"Researching Genealogical Resources in Ireland Long-distance" Sunday, September 28th, 1 p.m.-5 p.m. Manhattan, NY In their only New York City-area appearance in 2008, two internationally-acclaimed experts on genealogical research in Ireland - Dr. William Roulston, Research Director of Ulster Historical Foundation in Belfast, and Dr. Brian Trainor, the Foundation's retired Research Director and the former Director of the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland - will present an information-packed afternoon on researching genealogical resources in Ireland long-distance. The seminar is open to members of the New York Irish History Roundtable and the public. Drs. Roulston and Trainor will give four lectures that focus on genealogical resources in a variety of repositories in the thirty-two counties of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, including many of the lesser-known resources. The afternoon will begin with a general introductory lecture, followed by specialized talks. The lectures are "Introduction to Irish and Scots-Irish Family History Research," "The Three Cs: Church Registers, Census Records and Civil Registration Records," "Gravestone Inscriptions," and "Not Always at the Bottom of the Pile." Time will be allotted for questions after each lecture. The seminar will take place on Sunday, September 28th, from 1 p.m. to 5 p.m., in the McNally Amphitheatre of Fordham Law School at Lincoln Center, located at 140 W. 62nd Street, between Amsterdam and Columbus avenues. Take the A, B, C, D, or 1 subway line to 59th Street-Columbus Circle. The price of admission is $15 for Roundtable members and $20 for others. Ulster Historical Foundation, established in 1956, is one of the principal genealogical research agencies in Ireland and a leading publisher of quality historical, educational, and genealogical books. The UHF website is at http://www.ancestryireland.com . The New York Irish History Roundtable is a non-denominational, non-political, registered not-for-profit corporation. Its members include both professional and amateur historians and genealogists. Membership is open to all. The Roundtable website is at http://www.irishnyhistory.org . Jim Garrity Vice-President for Family History and Webmaster, New York Irish History Roundtable, http://www.irishnyhistory.org

NEW YORK COUNTY 12 JAN 1925 CERT # 7381 Groom: Joseph FREDERICKS---age 54, S, b. USA ; 308 W 37th St Father: John Mother: ? HARKINS Bride: Delia BRADLEY---age 54, Wid, b. IRE; 308 W 37th St Father: Patrick FLYNN Mother: Mary ROGAN ? BRONX COUNTY 18 APR 1927 CERT # 2259 Groom: John F GUSH--age 30, S, 1st; 1839 Wallace Ave, POB Shorndike, MA Father: Albert Mother: Caroline MEOCZKA Bride: Margaret F. BOYLE---age 20, S, 1st; 1839 Wallace Ave Father: James E. Mother: Margaret McGECCHAN? Our Lady of Solace Church; Priest: Robert H. ROSS, 1531 E 233rd St BRONX COUNTY 16 July 1913 Cert # 1584 Groom: Hugh William HAIRE---age 21, b. NY; 514 E. 145th Father: Thomas Mother: Anna JONES Bride: Alice McKENNA, age 21, b. ?; 692 E 134th Father: John Mother: Cecelia DODGE Emmanuel Lutheran Church 470 E 137th St NEW YORK COUNTY 1916 Cert # 9065 Groom: Arthur A SAALBACH, age 36, 1st, b. Dresden, Saxony; 308 W 15th St Father: August F. Mother: Mamie SALORGE Bride: Mildred Bain BIXBY, age 21, Div- 2nd, b So Boston, MA ; 53 Union Sq Boston, MA Father: George A BAIN Mother: Lilla HORTELON Pastor: 1294 Lexington Ave. BRONX COUNTY 4 June 1916 Cert # 2748 Groom: Fredk C SCHEIN, age 28, 1st, b NYC; 2118 Walter Ave. Father: Charles Mother: Louise HARDE Bride: Elizabeth A. WHALEN, age 32, S; b. ?; 458 E 143rd St Father: Henry Mother: Constance CASSIO CASSIN Priest @ 420 E 145th St KINGS COUNTY 29 Oct 1915 Cert # 12059 Groom: Henry SCHMALBACH, Jr.; age 24, b Brooklyn; 95 Manhattan Ave Father: Henry L Mother: Sophie LOTS Bride: Kathryn M BIGGIO, age 21, b Brooklyn; 2992 Fulton Father: Giroma Mother: Kathryn BIGGS NEW YORK COUNTY 1916 Cert # 26327 Groom: Frank J SCHNACK, age 22; 492 9th Ave Father: August Mother: Rosa STANDER Bride: Mary A SIEGLER, 492 9th Ave Father: George Mother: Mathilde LANG BRONX COUNTY 22 June 1913 Cert # 1292 Groom: Walter SCHNELLBACK, b Germany; stonecutter; 339 St. Ann's Ave. Father: Rubino? SCHNELLBACK Mother: Emma PAUL Bride: Anna KUHN, born Germany Father: John Mother: |Gertrude FUCHS NEW YORK COUNTY 2 Feb 1917 Cert # 4938 Groom: John SCHNELLBACK, age 25, b NYC; brewer; 1726 Second Ave Father: Charles Mother: Elizabeth BETCH Bride: Lillian HUMNEL, age 24, b NYC; 3123 E 92nd St Father: David Mother: Lillie STREPPEL Clergyman @ 338 E 84th St NEW YORK COUNTY 24 June 1916 Cert # 14920 Groom: Fredrick SEELBACH, age 30, 1st, b USA; 376 Fulton St, BKLN [Occupation: Designer and illustrator] Father: Gustavus Adolphus SEELBACH Mother: Lisette MAUFUENDORF Bride: Isabella McCarthy LEVY, age 25, Div-2nd; b Phila, PA Father: Edward McCARTHY Mother: Wilhelmina SEELBACH NEW YORK COUNTY 3 May 1914 Cert # 13204 Groom: Frank SLAVIK, age 28, 1st, b Bohemia; bronze filler Father: Anton Mother: Anna LECKY/SECKY Bride: Marie HENZEL, age 22, 1st; b Bohemia Father: Joseph Mother: Mary URILD BRONX COUNTY 1 Nov 1913 Cert # 2360 Groom: Arthur C SNELL, 1116 180th St, Bronx, NYC Father: Walter SNELL Mother: Robie WEEKS Bride: Elizabeth ANDERSON, b NYC; 2157 Mapes Ave, Bronx, NYC Father: George Mother: Margaret BRADY ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

At various times, I taught History, Political Science, and Psychology (General and Abnormal). Most recently, I taught Graduate students, primarily Doctoral students. I taught the History of Higher Education, College Student Personnel Administration, and Guided Doctoral Students in Dissertation Research. I was Dean of Students for about 20 years. I've published widely and have served on several National Committees. I've liked everything I have done, but especially training new Doctoral students. Then, I had two strokes. Early Retirement. My Neurologist suggested that I pursue genealogy because she knew that I was trying to uncover my mother's family history. It was a good suggestion, and I am confident that I've uncovered her mother, Mary Remak. I have discovered the name of her father (John Remak), but it's a relatively common Hungarian name in New Jersey where I grew up, and I hope to make progress on identifying who, specifically, he was. I really enjoy genealogy and have made a number of good friends. I have the use of one arm, have vision problems, take about 20 pills a day, and am confined to a wheel chair. I feel fortunate because I have several good friends, and I'm making progress. That's the short version . Lou Barsi> From: ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:53:13 -0400> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > If the list is not opposed to this, what did you teach Lou, and how does it relate to NYC Genealogy?> > Gabriele> > (I have several profs in my tree who taught in NYC so that is my primary interest but any history interests me)> ----- Original Message ----- > From: PROF. LOU BARSI > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:43 PM> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > > > GABRIELE,> > No apology is necessary, but thank you anyway. I'm an old school teacher, and I know that I make errors in typing--often too many of them. The caps have helped me to clean up my mistakes. And please let me assure you that I am not angry at anyone about anything. Actually, I feel quite fortunate, and I enjoy genealogy tremendously; Inow have the opportunity to resolve old mysteries in my family.> > Lou Barsi> From: ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:21:50 -0400> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > I want to issue a public apology to Lou. If you, Lou, have vision problems I apologize talking the way I did, I just know from net etiquette all caps are considered loud and angry. Sorry, wish I had known.> Gabriele> ----- Original Message ----- > From: PROF. LOU BARSI > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:53 PM> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > > > Sorry about the caps, but I have a vision problem. I'll try to do better. Please accept my apologies.> From: ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:50:32 -0400> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > it has its flaws as even the best laid plans do (and stomping on it does not make it feel better) , but, all caps makes you sound rather angry. not a good foundation for a healthy debate.> > gabriele> ----- Original Message ----- > From: PROF. LOU BARSI > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:46 PM> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > > > IF I MAY ADD ONE LAST COMMENT, PLEASE.> > THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE ITS FLAWS, BUT I THINK IT IS THE BEST GUIDLINE FOR GOVERNANCE THAT HUMANITY HAS DEVISED.> > > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> _________________________________________________________________> Want to do more with Windows Live? 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Sue, I love you Dear Heart, but the Constitution of these United States is not...'Genealogy" and inappropriate on a genealogy list. But, since you feel so strongly about this perhaps this sort of post from you could go on a Political list or a chat list. We who are deeply into genealogy and searching for our breaks in the walls we have.... would not have to hear comments from others who are not so nice about their feelings. Then you could devote strictly genealogy queries to this list. How does that sound? I am sure you could handle a few more lists, Me..... I'm on about 20, My favorite one is about food and wine.....Big hugs, Claudia -----Original Message----- From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Maxwell Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:02 PM To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day Are we having a debate? I don't think so. I think that it is obvious that the Constitution and what the men who started this country did have a lot to do with genealogy-- and some of us can trace our lineage back to those men. I was totally overwhelmed, excited, and felt a keen responsibility when I found that one of my lines goes back to them. They have a genealogy, too, and I think we might learn much from their lives and their descendants and ancestors about character, sacrifice, etc, as well as from our brave ancestors who came here to live in freedom. Despite all of our problems, America is still the best place to live, and we genealogists are contributing to an understanding of history by doing ours and creating a sense of family, which we are fast losing as a nation. I say three cheers for all that take the time to do this very important work. Some may think we are crazy, but they don't know what an amazing experience it is! Sue ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Some human, who no one can identify, made up that stupid "rule" that online communication in CAPS denotes anger, not passion, emphasis, or writing dramatic dialogue, etc., etc, etc. [She writes in 12 font bold, due to poor vision.] Who was this Emily Post of conversing online? No one knows, but we are all supposed to adhere to it? How ridiculous! Unless a specific list requires it, what's the difference? What about those who write offline in all capital letters? Perhaps we should send them off for Palmer penmanship lessons. [Opps! That may be construed by readers as "age discrimination."] Such guffaws and online *insulted* folks over caps? What a joke. Reminder to the Newbies: Anyone can write to anyone OFFLIST [She says, for emphasis.], not admonish them in front of an audience. Miss Manners would surely gauge such intentional maltreatment of others as rude. [Should she capitalize the "r"? Hmmm.] Genealogy lists recommend capitalizing surnames to distinguish them from the rest of the text. This way readers can visually scan an email then decide if it is worth reading. Now, that makes sense. If you have poor vision, do whatever makes you comfortable, without apologies, unless the list specifies otherwise. I bet the median age of members of this list is over 50 anyway. Miz Scarlett ngharkey@sbcglobal.net writes: > If the list is not opposed to this, what did you teach Lou, and how does it > relate to NYC Genealogy? > > Gabriele > > (I have several profs in my tree who taught in NYC so that is my primary > interest but any history interests me) ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

I think we can agree to disagree- ok? If I was researching the founding father's lives, whom I am related to, the Constitution and their involvement in its development would certainly be part of my historical setting for their lives. I guess because I am writing a book to be published ( not a genealogy style book with only descendancy in it), I have come to see how the history of the times is connected with the people. Hugs- Sue -----Original Message----- From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of myperidot Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:08 PM To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day Sue, I love you Dear Heart, but the Constitution of these United States is not...'Genealogy" and inappropriate on a genealogy list. But, since you feel so strongly about this perhaps this sort of post from you could go on a Political list or a chat list. We who are deeply into genealogy and searching for our breaks in the walls we have.... would not have to hear comments from others who are not so nice about their feelings. Then you could devote strictly genealogy queries to this list. How does that sound? I am sure you could handle a few more lists, Me..... I'm on about 20, My favorite one is about food and wine.....Big hugs, Claudia -----Original Message----- From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Maxwell Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:02 PM To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day Are we having a debate? I don't think so. I think that it is obvious that the Constitution and what the men who started this country did have a lot to do with genealogy-- and some of us can trace our lineage back to those men. I was totally overwhelmed, excited, and felt a keen responsibility when I found that one of my lines goes back to them. They have a genealogy, too, and I think we might learn much from their lives and their descendants and ancestors about character, sacrifice, etc, as well as from our brave ancestors who came here to live in freedom. Despite all of our problems, America is still the best place to live, and we genealogists are contributing to an understanding of history by doing ours and creating a sense of family, which we are fast losing as a nation. I say three cheers for all that take the time to do this very important work. Some may think we are crazy, but they don't know what an amazing experience it is! Sue ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If the list is not opposed to this, what did you teach Lou, and how does it relate to NYC Genealogy? Gabriele (I have several profs in my tree who taught in NYC so that is my primary interest but any history interests me) ----- Original Message ----- From: PROF. LOU BARSI To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day GABRIELE, No apology is necessary, but thank you anyway. I'm an old school teacher, and I know that I make errors in typing--often too many of them. The caps have helped me to clean up my mistakes. And please let me assure you that I am not angry at anyone about anything. Actually, I feel quite fortunate, and I enjoy genealogy tremendously; Inow have the opportunity to resolve old mysteries in my family. Lou Barsi> From: ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:21:50 -0400> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > I want to issue a public apology to Lou. If you, Lou, have vision problems I apologize talking the way I did, I just know from net etiquette all caps are considered loud and angry. Sorry, wish I had known.> Gabriele> ----- Original Message ----- > From: PROF. LOU BARSI > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:53 PM> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > > > Sorry about the caps, but I have a vision problem. I'll try to do better. Please accept my apologies.> From: ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:50:32 -0400> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > it has its flaws as even the best laid plans do (and stomping on it does not make it feel better) , but, all caps makes you sound rather angry. not a good foundation for a healthy debate.> > gabriele> ----- Original Message ----- > From: PROF. LOU BARSI > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:46 PM> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > > > IF I MAY ADD ONE LAST COMMENT, PLEASE.> > THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE ITS FLAWS, BUT I THINK IT IS THE BEST GUIDLINE FOR GOVERNANCE THAT HUMANITY HAS DEVISED.> > > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> _________________________________________________________________> Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie.> http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008> > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

GABRIELE, No apology is necessary, but thank you anyway. I'm an old school teacher, and I know that I make errors in typing--often too many of them. The caps have helped me to clean up my mistakes. And please let me assure you that I am not angry at anyone about anything. Actually, I feel quite fortunate, and I enjoy genealogy tremendously; Inow have the opportunity to resolve old mysteries in my family. Lou Barsi> From: ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:21:50 -0400> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > I want to issue a public apology to Lou. If you, Lou, have vision problems I apologize talking the way I did, I just know from net etiquette all caps are considered loud and angry. Sorry, wish I had known.> Gabriele> ----- Original Message ----- > From: PROF. LOU BARSI > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:53 PM> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > > > Sorry about the caps, but I have a vision problem. I'll try to do better. Please accept my apologies.> From: ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:50:32 -0400> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > it has its flaws as even the best laid plans do (and stomping on it does not make it feel better) , but, all caps makes you sound rather angry. not a good foundation for a healthy debate.> > gabriele> ----- Original Message ----- > From: PROF. LOU BARSI > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:46 PM> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > > > IF I MAY ADD ONE LAST COMMENT, PLEASE.> > THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE ITS FLAWS, BUT I THINK IT IS THE BEST GUIDLINE FOR GOVERNANCE THAT HUMANITY HAS DEVISED.> > > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> _________________________________________________________________> Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie.> http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008> > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/

I want to issue a public apology to Lou. If you, Lou, have vision problems I apologize talking the way I did, I just know from net etiquette all caps are considered loud and angry. Sorry, wish I had known. Gabriele ----- Original Message ----- From: PROF. LOU BARSI To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day Sorry about the caps, but I have a vision problem. I'll try to do better. Please accept my apologies.> From: ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:50:32 -0400> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > it has its flaws as even the best laid plans do (and stomping on it does not make it feel better) , but, all caps makes you sound rather angry. not a good foundation for a healthy debate.> > gabriele> ----- Original Message ----- > From: PROF. LOU BARSI > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:46 PM> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > > > IF I MAY ADD ONE LAST COMMENT, PLEASE.> > THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE ITS FLAWS, BUT I THINK IT IS THE BEST GUIDLINE FOR GOVERNANCE THAT HUMANITY HAS DEVISED.> > > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry about the caps, but I have a vision problem. I'll try to do better. Please accept my apologies.> From: ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:50:32 -0400> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > it has its flaws as even the best laid plans do (and stomping on it does not make it feel better) , but, all caps makes you sound rather angry. not a good foundation for a healthy debate.> > gabriele> ----- Original Message ----- > From: PROF. LOU BARSI > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:46 PM> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > > > IF I MAY ADD ONE LAST COMMENT, PLEASE.> > THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE ITS FLAWS, BUT I THINK IT IS THE BEST GUIDLINE FOR GOVERNANCE THAT HUMANITY HAS DEVISED.> > > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

it has its flaws as even the best laid plans do (and stomping on it does not make it feel better) , but, all caps makes you sound rather angry. not a good foundation for a healthy debate. gabriele ----- Original Message ----- From: PROF. LOU BARSI To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day IF I MAY ADD ONE LAST COMMENT, PLEASE. THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE ITS FLAWS, BUT I THINK IT IS THE BEST GUIDLINE FOR GOVERNANCE THAT HUMANITY HAS DEVISED.>

IF I MAY ADD ONE LAST COMMENT, PLEASE. THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE ITS FLAWS, BUT I THINK IT IS THE BEST GUIDLINE FOR GOVERNANCE THAT HUMANITY HAS DEVISED.> From: suemaxwell@comcast.net> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:29:41 -0600> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > Without the Constitution, none of us would be doing genealogy, and we would> all be back in Europe, etc. Sue> > -----Original Message-----> From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com]> On Behalf Of PROF. LOU BARSI> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 6:08 PM> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > > TUT, TUT. NO POLITICAL COMMENTS. WEBMASTER, SCOLD THIS PERSON PLEASE!!!>> From: Soyamaven@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:29:23 -0400> To:> nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > Sue et> al,> > How ironic: Constitution Day on the day when the federal gov't is> violating > the Constitution by providing credit guarantees and other forms> of corporate > bail-outs.> > > L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5769,> > Walter> Greenspan> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY> > * L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh> TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH)> Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common> greeting during Rosh ha Shannah and > the Days of Awe. This is a shortening> of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev v'taihatem" > (or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah> tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May you > be inscribed and sealed for> a good year." This year, the two-day Jewish > Biblical Festival of Rosh ha> Shannah (Lev. 23:23-25) will begin at sunset on Monday, > September 29 on> the civil calendar.> > > *************************************> Jim Garrity,> List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net>> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send> an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe'> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> _________________________________________________________________> Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn "10 hidden secrets" from Jamie.> http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!55> 0F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008> > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes> in the subject and the body of the message> > > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/

Emails can be notoriously misunderstood, due to lack of personal contact. I kind of thought the Professors "tut tut" was a cute remark and yet some took it the other way; and now we all understand each other better. Some genealogists are interested in records only and some like to add historical context and information to help bring the person alive. In this way, anything like the Constitution, the founding fathers, the history of countries, the culture of our country, etc, relates to genealogy. There is hardly a subject I can think of that really doesn't fit into genealogy- that is why I like it- it involves you in so much information, which fits me well. I love being a detective. I am happy to live in a country where we are free to do it. I was puzzled about why I could find my Scherrer ancestors in the city directories starting in 1847, but could not find them on one record until after 1860- reading a bit of German history, I discovered that they left during a revolution, and had the mind set of avoiding war ( the Civil War)- none of them became naturalized citizens until after the war and they kept a low profile. It was an lightbulb experience I had as I started trying to study the entire family. I feel that we are strengthening our families and thus our nation and its Constitution by doing family history work. I know it has changed my life so much that I will never be the same. I love all of the lists I am on, but have a bit project I have to get onto. I never knew, until I got on lists, that there was so much online info, as I am lucky to live near two outstanding libraries. God bless this country, and our brave ancestors whom we grow to love when we study their lives and sacrifices- and New York was certainly an important part of the founding of and growth of this country. Sue

Are we having a debate? I don't think so. I think that it is obvious that the Constitution and what the men who started this country did have a lot to do with genealogy-- and some of us can trace our lineage back to those men. I was totally overwhelmed, excited, and felt a keen responsibility when I found that one of my lines goes back to them. They have a genealogy, too, and I think we might learn much from their lives and their descendants and ancestors about character, sacrifice, etc, as well as from our brave ancestors who came here to live in freedom. Despite all of our problems, America is still the best place to live, and we genealogists are contributing to an understanding of history by doing ours and creating a sense of family, which we are fast losing as a nation. I say three cheers for all that take the time to do this very important work. Some may think we are crazy, but they don't know what an amazing experience it is! Sue

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Without the Constitution, none of us would be doing genealogy, and we would all be back in Europe, etc. Sue -----Original Message----- From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PROF. LOU BARSI Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 6:08 PM To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day TUT, TUT. NO POLITICAL COMMENTS. WEBMASTER, SCOLD THIS PERSON PLEASE!!!> From: Soyamaven@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:29:23 -0400> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > Sue et al,> > How ironic: Constitution Day on the day when the federal gov't is violating > the Constitution by providing credit guarantees and other forms of corporate > bail-outs.> > > L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5769,> > Walter Greenspan> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY> > * L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH)> Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common greeting during Rosh ha Shannah and > the Days of Awe. This is a shortening of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev v'taihatem" > (or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May you > be inscribed and sealed for a good year." This year, the two-day Jewish > Biblical Festival of Rosh ha Shannah (Lev. 23:23-25) will begin at sunset on Monday, > September 29 on the civil calendar.> > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn "10 hidden secrets" from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!55 0F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

TUT, TUT. NO POLITICAL COMMENTS. WEBMASTER, SCOLD THIS PERSON PLEASE!!!> From: Soyamaven@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:29:23 -0400> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Happy Constitution Day> > Sue et al,> > How ironic: Constitution Day on the day when the federal gov't is violating > the Constitution by providing credit guarantees and other forms of corporate > bail-outs.> > > L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5769,> > Walter Greenspan> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY> > * L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH)> Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common greeting during Rosh ha Shannah and > the Days of Awe. This is a shortening of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev v'taihatem" > (or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May you > be inscribed and sealed for a good year." This year, the two-day Jewish > Biblical Festival of Rosh ha Shannah (Lev. 23:23-25) will begin at sunset on Monday, > September 29 on the civil calendar.> > > *************************************> Jim Garrity, List Administrator> jimgarrity@earthlink.net> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008