I recently found a death record for an ancestor who died in 1840 which states he was buried in the Middle Dutch Cemetery in New York City. Does anyone know if they keep records and if they are available to the public? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I'm trying to trace some cousins of my grandmother's who emigrated to America in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. I found the ship's manifest for Eugene McMahon, who emigrated in 1915 and had a brother Thomas living at 160 East 44th Street. There are 25 Thomas McMahons shown in Manhattan in 1910. I found one living on what appears to be 44th Street with his brother-in-law Jeremiah (can't make out last name) and sister Nora (supervisor district 1, enumeration district 1345, can't make out ward). I'd appreciate any advice as to how to learn more about Thomas, Nora, or Eugene. Thank you! Diane Culhane

> > What is your website address? It's under my name. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

At 12:24 PM 10/31/2007, you wrote: >I have added new NYC and Williamsburgh directory entries plus NYC and >Brooklyn, birth and death records. These are for various years. Links >are on the NYC and the Smith/Smythe sections of my website. Pat, What is your website address? Thanks, Peggy

I have added new NYC and Williamsburgh directory entries plus NYC and Brooklyn, birth and death records. These are for various years. Links are on the NYC and the Smith/Smythe sections of my website. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

> Hello I am a new member of this list researching my HIRSCH family of > Manhattan & Bronx areas of NY later moved to Bellmore LI, NY. > > Gabriel Hirsch Facts Sheet > > Father – Noe Hirsch, Mother Reine Himmler, Marriage certificate # 1578 > NYC > Born – Nov. 1851, Gundershoffen, Alsace (Elsess), died Jan 23, 1935 > > Married – Floretta (Florette, Florence) Weil, Weill, Weiller , b. Feb > 1851, Sule, Alsace, (Elsess), d. Apr 19, 1918– March 11, 1872 – NYC > Marriages # 1578, census 1900 – married 29 yrs, 4 children, 4 children > living > > Father – Abraham Weill, mother – Brunette Manhesmer > > Gabriel ‘s Occupation – teacher, 1872 > > Sons – > > Abraham – b. April 1872, lawyer, died age 61, 1933, survived by Father > Gabriel & brothers Fernand & > Leon. > > Fernand S. – b. Mar 3, 1874, death certificate says born in France but I > believe that is incorrect unless they > went back home for a visit. d. Mar 23, 1942, butcher, > Married as Fredrick Hirsch - February 20, 1896 to Louisa Kromer b > 3/8/1873, d. 10/12/1952, Father – > Sylvester Kromer, Mother – Teresa Bruzer > > Leon S.– b. June 1876, butcher, son Albert K., wife Selma K , in 1930 > Father Gabriel is living with him > > > Noe – b. May 1885, married Hecla (Markiewicz) d. Mar 12 1927 > Son – Adrian G. Hirsch > > Gabriel & Flora came to US 1871 from France, probably Alsace-Lorraine > (1900 > census) > > Gabriel is a naturalized citizen (1900 census) > > Living with them in 1900 was Gustav Weil, age 21, a nephew, a butcher, b. > Dec. 1878 in Germany, came to US 1896, alien > > Reverend of Congregation Shaarai Berocho, 138 East Fiftieth St -1900 > Communaute Israelite Francais 1898 > > > My Father descended from this family any help would be appreciated. I > would > like to find out more about Grabriel Hirsch and how to research his > congregations. Thanks, Carol L. Heap

I would appreciate some help with a lookup for an obit in the NY Times. The person would be Margaretta Edwards dau to Robert and Katherine Edwards. She dies somewhere between 1952 and 1960 on Wards Island, NY. Thank you for the help, Joan

My ancestor Patrick John Kenny (Kenney) came to New York City from Ireland. He married Margaret Hobam and had a daughter Catherine Kenny (Kenney) on August 29, 1849, in Montreal, Canada. I was told that Patrick John Kenny (Kenney) was an officer in the US Army stationed at Blackwell Island, New York and is buried in Arlington Cemetery (Army). I am trying to find out when Patrick died. Blake E. Relle brelle@cox.net

