C.H. Van Cleft in >> the 1880 census, I went back to see if I could locate the two men as boys >> in >> the same household. I found them together in the 1850 census for Goshen, >> Orange County, NY. The head of the household is Hector Van Cleft. Others >> with him are abbreviated to Sarah Van C., etc. The children are: George >> H. >> (21), Theodore (14), and Chas. (8). Looking for Van Cleft might not have >> turned up the kids, nor would a search for Charles. I found this record >> searching for Chas Van Cleft with Soundex. This found him in both 1850 >> and >> 1860. The citation for this record is as follows: >> >> 1850 Census for Goshen, Orange County, NY, taken 31-OCT-1850, Page >> stamped >> 372, Dwelling 125, Family 127, Line 18, Microfilm Series M653, Roll 835. >> >> Charles also is in the same household in 1860, age 18, and it would seem >> his >> father has died. >> >> Going forward, there doesn't seem to be a Charles Van Cleft listed as a >> Civil War veteran, so he would not show up in what remains of the 1890 >> census. The last census I checked was 1900. I found Charles Van Cleeft >> and >> his wife Annie E. living in Manhattan. He was born May 1842 and she was >> born >> May 1851. She is the mother of 2 children, none of whom are living. The >> couple has been married only 13 years, so I suggested Sue try to locate >> the >> marriage certificate to verify whether or not this is her Charles Van >> Cleft. >> The citation for this record is as follows: >> >> 1900 Census for Manhattan, taken 5-JUNE-1900, Sheet 4A, page stamped 300, >> SD >> 1, ED 634, Dwelling 34, Family 83, Line 40, Microfilm Series T623, Roll >> 1109. >> >> Sue says Charles died in 1902 so this is the last census record in which >> he >> would have appeared. If anyone else wants to try looking for the wife >> (Bessie Josephine Lawrence), please post your results to the list. >> >> -- Laura H. Congleton >> >> >> >> >> > From: Sue Maxwell <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >> > Reply-To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> >> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:50:03 -0600 >> > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> >> > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] lookup >> > >> > I have been trying to find Charles Van Cleft 1842-1902 ( New York) and >> > his >> > wife Bessie Josephine Lawrence on any census record on ancestry and all >> > I >> > can find is his birth and death; if anyone has Heritage Quest- could >> > you >> > give it a try? Thanks, Sue >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:07:57 -0700 (PDT) >> From: "NANCY J. CURRAN" <nancycurran@prodigy.net> >> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins >> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <449483.76095.qm@web83108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Hello,?Janet, >> ??? It would be helpful to know the timeframe of your family's presence >> in New York state.? If they were in New York State, outside the New York >> City boroughs, their births, marriages and deaths will be available after >> 1881.? Let me know if you would like further information on this kind of >> research. >> ? >> Nancy Johnsen Curran >> http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran >> Genealogy research and photography in the capital region of New York >> State >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Janet Truncali <truncali@warwick.net> >> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 8:47:46 AM >> Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins >> >> Hello list, >> I recently found out that my mother's family lived (before moving to >> Bklyn) in Vermont,? and later in Potsdam, NY. >> I would appreciate info on where I should contact for b/m/d records. >> Thank you in advance. >> Janet Truncali >> >> >> ************************************* >> Jim Garrity, List Administrator >> jimgarrity@earthlink.net >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:04:08 +0000 >> From: sadiegirl06@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home >> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <100520080104.10399.48E81288000139270000289F2216566276C0CF049D07090A070B0E9C@comcast.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> I get it from my library- what do you need? >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >> >> > If anyone has Heritage Quest, at home, I need a look up. Please email >> > me. >> > Sue >> > >> > >> > >> > ************************************* >> > Jim Garrity, List Administrator >> > jimgarrity@earthlink.net >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in >> > the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:24:57 -0600 >> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home >> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <200810050425.m954PCWo025248@mail.rootsweb.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> The problem is all resolved- thanks- Sue >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of sadiegirl06@comcast.net >> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:04 PM >> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home >> >> I get it from my library- what do you need? >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >> >> > If anyone has Heritage Quest, at home, I need a look up. 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