When you click on the following http://stevemorse.org/vital/nybirth.html It brings you to a search page. put in last name only, hit search and the search is done by Ancestry. Irene L. Corney date info source View Full Context Florence A Corney date info Went tp NY City site http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/birth.shtml They charge $15.00 for first one, if they do another year $2.00 Charge. A cousin disputes a birth date, as she says that the person told family all her records were burned in a church fire, and that she was born in Miami FL in 1887. I know for a fact NO Children were born in the 1800's in Florida as the parents only started going to florida in the early 1900's. They want proof. Margaret A. Corney was born 24 Sep 1885 along with Florence A. was born 24 Sep 1885 - d. 17 Apr 1885 Also Mabel A Corney 24 Sep 1885. Children were born: Surrey, Eng 1875; Isle of Wight Eng 1881 to 1883; Canada 1884, 1886 1887, 1888; New York, 1885 1892 and 1896. My Grandfather 15 Jan 1892, the last male born. Thank you all for your replies. Pat Corney

Sorry Cut short the name. Got information from Steve Morse's site.

Forgive cross listing, but not sure who had what in 1885. The following ladies are my gr aunts. 3 are triplets, with two surviving; the other is the youngest child of my Gr Gr. Grandparents. The Births are listed as Kings County Irene L. Corney b.12 Oct 1896 d. 13 May 1957 - On List Florence A Corney b. 24 Mar 1885 d. 13 Apr 1885 - On List Margaret Corney b. 24 Mar 1885 d. 10 Sep 1959 - On List Mabel A. Corney b. 24 Mar 1885 d. Unknown - not on list Their parents are Lawrence J. CORNEY and Jane BOARD. would like to purchase Birth Certs. They are on Access New York Birth listing, Is there another way, or do I just write to NY and ask for certificates for them. I understand that NY Birth Certificates are high. Information greatly appreciated. Pat Corney pic

Irish-Language Mass at St. Patrick's Old Cathedral Come celebrate the Feast of St. Patrick! In honor of St. Patrick, an Irish- and English-language Mass will be celebrated at St. Patrick's Old Cathedral on Mott Street in Manhattan, between Prince and Houston streets, on Friday, March 14th, at 1:00 p.m. Father Andrew M. O'Connor of Holy Family Church in the Bronx will celebrate the Mass, with Msgr. Donald Sakano, pastor of the Old Cathedral, as a concelebrant. Readings will be done in English by Father O'Connor and in Irish by Padraig O'Cearuill, Language Lecturer of Irish Studies, NYU. The Washington Square Harp and Shamrock Orchestra, led by Mick Moloney, Global Distinguished Professor of Irish Studies and Music, NYU, will perform liturgical music, along with Irish-language vocalist Dawn Doherty. Charles Currin will play the beautiful and historic 1868 Henry Erben pipe organ. More information and photographs of this organ are online at http://www.jaredlamenzo.com/erbenrenewal. After the Mass, a party celebrating the Feast of St. Patrick will be held in front of the church, with traditional Irish music and refreshments. The Old Cathedral was the seat of the Diocese (and then the Archdiocese) of New York from 1815 to 1879. The architect for this Gothic building was Joseph-François Mangin, who also designed Manhattan's City Hall. Thank you, Jim Garrity

I have obtained naturalization records from about the same period by writing to: New York County Supreme Court Attention: County Clerk 60 Center Street New York, New York 10007-1402 I know they charge a fee which I believe was $10. -------------------------------------------------- From: <KPhill2906@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:19 PM To: <NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Copy of Declaration of Intent (1894) Superior County NewYork County > I just located a copy of a New York Petition for Naturalization (date of > Naturalization was oct 15, 1894). > > I was hoping someone could tell me how to obtain a copy of the Declaration > of Intent and final Naturalization? > > This was in the Superior County, New York County. > > Thanks very much. > Karen > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just located a copy of a New York Petition for Naturalization (date of Naturalization was oct 15, 1894). I was hoping someone could tell me how to obtain a copy of the Declaration of Intent and final Naturalization? This was in the Superior County, New York County. Thanks very much. Karen **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Some time ago I was looking for the marriage of my ggrandfather Alexander Boyd and wife Mary McDonald. They were listed in the NY marriage indexes online with no certificate number just an i.d. I wrote to a gentlemen in the east who researched the papers and sent the information which was minimal, but I don't know what newspaper it was. Perhaps someone out there can tell me his name so I can contact him. Thank you in advance. Millie Niswonger