The same New York City vital records indexes (and other indexes too) are online on both the www.Italiangen.org and www.Germangenealogygroup.com websites. All New Yorkers are indexed, regardless of national origin. Since you are close to Salt Lake, you could view microfilms there of all the indexes and also the individual certificates -- and take any photocopies you need. As I recall, Salt Lake has all the same films that the NYC Municipal Archives has. Much cheaper than going to NYC! J Torre ----- Original Message ----- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:03:20 -0600 From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] NYNEWYOR Digest, Vol 2, Issue 145 To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <01be01c819d8$43603cf0$0b00a8c0@desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original That might fit, but he is of German extraction- his father was German and his mother from Alsace-Lorraine. Is this Phillip Italian? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Torre" <jtorre@prodigy.net> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] NYNEWYOR Digest, Vol 2, Issue 145 > >From the NYC grooms index at www.italiangen.org, a Phillip Sherrer > >married in Manhattan 1 Oct 1882 (manhattan certificate #16519). Could > >that be your Phillip? > > Also if you order the death index film for 1885 from Salt Lake, you could > look for the two 1885 death certificate numbers. Or, since you have > burial dates, it should be easy for the Municipal Archives to find the > death certificates for you. > > For the 1890 Manhattan Police Census, you must know the address to > determine which census volume you want. I'm not familiar with what is on > Ancestry for it, but genealogy libraries generally have the book (whose > name and author I've forgotten) which matches addresses to the appropriate > census volume and LDS microfilm. > > Good luck, J Torre

Dan, The Brooklyn Genealogy Information Page for Enumeration - Wards, http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Ward/index.html , has boundaries for Manhattan districts for some years that might help you (halfway down the page). Kathleen P - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:48:53 EDT From: Rootsmurphy@aol.com Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Addresses, EDs & Ward Boundaries, etc. To: NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com, IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com, NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com, MURPHY@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d0b.1b0a0216.345687f5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I'm getting dizzy (I may have started out that way) trying to find some address information for Manhattan (New York County) from the census information I have. I sure hope someone can help me or point me in the right direction. Each 1st line below contains the year followed by the surname of my ancestor (HOH in CAPS) The 2nd line is information listed iin the census for that year. The 3rd line is my question concerning that census. 1850 DOUGHERTY-Fitzsimmons Manhattan Western Division, Ward 1, p121, Family #563 was this 1 Broadway? 1860 DOUGHERTY-Fitzsimmons Manhattan District 1, Ward 1, New York City, p127, Family #1140 was this 1 Broadway? 1870 DOUGHERTY-Fitzsimmons Manhattan Ward 5, District 7, p71, Family 543 was this 1 Broadway? 1870 MURPHY-Doyle Manhattan 13th ED, 12th Ward (PO=Harlem) was this 451 E 114th St.? 1870 MURPHY-Doyle Manhattan 7th ED, 12th Ward, (PO=New York) was this 451 E 114th St.? 1880 MURPHY-Doyle Manhattan 5th ED, 13th Ward Boundaries? Dizzy Dan in PA

from the NYC death records Surname Given Name Age Month Day Year Certificate Number County Born Scherrer Paul 5 y Mar 5 1901 7354 Manhattan 1895 - 1896 Scherrer Peter 67 y Jun 5 1948 5952 Bronx 1880 - 1881 Scherrer Peter 65 y Mar 18 1895 10303 Manhattan 1829 - 1830 Scherrer Peter 1 d Sept 16 1925 4505 Queens 1924 - 1925 Scherrer Peter 67 y Sept 26 1925 17989 Kings 1857 - 1858 Scherrer Philip 73 y May 5 1937 10559 Kings 1863 - 1864 Scherrer Philipp 7 m Mar 4 1900 4378 Kings 1899 - 1900 ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Maxwell To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC Well, then, here is my problem. Back when I started research, and didn't know what I was doing, I used the wrong census record to construct the family for a child of my g grandfather. I just received some really scanty buriel records for his family plot and found out that he died quite early. In fact, looking at a city directory, and the fact that he died one month and a 5 month old baby died the next month ( the addresses being nearly the same) made me think that he had recently married, had a child and then at least he and the baby died. After that he doesn't appear in the city directory. He died in 1895, so in 1880 he is still at home and in 1890 there is no census and obviousley he isnt the one I found on the 1910 census. I only have a buried date of Aug 6, 1895- how can I find out his death date, wife's name, if the baby is his, and of what they died? Sue ----- Original Message ----- the body of the message

I am involved in a huge research project for a published book about my grandmother; I have so many more records to get, that will help, that I am thinking it might be cheaper to go to go to NYC and stay with my nutty twin uncles rather than send for more records. I have a lot more research to do. When you are there you can photocopy yourself for practically nothing. I know they can do a search, and I have other records I need- but it adds up and takes long. I would love to go to this new cemetery, now that I know it is there and see if there are tombstones.. Until I came onto these lists, I had no idea there was so much available on the net. I live near SL and can go there myself and plan to next week. I was so dissappointed when I found no 1885 census the last time. Why was there no state census for that year? That would answer so much for me. But there are other ways that will take more time. Sue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Torre" <jtorre@prodigy.net> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] NYNEWYOR Digest, Vol 2, Issue 145 > >From the NYC grooms index at www.italiangen.org, a Phillip Sherrer > >married in Manhattan 1 Oct 1882 (manhattan certificate #16519). Could > >that be your Phillip? > > Also if you order the death index film for 1885 from Salt Lake, you could > look for the two 1885 death certificate numbers. Or, since you have > burial dates, it should be easy for the Municipal Archives to find the > death certificates for you. > > For the 1890 Manhattan Police Census, you must know the address to > determine which census volume you want. I'm not familiar with what is on > Ancestry for it, but genealogy libraries generally have the book (whose > name and author I've forgotten) which matches addresses to the appropriate > census volume and LDS microfilm. > > Good luck, J Torre > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC > > His name was Phillip Scherrer, son of Peter Scherrer and Elizabeth Pohle > Scherrer. There were 6 Peter Scherrerrs in NYC at the time. Peter was a > blacksmith and after Phillips death, it looks like they developed a > livery > and funeral business in a different part of town, and all moved out of > the > area they were in- Scherrer Brothers- some of the older boys becoming a > part > of it and possibly a brother or two.. Phillip was born about 1858, and > had > the following siblings, whom you can only find on the 1880 census- > Barbara, > George, Mary, Evangeline, Anne, Edward, and a William who missed on that > census. Phillip died at 935 9th Ave and was interred on August 6, 1885, > and > the baby, Ernst, died at 931 9th Ave, and was interred on July 12, 1885. > ( looks like the baby died first, not later) and his ; the mother was > interred Aug 18, 1878, address being 633 9th Ave. There are some > variations > in their 9th Ave address in the city directories. I don't know if this > means > they owned several buildings or it was just an error in the directory. > I know all of the marriages except William. Now I don't know Phillips. > Sue > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Peter died in 1895- the fourth one you mention is the correct one, but Phillip was born in 1858, according to the census and died in 1885, according to the internment age 28 years 2 month 10 days. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: " Nina Harkey" <ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC death records > from the NYC death records > > Surname Given Name Age Month Day Year > Certificate Number County Born > > Scherrer Paul 5 y Mar 5 1901 7354 Manhattan 1895 - 1896 > > Scherrer Peter 67 y Jun 5 1948 5952 Bronx 1880 - 1881 > > Scherrer Peter 65 y Mar 18 1895 10303 Manhattan 1829 - 1830 > > Scherrer Peter 1 d Sept 16 1925 4505 Queens 1924 - 1925 > > Scherrer Peter 67 y Sept 26 1925 17989 Kings 1857 - 1858 > > Scherrer Philip 73 y May 5 1937 10559 Kings 1863 - 1864 > > Scherrer Philipp 7 m Mar 4 1900 4378 Kings 1899 - 1900 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Maxwell > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC > > > Well, then, here is my problem. Back when I started research, and didn't > know what I was doing, I used the wrong census record to construct the > family for a child of my g grandfather. I just received some really scanty > buriel records for his family plot and found out that he died quite early. > In fact, looking at a city directory, and the fact that he died one month > and a 5 month old baby died the next month ( the addresses being nearly > the > same) made me think that he had recently married, had a child and then at > least he and the baby died. > > After that he doesn't appear in the city directory. He died in 1895, so in > 1880 he is still at home and in 1890 there is no census and obviousley he > isnt the one I found on the 1910 census. I only have a buried date of Aug > 6, > 1895- how can I find out his death date, wife's name, if the baby is his, > and of what they died? Sue > ----- Original Message ----- the body of the message > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That might fit, but he is of German extraction- his father was German and his mother from Alsace-Lorraine. Is this Phillip Italian? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Torre" <jtorre@prodigy.net> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] NYNEWYOR Digest, Vol 2, Issue 145 > >From the NYC grooms index at www.italiangen.org, a Phillip Sherrer > >married in Manhattan 1 Oct 1882 (manhattan certificate #16519). Could > >that be your Phillip? > > Also if you order the death index film for 1885 from Salt Lake, you could > look for the two 1885 death certificate numbers. Or, since you have > burial dates, it should be easy for the Municipal Archives to find the > death certificates for you. > > For the 1890 Manhattan Police Census, you must know the address to > determine which census volume you want. I'm not familiar with what is on > Ancestry for it, but genealogy libraries generally have the book (whose > name and author I've forgotten) which matches addresses to the appropriate > census volume and LDS microfilm. > > Good luck, J Torre > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC > > His name was Phillip Scherrer, son of Peter Scherrer and Elizabeth Pohle > Scherrer. There were 6 Peter Scherrerrs in NYC at the time. Peter was a > blacksmith and after Phillips death, it looks like they developed a > livery > and funeral business in a different part of town, and all moved out of > the > area they were in- Scherrer Brothers- some of the older boys becoming a > part > of it and possibly a brother or two.. Phillip was born about 1858, and > had > the following siblings, whom you can only find on the 1880 census- > Barbara, > George, Mary, Evangeline, Anne, Edward, and a William who missed on that > census. Phillip died at 935 9th Ave and was interred on August 6, 1885, > and > the baby, Ernst, died at 931 9th Ave, and was interred on July 12, 1885. > ( looks like the baby died first, not later) and his ; the mother was > interred Aug 18, 1878, address being 633 9th Ave. There are some > variations > in their 9th Ave address in the city directories. I don't know if this > means > they owned several buildings or it was just an error in the directory. > I know all of the marriages except William. Now I don't know Phillips. > Sue > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm getting dizzy (I may have started out that way) trying to find some address information for Manhattan (New York County) from the census information I have. I sure hope someone can help me or point me in the right direction. Each 1st line below contains the year followed by the surname of my ancestor (HOH in CAPS) The 2nd line is information listed iin the census for that year. The 3rd line is my question concerning that census. 1850 DOUGHERTY-Fitzsimmons Manhattan Western Division, Ward 1, p121, Family #563 was this 1 Broadway? 1860 DOUGHERTY-Fitzsimmons Manhattan District 1, Ward 1, New York City, p127, Family #1140 was this 1 Broadway? 1870 DOUGHERTY-Fitzsimmons Manhattan Ward 5, District 7, p71, Family 543 was this 1 Broadway? 1870 MURPHY-Doyle Manhattan 13th ED, 12th Ward (PO=Harlem) was this 451 E 114th St.? 1870 MURPHY-Doyle Manhattan 7th ED, 12th Ward, (PO=New York) was this 451 E 114th St.? 1880 MURPHY-Doyle Manhattan 5th ED, 13th Ward Boundaries? Dizzy Dan in PA ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

>From the NYC grooms index at www.italiangen.org, a Phillip Sherrer married in Manhattan 1 Oct 1882 (manhattan certificate #16519). Could that be your Phillip? Also if you order the death index film for 1885 from Salt Lake, you could look for the two 1885 death certificate numbers. Or, since you have burial dates, it should be easy for the Municipal Archives to find the death certificates for you. For the 1890 Manhattan Police Census, you must know the address to determine which census volume you want. I'm not familiar with what is on Ancestry for it, but genealogy libraries generally have the book (whose name and author I've forgotten) which matches addresses to the appropriate census volume and LDS microfilm. Good luck, J Torre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC His name was Phillip Scherrer, son of Peter Scherrer and Elizabeth Pohle Scherrer. There were 6 Peter Scherrerrs in NYC at the time. Peter was a blacksmith and after Phillips death, it looks like they developed a livery and funeral business in a different part of town, and all moved out of the area they were in- Scherrer Brothers- some of the older boys becoming a part of it and possibly a brother or two.. Phillip was born about 1858, and had the following siblings, whom you can only find on the 1880 census- Barbara, George, Mary, Evangeline, Anne, Edward, and a William who missed on that census. Phillip died at 935 9th Ave and was interred on August 6, 1885, and the baby, Ernst, died at 931 9th Ave, and was interred on July 12, 1885. ( looks like the baby died first, not later) and his ; the mother was interred Aug 18, 1878, address being 633 9th Ave. There are some variations in their 9th Ave address in the city directories. I don't know if this means they owned several buildings or it was just an error in the directory. I know all of the marriages except William. Now I don't know Phillips. Sue

Sue: The following is taken from Ancestry's description of it's db for the New York 1890 Police Census "...... includes books 2, 5, 6, and 7, in addition to the books previously published in this database. Those previously posted books include: 58, 59, 60, 61, 953, 954, 955, 956, 957, 958, 959, 960, 961, 962, 963, 964, 965, 966, 969, 971, 972, 977, 980, 982, 983, and 990. These constitute 26 of the 894 extant books; 114 books are missing, and most of the original books do not have pages numbered. When consulting the original, read page 1 as the first page with names on it in each book. The books are public records and can be found in the Family History Library, under the following microfilm numbers #1304781, #1309970, and #1304777." Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC >I have tried 1890 on ancestry with no luck- how else do you access it? Sue >

What was his name and approx. birth date. Nina ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Maxwell To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC Well, then, here is my problem. Back when I started research, and didn't know what I was doing, I used the wrong census record to construct the family for a child of my g grandfather. I just received some really scanty buriel records for his family plot and found out that he died quite early. In fact, looking at a city directory, and the fact that he died one month and a 5 month old baby died the next month ( the addresses being nearly the same) made me think that he had recently married, had a child and then at least he and the baby died. After that he doesn't appear in the city directory. He died in 1895, so in 1880 he is still at home and in 1890 there is no census and obviousley he isnt the one I found on the 1910 census. I only have a buried date of Aug 6, 1895- how can I find out his death date, wife's name, if the baby is his, and of what they died? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <billmellsworth@comcast.net> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC > Unfortunately there isn't. You might find the 1890 Police census of some > help. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:39 PM > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC > > >> Does anyone know if there is an 1895 census for NYC? I looked at family >> search and couldn't find one and need some info that would be on it. Sue >> Jim Garrity, List Administrator >> jimgarrity@earthlink.net >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have tried 1890 on ancestry with no luck- how else do you access it? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <billmellsworth@comcast.net> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC > Unfortunately there isn't. You might find the 1890 Police census of some > help. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:39 PM > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC > > >> Does anyone know if there is an 1895 census for NYC? I looked at family >> search and couldn't find one and need some info that would be on it. Sue >> Jim Garrity, List Administrator >> jimgarrity@earthlink.net >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

His name was Phillip Scherrer, son of Peter Scherrer and Elizabeth Pohle Scherrer. There were 6 Peter Scherrerrs in NYC at the time. Peter was a blacksmith and after Phillips death, it looks like they developed a livery and funeral business in a different part of town, and all moved out of the area they were in- Scherrer Brothers- some of the older boys becoming a part of it and possibly a brother or two.. Phillip was born about 1858, and had the following siblings, whom you can only find on the 1880 census- Barbara, George, Mary, Evangeline, Anne, Edward, and a William who missed on that census. Phillip died at 935 9th Ave and was interred on August 6, 1885, and the baby, Ernst, died at 931 9th Ave, and was interred on July 12, 1885. ( looks like the baby died first, not later) and his ; the mother was interred Aug 18, 1878, address being 633 9th Ave. There are some variations in their 9th Ave address in the city directories. I don't know if this means they owned several buildings or it was just an error in the directory. I know all of the marriages except William. Now I don't know Phillips. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: " Nina Harkey" <ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC > What was his name and approx. birth date. > > Nina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Maxwell > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC > > > Well, then, here is my problem. Back when I started research, and didn't > know what I was doing, I used the wrong census record to construct the > family for a child of my g grandfather. I just received some really scanty > buriel records for his family plot and found out that he died quite early. > In fact, looking at a city directory, and the fact that he died one month > and a 5 month old baby died the next month ( the addresses being nearly > the > same) made me think that he had recently married, had a child and then at > least he and the baby died. > > After that he doesn't appear in the city directory. He died in 1895, so in > 1880 he is still at home and in 1890 there is no census and obviousley he > isnt the one I found on the 1910 census. I only have a buried date of Aug > 6, > 1895- how can I find out his death date, wife's name, if the baby is his, > and of what they died? Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill" <billmellsworth@comcast.net> > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC > > >> Unfortunately there isn't. You might find the 1890 Police census of some >> help. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:39 PM >> Subject: [NYNEWYOR] 1895 census for NYC >> >> >>> Does anyone know if there is an 1895 census for NYC? I looked at family >>> search and couldn't find one and need some info that would be on it. Sue >>> Jim Garrity, List Administrator >>> jimgarrity@earthlink.net >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Jim Garrity, List Administrator >> jimgarrity@earthlink.net >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >