Hi Kim- Is it possible they ended up in Chicago in 1870? Wm Wisdom, age 50, 'planning mills'(?) born Nova scotia Sarah Wisdom, age 51, born NS Robert Wisdon, age 25, sack maker, born NS John Wisdom, age 23, architect Kate --- Kim Barlow <jennill@cogeco.ca> wrote: > Hello List, > > > > I am researching my Canadian ancestors who lived in > N.Y, Mount Vernon in > 1856 they are as follows: > > > > SARAH (MCLEOD) WISDOM 1818-1903 > > Her husband WILLIAM WISDOM > > > > They had 2 sons that I know of a John born Aug 22, > 1846 > > And Robert born Oct 8, 1844 > > > > I would like to have any scanned documents if > possible or if anyone is > linked to these families and have old photo's, I > would really like to have a > copy. > > > > Thanks to all who have helped me along the way on > this complicated mission. > > > > Kim Barlow > > Ontario, Canada > > > > jennill@cogeco.ca > > > > > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting

Has anyone out there know of a wealthy man who was named John Morris Masterson? Apparently an ancestor painted a portrait of him. The ancestor was Scotsman William Hamilton and he was a member of the Nat. Academy of Design from 1833-1841. I do not know how long he lived but I believe that he painted beyond those dates. Thanks Joan

Hello, Sort of off topic...I will be in NYC to do some genealogy stuff, but also some personal fun stuff, July 18-20. I have never been to NYC. I will be with a friend who is blind and has a guide (so that's 2 women and a dog). We want to stay in Manhattan, if possible, but don't want to ransom the ranch, either. Neither of us knows anything about NYC, so I would really appreciate an "insider" who could tell us where NOT to stay (general areas) and who would allow me to email a short list of hotels I found in the AAA guidebook and give me an opinion. I am cautious about some of the hotels that seem to be in our price range (cheap), even ones with big chain names attached. Thanks--and sorry if this is only sort of related. My geneaolgy question is: I've been to the Municipal Archives website, but it doesn't say how many microfiche readers they have. Is it usually easy to get a reader for a day--or is there a long wait? Please email me off-list if you can help. Thanks! Mona

Hi, Walter, Thanks very much for the information. I've forwarded your reply at your request. Thanks kindly. Cheers, Laury **** Hi Laury Walkey, Can you please re-post my answer to your query to the entire list. I can not do so because my version of AOL is no longer compatible with the Rootsweb eMail processor ... Have you tried here: http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/home.shtml I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- Laury Walkey (Miss) BC, Canada -- Laury Walkey (Miss) BC, Canada

Laury...Sorry I see she moved to Canada after the birth.....so no Death Certificate on file in NYC.....If they extended the birth certificate date from 1907.....Municipal Archives is yout best bet...you can get a photocopy of the original...........Kevin -----Original Message----- From: broadway33@aol.com To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Birth certificate New York City, 1908 Well....you can look up the birth and also obtain the death certificate from the Municipal Archive .....? Google the New York City Municipal Archives 31 Chambers Street New York, NY....It will tell you how to apply....If the cut off date for certificates is 1907...you can google the NYC Dept of Health on Worth Street NY NY...Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Laury Walkey <polgara@telus.net> To: NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 4:43 pm Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Birth certificate New York City, 1908 How can I find a birth ceritifcate for an individual born in New York City in 1908 if I don't know what borough to search? I'm searching for Eileen O'DONNELL, born on either 4 or 14 Oct 1908 in New York City, daughter of Helen Frances GREY and (Unknown) O'DONNELL (and probably illegitimate). Helen was from Ireland and sometime after Eileen's birth she went north to Canada where she married James LEA in 1912. Helen died within the year and little Eileen died the following spring. Thanks kindly. Cheers, -- Laury Walkey (Miss) BC, Canada Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Well....you can look up the birth and also obtain the death certificate from the Municipal Archive .....? Google the New York City Municipal Archives 31 Chambers Street New York, NY....It will tell you how to apply....If the cut off date for certificates is 1907...you can google the NYC Dept of Health on Worth Street NY NY...Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Laury Walkey <polgara@telus.net> To: NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 4:43 pm Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Birth certificate New York City, 1908 How can I find a birth ceritifcate for an individual born in New York City in 1908 if I don't know what borough to search? I'm searching for Eileen O'DONNELL, born on either 4 or 14 Oct 1908 in New York City, daughter of Helen Frances GREY and (Unknown) O'DONNELL (and probably illegitimate). Helen was from Ireland and sometime after Eileen's birth she went north to Canada where she married James LEA in 1912. Helen died within the year and little Eileen died the following spring. Thanks kindly. Cheers, -- Laury Walkey (Miss) BC, Canada Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Hi Pat- I found who I believe to be Mary Boyce on the 1880 census in New Jersey, she was 4, and again in New Jersey on the 1900 census. Let me know if you'd like the images and I'll send them to you- Kate Patricia Montero <patmontero25@hotmail.com> wrote: William J. O’Brien lived at 2 Tudor City in NYC at the time of his death in 1973. His wife was Rosemary Harley. William’s parents were William ( born 1862 Greenfield, MA) and Mary Boyce ( born 1878 Paterson, Passaic, NJ and died 1956 NYC). The couple lived in the Yorktown section of the city. William moved to Tudor City shortly after his brother, George, got married in the 1950’s. William was the Marshall of the St. Patrick’s Day Parade in 1959. William and George had a sister, Rosemary, who was a nun ( 1903-1985). Any information on the family would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Patricia Montero Patmontero25@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection.

Hi Pat- I have found the family in 1920, let me know if you'd like the census record. Kate Patricia Montero <patmontero25@hotmail.com> wrote: William J. O’Brien lived at 2 Tudor City in NYC at the time of his death in 1973. His wife was Rosemary Harley. William’s parents were William ( born 1862 Greenfield, MA) and Mary Boyce ( born 1878 Paterson, Passaic, NJ and died 1956 NYC). The couple lived in the Yorktown section of the city. William moved to Tudor City shortly after his brother, George, got married in the 1950’s. William was the Marshall of the St. Patrick’s Day Parade in 1959. William and George had a sister, Rosemary, who was a nun ( 1903-1985). Any information on the family would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Patricia Montero Patmontero25@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.

How can I find a birth ceritifcate for an individual born in New York City in 1908 if I don't know what borough to search? I'm searching for Eileen O'DONNELL, born on either 4 or 14 Oct 1908 in New York City, daughter of Helen Frances GREY and (Unknown) O'DONNELL (and probably illegitimate). Helen was from Ireland and sometime after Eileen's birth she went north to Canada where she married James LEA in 1912. Helen died within the year and little Eileen died the following spring. Thanks kindly. Cheers, -- Laury Walkey (Miss) BC, Canada

William J. O’Brien lived at 2 Tudor City in NYC at the time of his death in 1973. His wife was Rosemary Harley. William’s parents were William ( born 1862 Greenfield, MA) and Mary Boyce ( born 1878 Paterson, Passaic, NJ and died 1956 NYC). The couple lived in the Yorktown section of the city. William moved to Tudor City shortly after his brother, George, got married in the 1950’s. William was the Marshall of the St. Patrick’s Day Parade in 1959. William and George had a sister, Rosemary, who was a nun ( 1903-1985). Any information on the family would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Patricia Montero Patmontero25@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507

I've "rescued" a group of photographs belonging to the KUBLER and RAUCH Families of New York. The first is a photograph of Emanuel J. RAUCH and Catherine KUBLER. There is no photographer or location identified on the photograph though it appears to have been taken in the 1880's or 1890's with Emanuel likely in his 60's or 70's at the time and Catherine about 3 years old. The second photograph is identified as Catherine KUBLER and was taken at the Jacques Joel Studio in New York City, NY. This photograph was likely taken in the 1890's with Catherine an infant at the time. The third photograph is also identified as Catherine KUBLER, also taken at the Jacques Joel Studio in New York City. The first photograph appears to have been taken in the 1890's with Catherine likely about 2 years old at the time. I was able to locate possible matches with families in census records as follows: 1880 census of Westchester, NY: Emanuel RAUCH, age 68, born Baden, a Farmer, parents born Baden Pelecia RAUCH, wife, age 64, born Baden, Keeping House, parents born Baden Samuel RAUCH, son, age 29, born NY, Helps on Farm Phebe RAUCH, dau, age 26, born NY, at Home Mary RAUCH, dau, age 23, born NY, a Teacher George SCHIERMONN, other, age 20, born Baden, a Farm Laborer, parents born Baden 1900 census of Manhattan Boro, NY: Jacob KUBLER, age 34, born Feb 1866, married 6 years, born Germany, parents born Germany, to USA 1890, a Painter Barbara KUBLER, wife, age 34, born Nov 1865, married 6 years, 3 childre/3 living, born Germany, parents born Germany, to USA 1894 John KUBLER, son, age 11, born Dec 1888, born Germany, parents born Germany, to USA 1894, at School Ann KUBLER, dau, age 5, born Jan 1895, born NY Catherine KUBLER, dau, age 4, born Dec 1895, born NY 1910 census of Queens, NY: Jacob KUBLER, age 43, married 23 years, born Germany, parents born Germany, to USA 1892, a House Painter Barbara KUBLER, wife, age 44, married 23 years, born Germany, parents born Germany, to USA 1892 Annie KUBLER, dau, age 15, born NY, a Private Family Servant Katie KUBLER, dau, age 14, born NY Josephine KUBLER, dau, age 9, born NY Adolph KUBLER, son, age 6, born NY John DARR, brother-in-law, age 43, born Germany, parents born Germany, to USA 1883, a Rubber Presser I'm hoping to locate someone from this family so that these wonderful old photographs can be returned to the care of family. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

Does anyone know of gravestone inscriptions available anywhere for St Marks Church on the Bowery ? BILL STAPLES Researching STAPLES, HOLMES, ELMS, DEHART, SHERWOOD, NICHOLS, COSMAN. Website: www.wstaples.net

I've "rescued" an old photograph identified as J. HILD Esq. which was taken at the Bostwick Studio in New York City, NY. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1880's with Mr. HILD likely in his 40's or 50's at the time the photograph was taken. I am hoping to be able to locate someone from this HILD Family so that this wonderful old photograph can be returned to the care of family. If you are a member of this family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

I have just obtained a deed for a parcel of land situated on Fifth Ave , facing Central Park, between 59th St. and 60th St. It is 50 feet south of 60th and then 25 feet south towards 59th and then 100 feet deep towards Madison Ave.It was purchased by John H. Ryerson and his wife Catherine R. dated, October 18, 1867. They paid $20,500.00 for the parcel. Can anyone tell what is located there now. Possibly an address. John and his wife are related to me through my paternal grandmothers family. Thank you, Ken Oakley ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

ED is "Enumeration District" and it is a Census Bureau term for a specific geographical area of a county in the Federal Census. It can be a whole county in one place in the country --- and only a few city blocks in another area where the population is much denser. It is a FEDERAL GOVERNMENT term which you will want to record, in addition to the street address and zip code, in order to find your people in federal census records on film and microfiche. It does not necessarily remain the same from one census to another. New map lines are drawn -- based on population -- for each decennial census. AD in New York City means "Assembly District" and it is a term the city uses to designate a specific geographic area from which one Assemblyman is elected to their city government. -- It is therefore a LOCAL GOVERNMENT term and in NYC it is helpful in finding your people on a map that shows Assembly boundaries for the correct era. These boundary lines, too, will shift with changes in population over time. IN NYC the Federal government apparently assisted the local authorities by marking on the Census Sheets the particular Assembly District in which those residents lived. This would help the city to know where the population was shrinking or growing in their city. It would also help the city fathers to draw or redraw their boundary lines for Assembly Districts within the city in order to keep them relatively similar in population so that each Assemblyman would represent a similar number of constituents and each voter's voice would have equal weight in city government. Some cities have Wards that elect a representative to the city council, and you will see the Ward number named on the Census sheet. NYC MAY HAVE BOTH wards and assembly districts, with one being divided into several of the other, I'm simply not certain as it has been a long time since I looked at one of their census sheets. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Thiele Fobian To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com ; MGundac102@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] need help with 1870 census location Peg, I can't answer your question about ED & AD. I wonder whether you've been able to do a wildcard search (for example, searching on LAL* to find all surnames beginning with LAL). If not, what given names do you expect to find in the household in 1870 (or before)? I'd be glad to run a quick wildcard search for you if you don't have access to that search capability. MGundac102@aol.com wrote: I would appreciate it,if someone could tell me the ED& AD for the following addresses. 706 3rd Ave. & 706 Ave. B I finally found a birth certificate copy for my grand uncle, George Laline, which gave the address as 706 Ave. 3. I hope to find a family connection at this address, as this family has been a stumbling block before this date, for many years. Any help would be greatly appreciated & thank you in advance. Sincerely, Peg Gundacker ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would appreciate it,if someone could tell me the ED& AD for the following addresses. 706 3rd Ave. & 706 Ave. B I finally found a birth certificate copy for my grand uncle, George Laline, which gave the address as 706 Ave. 3. I hope to find a family connection at this address, as this family has been a stumbling block before this date, for many years. Any help would be greatly appreciated & thank you in advance. Sincerely, Peg Gundacker ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Peg, I can't answer your question about ED & AD. I wonder whether you've been able to do a wildcard search (for example, searching on LAL* to find all surnames beginning with LAL). If not, what given names do you expect to find in the household in 1870 (or before)? I'd be glad to run a quick wildcard search for you if you don't have access to that search capability. MGundac102@aol.com wrote: I would appreciate it,if someone could tell me the ED& AD for the following addresses. 706 3rd Ave. & 706 Ave. B I finally found a birth certificate copy for my grand uncle, George Laline, which gave the address as 706 Ave. 3. I hope to find a family connection at this address, as this family has been a stumbling block before this date, for many years. Any help would be greatly appreciated & thank you in advance. Sincerely, Peg Gundacker ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

Hello list, I am seeking a complete death date and death location: James Colby( death 1964( New York, new York, my dad knew a James Colby that sailed with him( Merchant marines) in 1946 on the SS Wellesley Victory in 1946, he also said that he came from Minnesota and was 2 years older, this would give James Colby a birth year of 1925, if anyone can help with a death index search for New York and vicinity, that would be helpful, thanks so much, Melodee ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi, I have no connection to these poeple, but thoroughly enjoyed reading the letter! What a treasure--I hope someone is interested in it and claims it! Thanks for posting it. Mona Shelley Cardiel <cardiels@comcast.net> wrote: I've "rescued" an old letter which was written by John HAVER Jr. of New York City, New York to Thomas C. AMORY Jr. in Boston, Massachusetts. The letter is dated Dec 21st 1842 and was postmarked December 24th 1842. Based on limited research I was able to locate the following information regarding these two men and their families: