Hi Eileen, I recall helping you identify the correct Catholic church near a specific addresses. First, let me explain the steps involved. I tend to think that any multi-step process leave it open to fumbles. The marriage "process" 1908-1951 began with the couple applying in-person for, then acquiring, a "License to Marry." [I have one in front of me now.] The header title says "State of New York Affidavit for License to Marry." Couples applied for a license in the county where the ceremony would take place, usually where the bride lived. The couple had 90 days to actually marry while the license was valid. Once the marriage ceremony was performed aka "solemnized" [the word on the civil license form], the officiant was supposed to complete and return page three of the Marriage License to the county that issued the license. According to the form in front of me, the officiant was supposed to return his confirmation of marriage "on or before the 10th day" of the next month. Since you have the marriage certificate from St. Bernard's RC Church, this tells me that: l) The officiating priest neglected to complete then return the form to NYC, or returned it to the wrong county; or 2) The marriage ceremony did not occur within the 90 day licensing window; or 3) The officiating priest was not paid for his services; or 4) The officiating priest and/or his parish felt that their "sacramental" records were not the business of civil authorities. [This was quite common within the Irish culture.] 5) The officiating priest returned his section later than the 10th of the next month. In general, when page 3 of the license was not filed by the officiant with the city, this could lead researchers to believe that a marriage ceremony did not occur. FYI For each of the 5 marriage licenses that I purchased last week, none appear in the IGG/GGG marriage certificate search. I don't know if this is common or not. Eileen, residential addresses of both bride and groom appear on the Marriage License. Please contact me offlist if you'd like me to retrieve it for you. -----Original Message----- From: Chapman, Eileen <[email protected]> Thank you for the link, Barb. I found my grandfather and grandmother both listed and at each of their names there is a "NO RETURN" stamp and no date provided for their marriage. To add to the mystery, I have a marriage certificate for their wedding at St Bernard's church but when I called the church asking if they had the bride's address on file, they were very accommodating and spent quite a bit of time on the phone with me but could find no record of the marriage. Would love your thoughts on this mystery. Eileen -----Original Message-----mizscarlettny via Access to Marriage LICENSE Index, not Marriage CERTIFICATES, 1908-1951. I viewed and purchased a few last week at the Archives. Informational and truly beautiful copies. VIEW Marriage License Index here>>>> https://archive.org/details/nycmarriageindex/&tab=collection It's a goldmine to panhandle!