I was in the airport in Salt Lake on 9/11 getting ready to come there; my two uncles, who live there watched the entire thing. What a nightmare- it took several years for me to get back there, as it was scary. But, in our differences, because I now live in a quieter atmosphere, when I am there, I think, I can't wait to get back to Provo, where people go to bed at 9 or 10- I lived in the East for years and now it gives me the jitterbugs! Sue

Thanks a lot- Sue -----Original Message----- From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donald Sass Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:59 PM To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYNEWYOR] NYC "" and I would be interested in knowing what some of you think are good history books on NYC. I have read two, and am about the read one called The Hudson River, and don't think I can manage Gotham, due to its length, but what has appealed to those of you who are up on NYC history? Sue"" Here are two more great books " The Island at the Center of the World" Russel Shorto and "Native New Yorkers" Evan T Pritchard. Once you read them you will be hooked on NY books! The first book even tells of the origination of some of the street names. The second book tells you about the people that really made the streets. Don A Native Native New Yorker in Oregon ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I must apologize for the excess emails that just arrived; what happened was I suddenly started getting a pop up window that said I needed to put in my password and user name for Comcast; I was unsuccessful in trying to send emails, and then stopped receiving them, and finally the window came up permanently. Finally I figured out that I needed to call Comcast, and changed my user name and password, so just got flooded with emails. I used to have outlook express, and when it froze my computer, I was switched to outlook office and it is a nightmare to use. If any of you are familiar with it, please write me privately. Sue

Something is again the matter with my email; even a new machine; although I lived most of my life in the East, when I now go to NYC, I get to a point and want to return to where people go to bed at 9-10pm. The East makes me jitterbug now- Sue -----Original Message----- From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MizScarlettNY@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:09 PM To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] city or state? LOL Well...there was much familial pride attached to living in the epic center of the country and world, as New York City was for the longest time, based upon its location, history, multi culturalism, transportation, longevity, and "firsts." This reinforced by "if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere." Employers are always impressed if you could hack NYC. Sorry, you're addressing a tunnel vision gal, on this topic. If NYC wasn't still viewed as a supercity, 9/11 would have occurred in Elgin, IL, or maybe Schnectady, NY. Barb nancycurran@prodigy.net writes: > Yes, we still hear, and chafe at, "the city" meaning New York, as if it is > the oooony city, ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

BARB You mention it because the western part (Missisippi River West) of this great country always greats me with OH! you're a NY'er! Well I'm a native of this area (ST); As soon as I open my mouth. Welcome home to NY-NY! And, thank you for your suggestions. How is it that anyone who ever lived here, mentions it? There is but one...but...on to books> ... Barb N of NYC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- JAMES I have collected all of John Strong's books and have just finished Herbert Kraft's books on the Lenape. It looks like my next book is the one you listed. I recently learned that I am Lenape descendent with documentation, now I am on a wild ride through history via Books. don Don, I liked Pritchard's "Native New Yorkers" but what I found even more insightful about Lenape settlement was "The Algonquian Peoples of Long Island" by John A. Strong (LIU Press). It's harder to come by, but I think is the best book I've read about pre-European New York City. Regards, James Nevius Now available for pre-order: "Inside the Apple: A Streetwise History of New York City" 400 Years of NYC history from Henry Hudson to today www.insidetheapple.net

Charles Dickens' non fictional account of observations of NYC can still be found...title escapes me. Barb ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

Hi Don, Welcome home to NY-NY! And, thank you for your suggestions. How is it that anyone who ever lived here, mentions it? There is but one...but...on to books> ... My all time favorite = Pete Hamill's "Forever." Although the characters are not for reality television, the historical facts are accurate. Hamill deeply researched before writing this masterpiece. He succeeds with presenting a fascinating character who lives through the constraints of human time. It keeps the reader engaged, without merely dry historical facts. For shorter,accurate depictions of specific eras of NYC, I like: Jacob RIIS...How The Other Half Lives & Luc SANTE...Low Life Other expansive, important books, that you can read in sections are: "Gotham," "The WPA Guide to New York City," and "The New York Irish." Barb N of NYC sasebo.crypto@verizon.net writes: > "" and I would be interested in knowing what some of you think are good > history books on NYC. I have read two, and am about the read one called The > Hudson River, and don't think I can manage Gotham, due to its length, but > what has appealed to those of you who are up on NYC history? Sue"" > > Here are two more great books " The Island at the Center of the World" > Russel Shorto and "Native New Yorkers" Evan T Pritchard. > > Once you read them you will be hooked on NY books! The first book even tells > of the origination of some of the street names. The second book tells you > about the people that really made the streets. > > Don > A Native Native New Yorker in Oregon ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

If anyone has any ideas to solve this, it would be very appreciated. A newspaper reporter wrote for The New York Times. When he died in 1933, The New York Times published a substantial obit, stating that he died at home. At that time, his home was located in the Bronx. Family has the exact Bronx address. A written request to the NYC Municipal Archives resulted in a "not found" response. A genealogist performed a search of all boroughs, and did not find the DC. Searching at stevemorse.org>NYC Deaths, proved fruitless after many surname variations were tried, by different people. If anyone would like to attempt a search on GGG or IGG, please contact me offlist for the exact name and date. Thanks so much, Barb ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

My favorite is Russell Shorto's Island at the Center of the World. Laura _________________ Sent from my iPod Touch

Yes, New York city is still the most exciting city I've ever been in.  I have to visit once in a while to get the mental juices flowing.  One of the nice things about Schenectady is that it's only three hours by train to New York.   Nancy Johnsen Curran http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran Genealogy research and photography in the capital region of New York State

Hi Nancy Johnsen Curran, Yes, vital statistics (B/M/D) are maintained by the municipality where the event occurred, and this is not necessarily the municipality where the person resided immediately prior to, or immediately after, the event, nor is it necessarily in the community named in the mailing address of the place where the event occurred. For example, for someone who resided in the Hamlet of Hicksville in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County but passed away while at Long Island Jewish Hospital that has a "New Hyde Park, NY 11040" mailing address, the record of this event would be at the Village of Lake Success, in the Town of North Hempstead, Nassau County, because Long Island Jewish Hospital is in that part of the Village of Lake Success that has a "New Hyde Park, NY 11040" mailing address, and not in the Village of New Hyde Park. I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5769, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY * L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH) Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common greeting during Rosh ha Shannah and the Days of Awe. This is a shortening of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev v'taihatem" (or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May you be inscribed and sealed for a good year." This year, the two-day Jewish Biblical Festival of Rosh ha Shannah (Lev. 23:23-25) will begin at sunset on Monday, September 29 on the civil calendar. .....Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

LOL Well...there was much familial pride attached to living in the epic center of the country and world, as New York City was for the longest time, based upon its location, history, multi culturalism, transportation, longevity, and "firsts." This reinforced by "if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere." Employers are always impressed if you could hack NYC. Sorry, you're addressing a tunnel vision gal, on this topic. If NYC wasn't still viewed as a supercity, 9/11 would have occurred in Elgin, IL, or maybe Schnectady, NY. Barb nancycurran@prodigy.net writes: > Yes, we still hear, and chafe at, "the city" meaning New York, as if it is > the oooony city, ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

Don, I liked Pritchard's "Native New Yorkers" but what I found even more insightful about Lenape settlement was "The Algonquian Peoples of Long Island" by John A. Strong (LIU Press). It's harder to come by, but I think is the best book I've read about pre-European New York City. Regards, James Nevius Now available for pre-order: "Inside the Apple: A Streetwise History of New York City" 400 Years of NYC history from Henry Hudson to today www.insidetheapple.net

Nancy, All of my immigrant ancestors landed and stayed in some section of NYC, usually Manhattan. When interviewing them, all of them said they were from"New York," but in our family context they meant New York City, any borough. The family Bible states that my earliest Irish were married in "New York," and again meant the City of New York. Any census records of my family, since 1832 arrivals, when place of birth is included, show "New York," and "NY." When you live in the metro area, it is orally understood that the term "THE city" refers to New York City. When my grandparents lived in Queens and traveled to Manhattan, they used the same phrase. So, without adding confusion to your research, when I research for others, unless they specify NYC, I begin searching New York State. If you find census records in any part of NYC, and birth info is included as "New York," I would begin searching in NYC. My explanation focuses on language. You have to consider the term New York in terms of context...of the family history. Barb N of NYC nancycurran@prodigy.net writes: > If the identification of New York as place of birth on federal census > enumerations means New York city, what is written for the other half of New York > state-born folks who were born north of Yonkers? > I've always assumed that in federal census listings, New York meant the > state. That said, there's a 50-50 chance it would be New York city, given the > distribution of population within the state. It would be frustrating indeed to > spend all one's research time on New York city when the person was born in, > say, Schenectady, although both would be listed the same, as New York, > meaning the state. > For more specific information, check the NYS censuses for the years ending > in 5, which do state the county of birth, if in New York state, and the state > or country of birth if outside the state. > > Nancy Johnsen Curran ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

Play nice, Kiddies.....or get bounced from the list. No "flaming" here, please! Jim Garrity List Administrator Bbokken@aol.com wrote: >The initial posting was about locational data in family tree's >not postal cities Postal cities have no relevance to the initial >posting.. Seems like you are having difficulty comprehending that >fact. I care less about postal cities and it has no relevance to how > one incorprate's data into a file. GO to www.rootsweb.com and >type in Yonkers.....there are in excess of 9,000 hirs and guess what >not one of them say BRONX. Ergo, the following is pure hogwash >concerning the inital posting and subject matter at hand. > >Chow > >Bronx, NYC, NY ("Yonkers, NY" mailing address), or Bronx, NYC, NY ("Pelham >Manor, NY" mailing address), etc., etc. > >Sorry, Bbokken@aol.com, but apparently you are having great difficulty in >understanding the geographic confusions caused by non-conforming USPS "postal > >cities". > > > > >************** >Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, >plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > >(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > > >************************************* >Jim Garrity, List Administrator >jimgarrity@earthlink.net >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Could the reporter have been mistaken?  Heaven forbid he died outside of the NYC database!  He might have been exiled to the NYS Dept of Health upstate indexes if he crossed a certain line <g>   Nancy Johnsen Curran http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran Genealogy research and photography in the capital region of New York State

The initial posting was about locational data in family tree's not postal cities Postal cities have no relevance to the initial posting.. Seems like you are having difficulty comprehending that fact. I care less about postal cities and it has no relevance to how one incorprate's data into a file. GO to www.rootsweb.com and type in Yonkers.....there are in excess of 9,000 hirs and guess what not one of them say BRONX. Ergo, the following is pure hogwash concerning the inital posting and subject matter at hand. Chow Bronx, NYC, NY ("Yonkers, NY" mailing address), or Bronx, NYC, NY ("Pelham Manor, NY" mailing address), etc., etc. Sorry, Bbokken@aol.com, but apparently you are having great difficulty in understanding the geographic confusions caused by non-conforming USPS "postal cities". ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

I think this is a sort of cultural perception; when I grew up in Old Greenwioh, Conn, if you were going to NY it always meant NYC. I was hardly aware, as a child, that there was more than NYC in that state. I would like to see more of NY but am on the other side of the country now, and need to get there to do more research. Prices are going up, unfortunately. If anyone knows of a person who has a room to rent, cheaply- let me know. Sue -----Original Message----- From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MizScarlettNY@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:36 PM To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] city or state? Nancy, All of my immigrant ancestors landed and stayed in some section of NYC, usually Manhattan. When interviewing them, all of them said they were from"New York," but in our family context they meant New York City, any borough. The family Bible states that my earliest Irish were married in "New York," and again meant the City of New York. Any census records of my family, since 1832 arrivals, when place of birth is included, show "New York," and "NY." When you live in the metro area, it is orally understood that the term "THE city" refers to New York City. When my grandparents lived in Queens and traveled to Manhattan, they used the same phrase. So, without adding confusion to your research, when I research for others, unless they specify NYC, I begin searching New York State. If you find census records in any part of NYC, and birth info is included as "New York," I would begin searching in NYC. My explanation focuses on language. You have to consider the term New York in terms of context...of the family history. Barb N of NYC nancycurran@prodigy.net writes: > If the identification of New York as place of birth on federal census > enumerations means New York city, what is written for the other half of New York > state-born folks who were born north of Yonkers? > I've always assumed that in federal census listings, New York meant the > state. That said, there's a 50-50 chance it would be New York city, given the > distribution of population within the state. It would be frustrating indeed to > spend all one's research time on New York city when the person was born in, > say, Schenectady, although both would be listed the same, as New York, > meaning the state. > For more specific information, check the NYS censuses for the years ending > in 5, which do state the county of birth, if in New York state, and the state > or country of birth if outside the state. > > Nancy Johnsen Curran ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My very dear listers! All this talk about location! I myself was born in the Bronx, NYC, NY. (My father was born in Brooklyn, NYC, NY) Whatever you want to put in your family tree - put it in the notes, because - years ago, you did have to define the area a bit more than you might have to do today. I don't think any of you are interested in today's mailing address, but rather just where in particular a person lived at the time of their living there. Today what you need is the zip code, but since there was no such thing in "the olden days," (and if someone else is trying to locate that person) putting the minute details would help another person. Ah, me! Such details! Heidi **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)