I've "rescued" an old photograph identified as Lyman David HALL which was taken at the Pach Bros. Studio in New York City, NY. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1890's or early 1900's with Lyman likely in his 20's at the time it was taken. Based on limited research I was able to gather the following census information: 1880 census of Charleston, SC: David HALL, age 42, a Store Clerk, born England, parents born England Victoria E. HALL, wife, age 25, Keeping House, born GA, parents born TN/GA Lyman HALL, son, age 4, born GA Resubert HALL, son, age 2, born GA 1910 census of Manhattan, NY: Lyman D. HALL, age 34, born GA, parents born GA, a Lawyer I am hoping to locate someone from the HALL Family so that this wonderful old photograph can be returned to the care of family. If you are a member of this family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

I am looking for information regarding a Marshall Lafayette Coleman. He was born in NY in December of 1894. His father was William J. Coleman (b. Ohio)and Martha Coleman (nee. Marshall). He traveled extensivly because of his job with Standard Oil Co. He either lived in Manila or got caught there when the Japanese captured the Islands during WWII. He is listed among those civilians who were liberated after the massacre of Manlia. When his father William died, several grandchildren were listed as part of his estate. I believe them to have been children of Marshall's (although I do not know if he ever got married). I suppose these to be Marshall's children because he was the only male child in his family and the grandchildren's last names were Coleman. There names were William Coleman, Barbara Coleman and Patricia (estate in 1932). I don't know if Marshall ever returned to the states or if he died here or in the Islands. His sister Mildred Barto lived in Flushing, Queens, NY. I am assuming that Marshall returned and lived either with his children or with his sister. If Anyone has any info. regarding this man and his family I would love to hear from you. Thank you Joan

If you need the obituary for his father Willliam in 1932 it is in the NY Times on Dec 8. The obit just mentions marshall and his sister. E mail me if you want it. Bob rdpiet@aol.com ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Joan, I also found a 1920 passport application and a 1927 passenger list (Southampton ENG>NY) that are likely for "your" Marshall L. COLEMAN. Contact me at metaphor4 [at] sbcglobal [dot] net. sadiegirl06@comcast.net wrote: I am looking for information regarding a Marshall Lafayette Coleman. He was born in NY in December of 1894. His father was William J. Coleman (b. Ohio)and Martha Coleman (nee. Marshall). He traveled extensivly because of his job with Standard Oil Co. He either lived in Manila or got caught there when the Japanese captured the Islands during WWII. He is listed among those civilians who were liberated after the massacre of Manlia. When his father William died, several grandchildren were listed as part of his estate. I believe them to have been children of Marshall's (although I do not know if he ever got married). I suppose these to be Marshall's children because he was the only male child in his family and the grandchildren's last names were Coleman. There names were William Coleman, Barbara Coleman and Patricia (estate in 1932). I don't know if Marshall ever returned to the states or if he died here or in the Islands. His sister Mildred Barto lived in Flushing, Queens, NY. I am assuming that Marshall returned and lived either with his children or with his sister. If Anyone has any info. regarding this man and his family I would love to hear from you. Thank you Joan Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

Joan, could this be the individual you're researching? Seattle Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1957 Arrival Date: 13 Sep 1920 SS Empress of Russia Arrival Date: 13 Sep 1920 Port of Arrival: Vancouver, British Columbia Port of Departure: Shanghai COLEMAN Marshall L., age 25, date of birth 26 Dec 1895, birthplace Flushing NY, address 558 Sanford Av., Flushing sadiegirl06@comcast.net wrote: I am looking for information regarding a Marshall Lafayette Coleman. He was born in NY in December of 1894. His father was William J. Coleman (b. Ohio)and Martha Coleman (nee. Marshall). He traveled extensivly because of his job with Standard Oil Co. He either lived in Manila or got caught there when the Japanese captured the Islands during WWII. He is listed among those civilians who were liberated after the massacre of Manlia. When his father William died, several grandchildren were listed as part of his estate. I believe them to have been children of Marshall's (although I do not know if he ever got married). I suppose these to be Marshall's children because he was the only male child in his family and the grandchildren's last names were Coleman. There names were William Coleman, Barbara Coleman and Patricia (estate in 1932). I don't know if Marshall ever returned to the states or if he died here or in the Islands. His sister Mildred Barto lived in Flushing, Queens, NY. I am assuming that Marshall returned and lived either with his children or with his sister. If Anyone has any info. regarding this man and his family I would love to hear from you. Thank you Joan Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

I haven't followed this whole thread so apologies if I duplicate. Do you have the 1865 and 1869 death records? I suspect they're not found since they would say where the original burials were. I have seen one case of reburial. The original burial was in 1898 in Calvary Cemetery's "free ground" which sounds like the pauper's area you described for Evergreen. Many years later in about 1920, one of his daughters had him moved to a family plot she and her husband had purchased in Calvary. Cheers and good luck in your search. Sounds like a challenging one! --J Torre ----- Original Message ----- . > > Husband died in 1865 and was moved there in 1872. > Wife dies in 1869 and gets moved in 1877. > One would think they would have been moved together in 1872 as both were > dead by then.

What was the original question? Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

Gabriele, I think, for what it's worth (about a penny), that you might be getting hung up on that card to much. It might have come from a relative or grandchild and was just saved as a token of a nice day spent with whom ever. But you are right about the burials in NYC by that time they were not allowed. Which then created a situation in the city that most people do not think about-- property value. Real estate value was going up in the city and churches, because they were no longer allowed to bury their dead in the cemetery plots, were selling their properties to plump up the church fund. They would remove the bodies, place them (hopefully)in properly labeled cartons and place the bodies elsewhere. Now your people were re-interred into paupers graves so you know that whoever placed them there did not have money,or did not want to spend the money for expensive plots. Their family would not have carted them here and there unless they had the money to do so. You can look at a film that the LDS has called "bodies in transit". If the two of them died out of NYC they would (hopefully) be in that list. Another theory to put into the mix is sickness--if there was some sort of epicdemic at that time it could be that Robert was quickly buried and then later on when his wife was settled in her plot they got around to moving him. I had a person who was placed in a temp. holding vault for two years because when she died and then was suppose to be buried, the ground was frozen. Two years later they interred her along with her family in the plot she was suppose to be in all along. It's hard to find the proper death date when you are looking two years off the mark. I think your idea about finding out more about the plot is a good one. Ask them lots of questions part of the answer you seek will probably be there. Joan -------------- Original message -------------- From: "N. Gabriele Harkey" <ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> > Well, by the time they died (1865 and 1869) there > no longer were burials in Manhattan. (except the mausoleum) > A son came in 1866, in 1870 I find him glass blowing (window panes) > in south west PA. Doubt the parents ever left the NYC area. > Other son arrives in 1871 but settles in Jersey City and remains there > until about 1894 when he goes to Alabama (New Albany) and stays > there for the rest of his life. > There must be another son who can account for the *good boy* > card from NYC schools. It was not the son who came in 1866, he had > 5 children, 4 daughters and a son later on not yet born in the life span > of the parents in question. Somewhere I am missing something > obvious. > I will get in touch with Evergreens this week, all the office had was the > names and plot numbers. Somewhere in the archives (not in the office, > in a basement somewhere on the cemetery grounds) are the original records > where maybe I can find out who bought this plot. > The interesting thing about the plot...it was a double plot. So when Robert was > moved there in 1872 (Sarah died in 1869) he was moved there, she in 1877. > It is not as though they needed to purchase separate plots, they already > had room for both. > Odd, odd - odd. > > Gabriele > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Maureen > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:38 AM > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Evergreen Cemetery / Brooklyn > > > Husband and wife could have been buried in different cemeteries -- different > states, even. > The last to die might have moved on to live with a child or for other reasons > such as to an old peoples home. > > Bodies were moved out of Manhattan during a certain period, so maybe one or > both were moved for that reason. > Only a few small historical cemeteries of wealthy and historical people remain > in Manhattan. > > It seems like someone tried to get them back together at some point, probably > the person who purchased the plot. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sadiegirl06@comcast.net > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:17 PM > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Evergreen Cemetery / Brooklyn > > > > You said that you have the deed information--did that include who bought the > plot deed? That could be a clue as to who they followed to the US. I think you > are right older people just don't pick up to start a new life in another country > unless they were following someone there (good chance it was a daughter). Who > is now buried in the plot they were previously buried in? They might be > relatives. > Passenger lists for that time period are really tough, not much to work > with. Was there anything generated by the English for people leaving the country > that might help? > I know in Sweden the church records indicated when the individual was > leaving the country. They had a state church like England has the "Church of > England"--is there anything that might have been generated by them? > What about papers in their hometown in England that might be like a "gossip > column" where by they mention that they are going to see relatives in the > states? > That's about all I can think of--it seems like you have covered all your > basis and the window of time you have to work with is so slim! > Good Luck, > Joan > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "N. Gabriele Harkey" > > > Does anyone have people buried there? > > It turns out I have 2, one died 1865 and was reinterred there in 1872, the > > other died in > > 1869 and was reinterred there in 1877. This makes no sense to me. > > > > I have the deed and have visited the cemetery. As luck would have it, this > > is the ONLY > > part of the cemetery that has gone to waste. The office was surprised to > > see there was a deed > > for the plots they were in as it was the *indigent* section and most plots > > were free, pauper > > burials, some in groups. A caretaker took the plat map and walked out > where > > approximately > > the graves would have been. Of course there are no stones anymore. > > > > The ledger in the office had the information for the deed but not when it > > was bought, or why they > > were reinterred there, and even more oddly, why not together. > > > > Husband died in 1865 and was moved there in 1872. > > Wife dies in 1869 and gets moved in 1877. > > One would think they would have been moved together in 1872 as both were > > dead by then. > > > > Has anyone dealt with the archivist there? How hard is it to deal with > > them. The people > > in the cemetery office said that is where I might find the answers. > > They were all very helpful. > > > > > > tia, > > Gabriele > > > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I went through all the death cards for Brooklyn, queens, Bronx and Manhattan... All the death records I could find...all indexes, Brooklyn eagle, and a few other papers...have not yet found a death place. I do have the exact death dates for both but have failed to match the date and names anywhere. Sometimes I think Robert, who died 6.25.1865 may have died on the voyage, hence appearing in no NY records. A son arrived in 1866, 1870 I find him in Fayette County, PA. His mother may have gone there with him and died in Perry, Fayette County, PA. Then again, would not appear in NY death records. Gabriele [who is getting way off topic here] ----- Original Message ----- From: Bbokken@aol.com To: ngharkey@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Evergreen Cemetery / Brooklyn You may be better off obtaining the death record from the mormon church. I would somewhat doubt there is a record of transport but the actual death certificate would at a minimum let you know what initially happened to them. http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/nycv-lds.html Good luck. Bob ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Ask the cemetery where they were moved from? Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net

No, thats not it. They were in the pauper section but they had bought the graves. the deed is there. Staff at the office checked because they were also surprised there was a deed for that part of the cemetery. Apparently about 11 of the the 150+ plots there were actually sold / bought...this being one of them. Their plat, or whatever they have there, indicates that at one time there had been stones placed. That section ceased to be used about 75-90 years ago. The few stones which did not totally fall to ruin are lined up agains the fence there. So, they were not in pauper graves, they were in the very end row of the pauper section, with about 10 deeded graves around them. as far as time, he died 1865 and was moved 7 yrs later in 1872. She died 1869 and was moved to where he was placed in 1872 except she was moved in 8 yrs after her death, 1877. Gabriele ----- Original Message ----- From: sadiegirl06@comcast.net To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Evergreen Cemetery / Brooklyn Gabriele, I think, for what it's worth (about a penny), that you might be getting hung up on that card to much. It might have come from a relative or grandchild and was just saved as a token of a nice day spent with whom ever. But you are right about the burials in NYC by that time they were not allowed. Which then created a situation in the city that most people do not think about-- property value. Real estate value was going up in the city and churches, because they were no longer allowed to bury their dead in the cemetery plots, were selling their properties to plump up the church fund. They would remove the bodies, place them (hopefully)in properly labeled cartons and place the bodies elsewhere. Now your people were re-interred into paupers graves so you know that whoever placed them there did not have money,or did not want to spend the money for expensive plots. Their family would not have carted them here and there unless they had the money to do so. You can look at a film that the LDS has called "bodies in transit". If the two of them died out of NYC they would (hopefully) be in that list. Another theory to put into the mix is sickness--if there was some sort of epicdemic at that time it could be that Robert was quickly buried and then later on when his wife was settled in her plot they got around to moving him. I had a person who was placed in a temp. holding vault for two years because when she died and then was suppose to be buried, the ground was frozen. Two years later they interred her along with her family in the plot she was suppose to be in all along. It's hard to find the proper death date when you are looking two years off the mark. I think your idea about finding out more about the plot is a good one. Ask them lots of questions part of the answer you seek will probably be there. Joan -------------- Original message -------------- From: "N. Gabriele Harkey" <ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> > Well, by the time they died (1865 and 1869) there > no longer were burials in Manhattan. (except the mausoleum) > A son came in 1866, in 1870 I find him glass blowing (window panes) > in south west PA. Doubt the parents ever left the NYC area. > Other son arrives in 1871 but settles in Jersey City and remains there > until about 1894 when he goes to Alabama (New Albany) and stays > there for the rest of his life. > There must be another son who can account for the *good boy* > card from NYC schools. It was not the son who came in 1866, he had > 5 children, 4 daughters and a son later on not yet born in the life span > of the parents in question. Somewhere I am missing something > obvious. > I will get in touch with Evergreens this week, all the office had was the > names and plot numbers. Somewhere in the archives (not in the office, > in a basement somewhere on the cemetery grounds) are the original records > where maybe I can find out who bought this plot. > The interesting thing about the plot...it was a double plot. So when > Robert was > moved there in 1872 (Sarah died in 1869) he was moved there, she in 1877. > It is not as though they needed to purchase separate plots, they already > had room for both. > Odd, odd - odd. > > Gabriele > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Maureen > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:38 AM > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Evergreen Cemetery / Brooklyn > > > Husband and wife could have been buried in different cemeteries -- > different > states, even. > The last to die might have moved on to live with a child or for other > reasons > such as to an old peoples home. > > Bodies were moved out of Manhattan during a certain period, so maybe one > or > both were moved for that reason. > Only a few small historical cemeteries of wealthy and historical people > remain > in Manhattan. > > It seems like someone tried to get them back together at some point, > probably > the person who purchased the plot. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sadiegirl06@comcast.net > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:17 PM > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Evergreen Cemetery / Brooklyn > > > > You said that you have the deed information--did that include who bought > the > plot deed? That could be a clue as to who they followed to the US. I think > you > are right older people just don't pick up to start a new life in another > country > unless they were following someone there (good chance it was a daughter). > Who > is now buried in the plot they were previously buried in? They might be > relatives. > Passenger lists for that time period are really tough, not much to work > with. Was there anything generated by the English for people leaving the > country > that might help? > I know in Sweden the church records indicated when the individual was > leaving the country. They had a state church like England has the "Church > of > England"--is there anything that might have been generated by them? > What about papers in their hometown in England that might be like a > "gossip > column" where by they mention that they are going to see relatives in the > states? > That's about all I can think of--it seems like you have covered all your > basis and the window of time you have to work with is so slim! > Good Luck, > Joan > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "N. Gabriele Harkey" > > > Does anyone have people buried there? > > It turns out I have 2, one died 1865 and was reinterred there in 1872, > > the > > other died in > > 1869 and was reinterred there in 1877. This makes no sense to me. > > > > I have the deed and have visited the cemetery. As luck would have it, > > this > > is the ONLY > > part of the cemetery that has gone to waste. The office was surprised to > > see there was a deed > > for the plots they were in as it was the *indigent* section and most > > plots > > were free, pauper > > burials, some in groups. A caretaker took the plat map and walked out > where > > approximately > > the graves would have been. Of course there are no stones anymore. > > > > The ledger in the office had the information for the deed but not when > > it > > was bought, or why they > > were reinterred there, and even more oddly, why not together. > > > > Husband died in 1865 and was moved there in 1872. > > Wife dies in 1869 and gets moved in 1877. > > One would think they would have been moved together in 1872 as both were > > dead by then. > > > > Has anyone dealt with the archivist there? How hard is it to deal with > > them. The people > > in the cemetery office said that is where I might find the answers. > > They were all very helpful. > > > > > > tia, > > Gabriele > > > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, by the time they died (1865 and 1869) there no longer were burials in Manhattan. (except the mausoleum) A son came in 1866, in 1870 I find him glass blowing (window panes) in south west PA. Doubt the parents ever left the NYC area. Other son arrives in 1871 but settles in Jersey City and remains there until about 1894 when he goes to Alabama (New Albany) and stays there for the rest of his life. There must be another son who can account for the *good boy* card from NYC schools. It was not the son who came in 1866, he had 5 children, 4 daughters and a son later on not yet born in the life span of the parents in question. Somewhere I am missing something obvious. I will get in touch with Evergreens this week, all the office had was the names and plot numbers. Somewhere in the archives (not in the office, in a basement somewhere on the cemetery grounds) are the original records where maybe I can find out who bought this plot. The interesting thing about the plot...it was a double plot. So when Robert was moved there in 1872 (Sarah died in 1869) he was moved there, she in 1877. It is not as though they needed to purchase separate plots, they already had room for both. Odd, odd - odd. Gabriele ----- Original Message ----- From: Maureen To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Evergreen Cemetery / Brooklyn Husband and wife could have been buried in different cemeteries -- different states, even. The last to die might have moved on to live with a child or for other reasons such as to an old peoples home. Bodies were moved out of Manhattan during a certain period, so maybe one or both were moved for that reason. Only a few small historical cemeteries of wealthy and historical people remain in Manhattan. It seems like someone tried to get them back together at some point, probably the person who purchased the plot. ----- Original Message ----- From: sadiegirl06@comcast.net To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Evergreen Cemetery / Brooklyn You said that you have the deed information--did that include who bought the plot deed? That could be a clue as to who they followed to the US. I think you are right older people just don't pick up to start a new life in another country unless they were following someone there (good chance it was a daughter). Who is now buried in the plot they were previously buried in? They might be relatives. Passenger lists for that time period are really tough, not much to work with. Was there anything generated by the English for people leaving the country that might help? I know in Sweden the church records indicated when the individual was leaving the country. They had a state church like England has the "Church of England"--is there anything that might have been generated by them? What about papers in their hometown in England that might be like a "gossip column" where by they mention that they are going to see relatives in the states? That's about all I can think of--it seems like you have covered all your basis and the window of time you have to work with is so slim! Good Luck, Joan -------------- Original message -------------- From: "N. Gabriele Harkey" <ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> > Does anyone have people buried there? > It turns out I have 2, one died 1865 and was reinterred there in 1872, the > other died in > 1869 and was reinterred there in 1877. This makes no sense to me. > > I have the deed and have visited the cemetery. As luck would have it, this > is the ONLY > part of the cemetery that has gone to waste. The office was surprised to > see there was a deed > for the plots they were in as it was the *indigent* section and most plots > were free, pauper > burials, some in groups. A caretaker took the plat map and walked out where > approximately > the graves would have been. Of course there are no stones anymore. > > The ledger in the office had the information for the deed but not when it > was bought, or why they > were reinterred there, and even more oddly, why not together. > > Husband died in 1865 and was moved there in 1872. > Wife dies in 1869 and gets moved in 1877. > One would think they would have been moved together in 1872 as both were > dead by then. > > Has anyone dealt with the archivist there? How hard is it to deal with > them. The people > in the cemetery office said that is where I might find the answers. > They were all very helpful. > > > tia, > Gabriele > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Husband and wife could have been buried in different cemeteries -- different states, even. The last to die might have moved on to live with a child or for other reasons such as to an old peoples home. Bodies were moved out of Manhattan during a certain period, so maybe one or both were moved for that reason. Only a few small historical cemeteries of wealthy and historical people remain in Manhattan. It seems like someone tried to get them back together at some point, probably the person who purchased the plot. ----- Original Message ----- From: sadiegirl06@comcast.net To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Evergreen Cemetery / Brooklyn You said that you have the deed information--did that include who bought the plot deed? That could be a clue as to who they followed to the US. I think you are right older people just don't pick up to start a new life in another country unless they were following someone there (good chance it was a daughter). Who is now buried in the plot they were previously buried in? They might be relatives. Passenger lists for that time period are really tough, not much to work with. Was there anything generated by the English for people leaving the country that might help? I know in Sweden the church records indicated when the individual was leaving the country. They had a state church like England has the "Church of England"--is there anything that might have been generated by them? What about papers in their hometown in England that might be like a "gossip column" where by they mention that they are going to see relatives in the states? That's about all I can think of--it seems like you have covered all your basis and the window of time you have to work with is so slim! Good Luck, Joan -------------- Original message -------------- From: "N. Gabriele Harkey" <ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> > Does anyone have people buried there? > It turns out I have 2, one died 1865 and was reinterred there in 1872, the > other died in > 1869 and was reinterred there in 1877. This makes no sense to me. > > I have the deed and have visited the cemetery. As luck would have it, this > is the ONLY > part of the cemetery that has gone to waste. The office was surprised to > see there was a deed > for the plots they were in as it was the *indigent* section and most plots > were free, pauper > burials, some in groups. A caretaker took the plat map and walked out where > approximately > the graves would have been. Of course there are no stones anymore. > > The ledger in the office had the information for the deed but not when it > was bought, or why they > were reinterred there, and even more oddly, why not together. > > Husband died in 1865 and was moved there in 1872. > Wife dies in 1869 and gets moved in 1877. > One would think they would have been moved together in 1872 as both were > dead by then. > > Has anyone dealt with the archivist there? How hard is it to deal with > them. The people > in the cemetery office said that is where I might find the answers. > They were all very helpful. > > > tia, > Gabriele > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message