Good morning: New Member & am looking for an obit/death notice for 2 of our kin. If anyone has access to NYT for 1891 & 1911 will you please see if you can find the following : Johanna MULLER died 7/12/1891 Sophie Muller died 6/23/1911 Both are buried in Green-Wood cemstery Thanks in advance George D Craig Former RAOGK Volunteer Beaver County , PA

good morning- I didn't find Johanna yet, but I did find a brief notice for Sophie on 6/22/11 and 6/23/11 from NYT, Brooklyn: 6/22: MULLER, Sophie, 231 Baltic St., June 21, aged 77, Funeral notice later 6/23: MULLER, Sophie, 231 Baltic St.,June 21, aged 77. Funeral today, 2 pm Kate George Craig <craigs22@verizon.net> wrote: Good morning: New Member & am looking for an obit/death notice for 2 of our kin. If anyone has access to NYT for 1891 & 1911 will you please see if you can find the following : Johanna MULLER died 7/12/1891 Sophie Muller died 6/23/1911 Both are buried in Green-Wood cemstery Thanks in advance George D Craig Former RAOGK Volunteer Beaver County , PA Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

There are thousands - actually millions of digital books online - right now. Books that we can use (for free) in our genealogy research - county histories, city directories, genealogies and more. To make it easy to see the scope of what is available I have pulled together over 500 titles - all digital copies - and you may search on every word in each of these books. A lot of these are New York items - over 100 of them. Go ahead and use it at: http://genlibrarian.blogspot.com/ Just click on the link and start searching. It's free - no registration etc. I'll keep adding more titles every day.

Thank you Elizabeth. A LIST member has very kindly offered to get me a copy of the death cert. for Catherine. So hopefully I will be able to find out more information. Kind regards, Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth V Cardinal Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:39 PM To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Burials Fiona, If you mean City cemeteries, I do not think there were any at that time. There are numerous cemeteries that are not for any one religion if that is what you mean. You really should try to get a death certificate. Without information such as date of death or burial or plot information, cemeteries will not provide information. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You have the exact date of death and certificate number as you posted it earlier today. For two dollars you will get ur answer by sending a request into the LDS church in SLC Hello, Would anyone know what municipal graveyards would have been in operation for 1945-1965? I am trying to find where a couple Catherine Cavanagh and James McKinney would have been buried. They were both living in Manahattan at the time of death. I believe Catherine was RC and James was Presbyterian. Thanks, Fiona. IGP County Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Fiona, If you mean City cemeteries, I do not think there were any at that time. There are numerous cemeteries that are not for any one religion if that is what you mean. You really should try to get a death certificate. Without information such as date of death or burial or plot information, cemeteries will not provide information. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Hello, Would anyone know what municipal graveyards would have been in operation for 1945-1965? I am trying to find where a couple Catherine Cavanagh and James McKinney would have been buried. They were both living in Manahattan at the time of death. I believe Catherine was RC and James was Presbyterian. Thanks, Fiona. IGP County Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/ Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I wonder if anyone could tell me what newspaper a death notice might be placed in for Catherine Cavanagh who died in 1945. She was living on Amsterdam Ave. at the time. Surname Given Name Age Month Day Year Certificate Number County Soundex Cavanagh Catherine 60 y  Apr  3  1945  7893 Manhattan  C152  Thanks, Fiona. IGP County Down Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/

Hi New York Listers, Visiting in search of the family of Hollywood legend William S. HART. I've been trying to trackdown his family and so far can only find two years. I know that his father Nicholas HART died in 1895, so nothing on the 1900 Census, but I can't find William, his mother or sisters. William S. HART was born in Newburgh, New York State, in 1864. He was the son of Nicholas HART and Rosanna (Rosamund, Rose) MCCAULEY. Nicholas was English and, according to what I can find out, from Liverpool. Rose was Irish. Seemingly, Nicholas' father was also Irish, according to the 1880 Census. I found the HARTS in Oswego, Illinois, in 1870 - Nicholas (37) a miller, with Rosamund (32), Nettie (9), William (6) and Frances (1). By 1880 the family were in New York City - Nicholas (46), Rosanna (41), Nettie (18), William (16), Frances (11) and Mary E. (8). I have read that the total number of children were 8. There was a Nicholas jnr, but he died young and William S. HART mention a Lotta. I found an autobiography of William S. on Google Book Search but it is only parts of under Limited view. I will buy the book as soon as I can but thought I would try the Lists first. Rose HART seemingly lived into the 20th Century because HART mentions being in a particular play when his mother fell ill. However, I can't find any other Census references to the HART family before 1870 and after 1880. I have access to Hertiage Quest but the search facility is limited and nothignshows up. Rose and Mary E (stands for Ellen) were together while William was touring or in a play somewhere before his big break in movies. Rose should be at least on the 1900 Census and maybe the 1910. And possibly Nicholas could be on the 1860 or even 1850 but I can't find out anything about him. HART mentioned taking his father on a holiday to his home of Liverpool and also said that his grandfather was a John Gleason HART, a lawyer. I haven't been able to prove any of this. He also mentioned that his father was from Oxford, but this doesn't seem to show up either. I'd appreciate any information on the HART family. I've surfed the Net and looked at loads of websites but all give more or less the same limited information. Best wishes, Charles P.S. Not related, just interested.

Can anyone tell me the name of the church at 59th & 5th Brooklyn NY.. Thanks. Dick Carter rcar37@prodigy.net

Did you call or contact the NYC Pub. Lib. ? They should have that for you. Joan -------------- Original message -------------- From: Fiona Jones <mourneminers@optonline.net> > Hi, > > Would anyone know if there are any street directories for NY around 1942? > > I would like to find out who the homeowner was at 6 Amsterdam Avenue, NY. > This was the address given for James McKinney on his WWII draft card but he > isn't there on the 1930 census. > > > > Thanks, > > Fiona. > > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I'd like to request a look-up in the Directory for the address 436 E81st St. NY, NY Any information would be appreciated. Thank you, Lillian ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Nina - you are being such a wonderful help. I really appreciate all your "finds" and suggestions. Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nina Harkey Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:36 AM To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] McKINNEY now CAROLINE Cavanaugh in directory 1925 Fiona, Interesting twist of events: On his WW1 registration, James McKinney gives the address as 137 W 63rd, same as Mrs. John (Catherine) Cavanagh. I found this in the NYC Directories: New York, City Directories Name:john cavana* Title:NewYork-NY-1925c Year:1925 City:New York Book Section:C Page:306 Source:Polk's Trow's New York Directory 1924-25. n.p. n.p.: n.p., n.d.. CAVANAUGH Caroline (wid John) h. 137 W 63rd James McKinney appears in 1931 at 6 Amsterdam but not Mrs. Cavanaugh (a widow since before 1925) which could mean they lived together then but there was no listing for her alone? Still no luck finding her in 1930 census. Here is a marriage in Manhattan that *may* be her and John. Does the surname JOYCE maybe mean anything to you? Just a stab in the sark. Family NameGiven NameMonth of Marriage Day of MarriageYear of Marriage Certificate Number Joyce Catherine Apr 26 1905 Manhattan 8998 Cavanagh John Apr 26 1905 Manhattan 8998 ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Jones To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] your James McKINNEY research Hi Mary, Yes I do have his draft card - thank you. I'm afraid I can't find James or Mrs. Cavanaugh anywhere on the 1930 despite trying all sorts of spelling variations. It's always possible that they just didn't get counted in the census I suppose. Fiona Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fiona, Interesting twist of events: On his WW1 registration, James McKinney gives the address as 137 W 63rd, same as Mrs. John (Catherine) Cavanagh. I found this in the NYC Directories: New York, City Directories Name:john cavana* Title:NewYork-NY-1925c Year:1925 City:New York Book Section:C Page:306 Source:Polk's Trow's New York Directory 1924-25. n.p. n.p.: n.p., n.d.. CAVANAUGH Caroline (wid John) h. 137 W 63rd James McKinney appears in 1931 at 6 Amsterdam but not Mrs. Cavanaugh (a widow since before 1925) which could mean they lived together then but there was no listing for her alone? Still no luck finding her in 1930 census. Here is a marriage in Manhattan that *may* be her and John. Does the surname JOYCE maybe mean anything to you? Just a stab in the sark. Family NameGiven NameMonth of Marriage Day of MarriageYear of Marriage Certificate Number Joyce Catherine Apr 26 1905 Manhattan 8998 Cavanagh John Apr 26 1905 Manhattan 8998 ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Jones To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] your James McKINNEY research Hi Mary, Yes I do have his draft card - thank you. I'm afraid I can't find James or Mrs. Cavanaugh anywhere on the 1930 despite trying all sorts of spelling variations. It's always possible that they just didn't get counted in the census I suppose. Fiona

In a message dated 9/23/2007 11:56:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mcshelly2@msn.com writes: An elderly aunt of mine once said that "in the old days" renters moved every year to get a clean, freshly painted apartment in New York City In many cases, you also got the first month rent free. Joan ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

And I believe they also got a free month's rent so that was probably the real reason. Diane Jacobs Somerset, NJ An elderly aunt of mine once said that "in the old days" renters moved every year to get a clean, freshly painted apartment in New York City. Hi, Would anyone know if there are any street directories for NY around 1942? I would like to find out who the homeowner was at 6 Amsterdam Avenue, NY. This was the address given for James McKinney on his WWII draft card but he isn't there on the 1930 census. Thanks, Fiona.

Hi Mary, Yes I do have his draft card - thank you. I'm afraid I can't find James or Mrs. Cavanaugh anywhere on the 1930 despite trying all sorts of spelling variations. It's always possible that they just didn't get counted in the census I suppose. Fiona. -----Original Message----- From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Thiele Fobian Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:08 AM To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYNEWYOR] your James McKINNEY research Fiona-- Have you checked the 1930 census for the Mrs. Catherine CAVANAUGH who is listed on James's WWII draft card? Have you noted a probable match in the 1918 WW I Draft cards, showing a James McKINNEY born [month illegible] 25, 1883, who lists Mrs. John CAVANAUGH of 137 W. 63rd St. --a friend-- in the "Nearest Relative" section of his draft card. Have you found James elsewhere in 1930, or do you mean that you haven't been able to find him at all in 1930? ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Jones To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: [NYNEWYOR] street directories Would anyone know if there are any street directories for NY around 1942? I would like to find out who the homeowner was at 6 Amsterdam Avenue, NY. This was the address given for James McKinney on his WWII draft card but he isn't there on the 1930 census. Thanks, Fiona. Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am doing research involving many families through relation and occupation. The main families in question are KLEIN and PLAUT. The years covered are about 1860 - 1920-1930. Henry KLEIN was a kosher butcher / wholesaler. He took over the business from his father, Moses KLEIN. He, with others and especially with his son in law Samuel PLAUT had a Wholesale business. Henry died between 1894 and 1896 and Samuel Plaut ran the business, later together with his son, Walter PLAUT. The business was sold to Wilson and Co sometime between either side of 1925-30. I don;' know the exact date. I believe they operated near Washington Street stockyards and also had shops. Where would I look to find information? I have searched the papers to look for real estate or business transfers of the holdings to the Wilson Co. but have come up empty. I have found a few sites with general history of the Kosher industry but nothing specific. Any place to look to find information about individual butchers and shops? They had shops in various locations over the years. New York City Directory, 1890 Klein Henry, meat, 419 E. 48th & 818 First av. h 9 Mitchell pl. Baruch Bernard, meat, 32 Oak, 419 E. 48th & 820 First av. h 9 Mitchell pl. Zeller George, butcher, h 419 E. 48th Name: Samuel Plaut Title: NewYork-NY-1915a Year: 1915 City: New York PLAUT Saml whol meats 407 E 44th h. 344 E 51st PLAUT Walter slsmn Samul Plaut r. 344 E 51st U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 Name: Walter Plaut Birth Date: 18 Aug 1893 Residence: New York, New York Birth: New York, New York Residence: 333 East 53rd St, New York, New York Telephone: Plaza 8 - 1444 Employer Name: Wilson and Co. Employer Address: 816 First Avenue, New York, New York Nina

Fiona-- Have you checked the 1930 census for the Mrs. Catherine CAVANAUGH who is listed on James's WWII draft card? Have you noted a probable match in the 1918 WW I Draft cards, showing a James McKINNEY born [month illegible] 25, 1883, who lists Mrs. John CAVANAUGH of 137 W. 63rd St. --a friend-- in the "Nearest Relative" section of his draft card. Have you found James elsewhere in 1930, or do you mean that you haven't been able to find him at all in 1930? ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Jones To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: [NYNEWYOR] street directories Would anyone know if there are any street directories for NY around 1942? I would like to find out who the homeowner was at 6 Amsterdam Avenue, NY. This was the address given for James McKinney on his WWII draft card but he isn't there on the 1930 census. Thanks, Fiona. Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

I remember the painters coming into the apartments a few times over all the years. Seemed like every 3-5 yrs? But truth be told, I would rather slap on the paint myself than move all my accumulated belongingsd every year. Sounds like a nightmare! I remember one time the painters were slow and sloppy so my father made a deal with them, leave the paint, they did, he finished it himself. This was about 1964. There was a time as well, where it was common to look through the obituaries for a newly vacant apartment and rush over to try and rent it. Nina ----- Original Message ----- From: Maureen To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] street directories An elderly aunt of mine once said that "in the old days" renters moved every year to get a clean, freshly painted apartment in New York City. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Jones To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: [NYNEWYOR] street directories Hi, Would anyone know if there are any street directories for NY around 1942? I would like to find out who the homeowner was at 6 Amsterdam Avenue, NY. This was the address given for James McKinney on his WWII draft card but he isn't there on the 1930 census. Thanks, Fiona. Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message