Someone recently referred to the newspaper section on ancestry- where is this? Also- with non-exact, must you still use various name spellings? I thought it brought up all possibilities. Sue

The NY Irish Emigrant Bank was also known as Emigrant Industrial Savings Bank. For those interested in the book IRISH IMMIGRANTS of the EMIGRANT INDUSTRIAL SAVINGS BANK Volume II Accounts 2501 - 7500 By Kevin J. Rich See: http://www.irishnyhistory.org/Emigrant2.htm Barb N of NC ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

Source: http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections& op=viewarticle&artid=70 Fifty-nine volumes from the archives of the Emigrant Savings Bank are now in the Rare Books and Manuscripts Division of the New York Public Library. The Indexes are arranged in rough alphabetical order; entries are chronological by the first letter of the surname, and show the corresponding account number (e.g., Ann Prendergast was account #3271). There are three index books: Reel 1 Index Book 1 1850-1866 Reel 2 Index Book 2 1867-1877 Reel 3 Index Book 3 1878-1880 ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

NY EMIGRANT SAVINGS BANK---Originated in 1850, but was not limited to only Irish account holders So many folks posted Irish surnames in our Brooklyn List Roll Call. We've all experienced the most common frustration: so many common given and surname combinations, so little time. Then, Naturalization records, once you decode which one is yours, usually by a luckily found street address match, state the place of birth as "Ireland," period. So, you've procrastinated searching those oh so common Irish names on Emigrant Savings Bank records. It's searchable through Ancestry.com, home and library versions. There are some ways to explore the site and reduce your sitting time, and patience. Start by entering the first and last names. Surely at least ten results will surface, but perhaps as many as forty. Once the "hits" appear on screen, reenter the name, in the search book below them. Adjust your search with the drop down menu choice stating "Text Books." This will eliminate about half of the original options, which are merely deposits and list of owners and account numbers. Now, have your pen and paper handy to list each one that you view, as you review the choices. Just list the date, name and account number; which you simply mark yes, no, or maybe. Perhaps you know the county of origin, or approximate arrival date to NYC. You'll open and review each one. What is absolutely fantabulous about this site is that once you find your ancestor, the image will reveal their age, NYC address, occupation, immigrant ship and date, and other notes. These may reveal other goodies like exact date of birth, wife's name and place of birth and her immigration date and ship, parents' and children's names, and their exact hometown...what you really wanted. Don't be surprised if your ancestor has several accounts. Emigrant Savings Bank encouraged clients to save money so that they might bring other family to the U.S., so some accounts will indicate ITF. Often the relationship of the account holder, to the ITF name is indicated as fiance, mother, etc. Note: The original building is standing at 51 Chambers Street, a a 17-story building in the Beaux Arts style. It is adjacent to the NYC Municipal Archives. Barb N of NYC ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

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This descripton is straight from the Ancestry.com site. B Ancestry.com:Search > Immigration > New York Emigrant Savings Bank, 1850-1883 New York Emigrant Savings Bank, 1850-1883 This database contains images of original records. This database is also searchable as part of a larger collection of related databases. Search the larger collection. Source Information:Ancestry.com. New York Emigrant Savings Bank, 1850-1883 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Emigrant Savings Bank. Emigrant Savings Bank Records. Call number *R-USLHG *ZI-815. Rolls 1-20. New York Public Library, New York, New York. About New York Emigrant Savings Bank, 1850-1883The Emigrant Savings Bank in the U.S. was established in 1850 by members of the Irish Emigrant Society. The bank ended up serving thousands of Irish immigrants who fled to America following the infamous Potato Famine. The bank kept many volumes of records including an Index Book; a Test Book; a Transfer, Signature, and Test Book; and a Deposit-Account Ledger. This database is an index to these records providing the given name and surname of the depositor, their account number, account date, and year and place of birth, if given. In addition, each indexed individual is linked to the image on which they appear where more information may be available. For more information about this database, click here. The Emigrant Savings Bank was established in 1850 by members of the Irish Emigrant Society. The bank ended up serving thousands of Irish immigrants who fled to America following the infamous Potato Famine. The bank kept many volumes of records including an Index Book; a Test Book; a Transfer, Signature, and Test Book; and a Deposit-Account Ledger. This database is an index to these records providing the given name and surname of the depositor, their account number, account date, and year and place of birth, if given. In addition, each indexed individual is linked to the image on which they appear where more information may be available. While the majority of the emigrants found in this collection will be Irish, you may occasionally find emigrants of other nationalities as well.Index Book: The bank kept an index of all individuals recorded in their volumes. This book will usually provide the name of the depositor, the date of the record, and the individual's account number. This book will also refer you to a Test Book or a Transfer, Signature, and Test Book.Test Books: The Test Books cover the years 1850-68 and contain a variety of details about the depositor and his family. Information that may be found in this set of records includes the date of the record, the name of the depositor, his account number, occupation, residence, and other remarks, which could include names of other family members, immigration information, or birth or residence information in Ireland.Transfer, Signature, and Test Books: These books existed from 1850-83 and were used primarily for recording changes made to an individual's account information. Examples of such a change could be a new signature, a change in address, or a change in the account holder. Information that may be found in this set of records includes the signature of the account holder, the date of the record, the account number, the individual's residence, occupation, year born, birthplace, and family relations.Deposit-Account Ledger: These records are arranged by account number and contain an account history for each individual, recording typical transactions such as deposits and withdrawals. Please choose a record type: To browse this collection, click on a record type below. ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

I want to personally thank Laura H. Congleton for helping me research one part of the Van Cleft family. This is part of my grandfather's line. I do a lot of research, and sometimes the records come faster than I can print them out, so I don't always have in mind what I have found. I wanted to find Charles VanCleft on a census with his wife and just couldn't find anything but him at home and his death date and birth year. While I had found some of the records that Laura found, I keep records in a folder until the person marries and then start a new one; On one that we both had found, it didn't dawn on me that he was widowed, as I didn't know, until the other day, from a cousin, that his marriage to his wife and her death took place inbetween census records. So I actually did have one census where he was widowed, although it wasn;'t a census that indicated marital status. She did find one with a possible new wife, and I must ask my cousin if she knows about this- her main interest is in her direct line, but I collect all the cousins I can find. I want the complete picture of a family. She helped me to solidify my understanding of this one particular family, which had a lot of complexities to it. Thanks again, Laura- Sue Maxwell I just learned how to use the non exact part of ancestry this year- for some reason I had never tried it. With this I thought it brought up every possible weird spelling of a name plus other similar ones- is this true or not? I used to think that exact and soundex did that until I learned it only brought up names with the same soundex. Non exact has opened new doors for me. Some time ago someone mentioned "the newspaper section of ancestry"- what are they talking about? I have the most expensive subscription, but I am sure I don't use it all to its fullest value- Thanks- Sue

If you are seeking guidance on locating Vermont birth, death, and marriage records, you should probably post your query on one of RootsWeb's Vermont mailing lists. Mark Lomax California On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:06 AM, Janet Truncali <truncali@warwick.net> wrote: > Hello Nancy, > I am looking for info earlier than 1881. > Thanks for the offer. > Janet Truncali > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NANCY J. CURRAN" <nancycurran@prodigy.net> > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins > > > Hello, Janet, > It would be helpful to know the timeframe of your family's presence in New > York state. If they were in New York State, outside the New York City > boroughs, their births, marriages and deaths will be available after 1881. > Let me know if you would like further information on this kind of research. > > Nancy Johnsen Curran > http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran > Genealogy research and photography in the capital region of New York State > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Janet Truncali <truncali@warwick.net> > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 8:47:46 AM > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins > > Hello list, > I recently found out that my mother's family lived (before moving to Bklyn) > in Vermont, and later in Potsdam, NY. > I would appreciate info on where I should contact for b/m/d records. > Thank you in advance. > Janet Truncali > > > ************************************* > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ************************************* > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ************************************* > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you so much for this information. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <wmccorm@charter.net> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Cc: <nynewyor-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] NYNEWYOR Digest, Vol 3, Issue 144 > Vermont is very good about keeping records. They should be in the town > clerk's office if you know which town. Often towns have local history > written up and there are a lot of Vt books. Check local history societies > and town libraries. Winnie in Vt. > ---- nynewyor-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Vermont search begins (Janet Truncali) >> 2. Van Cleft family (gothamgal) >> 3. Re: Vermont search begins (NANCY J. CURRAN) >> 4. Re: anyone have HQ at home (sadiegirl06@comcast.net) >> 5. Re: anyone have HQ at home (Sue Maxwell) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:47:46 -0400 >> From: "Janet Truncali" <truncali@warwick.net> >> Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins >> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <9201495A39114D56B099DF4FB0B7B94A@OwnerPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hello list, >> I recently found out that my mother's family lived (before moving to >> Bklyn) in Vermont, and later in Potsdam, NY. >> I would appreciate info on where I should contact for b/m/d records. >> Thank you in advance. >> Janet Truncali >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:19:40 -0400 >> From: gothamgal <gothamgal@yahoo.com> >> Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Van Cleft family >> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <C50D3A0C.8A5A%gothamgal@yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> I responded to Sue's request directly to her, and she gave me more >> details >> on the family. I wanted to post the findings to the list in case others >> were >> wondering how it went. With difficulties in handwriting and >> transcription, >> it sometimes takes a whole handbag of tricks to locate folks in digitized >> records. >> >> I searched both HeritageQuest (more difficult in this case, oddly) and >> Ancestry. I used variations on the last name, both with and without a >> space. >> I tend to prefer to search by first name as it is sometimes more >> fruitful. >> In this case, I used variations on the first name (Charles, Chas, and >> C.). >> Sue also mentioned that Charles' father was Hector and his mother was >> Sarah, >> and that he had a daughter Wilhelmenia who lived with these grandparents. >> Since Hector and Wilhelmenia (any spelling) or less common than Charles, >> I >> also searched for them. >> >> Sue was looking for any census records for Charles Van Cleft, but >> preferably >> one showing his wife. >> >> My first search found him in 1880 in Manhattan as a widower, age 37, >> living >> with his presumed sister-in-law Mary Van Cleft, a widow, her mother Jane >> Valentine, and Mary's children Hector (22) and Mabel (8). He is listed as >> C.H. Van Cleft, so would not have turned under a search for Charles. I >> found >> him while looking for Hector. The citation for this record is as follows: >> >> 1880 Census for Manhattan, taken 8-JUNE-1880, Microfilm series T9, Roll >> #894, page 20 (stamped 173 B), SD 1, ED 570, Dwelling 131, Family 162, >> Line >> 10. >> >> I wanted to find other evidence to bolster the idea that C.H. was likely >> Charles, so I checked the 1870 census for Hector Van Cleft who would then >> have been 12. I found him living with his parents Geo H. Van Cleft (41) >> and >> Mary E. Her mother, Jane Valentine, was living in the household, >> confirming >> this was the same family found in the 1880 census. However, Charles was >> not >> living in this household. The citation for this record is as follows: >> >> 1870 Census for Manhattan, taken 18-JULY-1870, page 3 (stamped 102), 21st >> Ward, ED 4, Dwelling 10, Family 12, Line 17, Microfilm Series M593, Roll >> 1009. >> >> I also found a Willimena Van Cleft living with a widowed Sarah Van Cleft >> in >> Middletown, Orange County, NY in the 1870 census. There is a chance, >> although not proven, that Charles may already have been widowed at this >> time. He was not listed in the household, and for the moment has still >> not >> been found in the 1870 census. >> >> To further tie George H. Van Cleft and his wife Mary E. Valentine with >> Charles Van Cleft and help solidify the claim he is the C.H. Van Cleft in >> the 1880 census, I went back to see if I could locate the two men as boys >> in >> the same household. I found them together in the 1850 census for Goshen, >> Orange County, NY. The head of the household is Hector Van Cleft. Others >> with him are abbreviated to Sarah Van C., etc. The children are: George >> H. >> (21), Theodore (14), and Chas. (8). Looking for Van Cleft might not have >> turned up the kids, nor would a search for Charles. I found this record >> searching for Chas Van Cleft with Soundex. This found him in both 1850 >> and >> 1860. The citation for this record is as follows: >> >> 1850 Census for Goshen, Orange County, NY, taken 31-OCT-1850, Page >> stamped >> 372, Dwelling 125, Family 127, Line 18, Microfilm Series M653, Roll 835. >> >> Charles also is in the same household in 1860, age 18, and it would seem >> his >> father has died. >> >> Going forward, there doesn't seem to be a Charles Van Cleft listed as a >> Civil War veteran, so he would not show up in what remains of the 1890 >> census. The last census I checked was 1900. I found Charles Van Cleeft >> and >> his wife Annie E. living in Manhattan. He was born May 1842 and she was >> born >> May 1851. She is the mother of 2 children, none of whom are living. The >> couple has been married only 13 years, so I suggested Sue try to locate >> the >> marriage certificate to verify whether or not this is her Charles Van >> Cleft. >> The citation for this record is as follows: >> >> 1900 Census for Manhattan, taken 5-JUNE-1900, Sheet 4A, page stamped 300, >> SD >> 1, ED 634, Dwelling 34, Family 83, Line 40, Microfilm Series T623, Roll >> 1109. >> >> Sue says Charles died in 1902 so this is the last census record in which >> he >> would have appeared. If anyone else wants to try looking for the wife >> (Bessie Josephine Lawrence), please post your results to the list. >> >> -- Laura H. Congleton >> >> >> >> >> > From: Sue Maxwell <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >> > Reply-To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> >> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:50:03 -0600 >> > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> >> > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] lookup >> > >> > I have been trying to find Charles Van Cleft 1842-1902 ( New York) and >> > his >> > wife Bessie Josephine Lawrence on any census record on ancestry and all >> > I >> > can find is his birth and death; if anyone has Heritage Quest- could >> > you >> > give it a try? Thanks, Sue >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:07:57 -0700 (PDT) >> From: "NANCY J. CURRAN" <nancycurran@prodigy.net> >> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins >> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <449483.76095.qm@web83108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Hello,?Janet, >> ??? It would be helpful to know the timeframe of your family's presence >> in New York state.? If they were in New York State, outside the New York >> City boroughs, their births, marriages and deaths will be available after >> 1881.? Let me know if you would like further information on this kind of >> research. >> ? >> Nancy Johnsen Curran >> http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran >> Genealogy research and photography in the capital region of New York >> State >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Janet Truncali <truncali@warwick.net> >> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 8:47:46 AM >> Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins >> >> Hello list, >> I recently found out that my mother's family lived (before moving to >> Bklyn) in Vermont,? and later in Potsdam, NY. >> I would appreciate info on where I should contact for b/m/d records. >> Thank you in advance. >> Janet Truncali >> >> >> ************************************* >> Jim Garrity, List Administrator >> jimgarrity@earthlink.net >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:04:08 +0000 >> From: sadiegirl06@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home >> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <100520080104.10399.48E81288000139270000289F2216566276C0CF049D07090A070B0E9C@comcast.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> I get it from my library- what do you need? >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >> >> > If anyone has Heritage Quest, at home, I need a look up. Please email >> > me. >> > Sue >> > >> > >> > >> > ************************************* >> > Jim Garrity, List Administrator >> > jimgarrity@earthlink.net >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in >> > the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:24:57 -0600 >> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home >> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <200810050425.m954PCWo025248@mail.rootsweb.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> The problem is all resolved- thanks- Sue >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of sadiegirl06@comcast.net >> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:04 PM >> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home >> >> I get it from my library- what do you need? >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> >> >> > If anyone has Heritage Quest, at home, I need a look up. Please email >> > me. >> > Sue >> > >> > >> > >> > ************************************* >> > Jim Garrity, List Administrator >> > jimgarrity@earthlink.net >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> > the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ************************************* >> Jim Garrity, List Administrator >> jimgarrity@earthlink.net >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the NYNEWYOR list administrator, send an email to >> NYNEWYOR-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the NYNEWYOR mailing list, send an email to >> NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of NYNEWYOR Digest, Vol 3, Issue 144 >> **************************************** > > > > ************************************* > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Nancy, I am looking for info earlier than 1881. Thanks for the offer. Janet Truncali ----- Original Message ----- From: "NANCY J. CURRAN" <nancycurran@prodigy.net> To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins Hello, Janet, It would be helpful to know the timeframe of your family's presence in New York state. If they were in New York State, outside the New York City boroughs, their births, marriages and deaths will be available after 1881. Let me know if you would like further information on this kind of research. Nancy Johnsen Curran http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran Genealogy research and photography in the capital region of New York State ----- Original Message ---- From: Janet Truncali <truncali@warwick.net> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 8:47:46 AM Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins Hello list, I recently found out that my mother's family lived (before moving to Bklyn) in Vermont, and later in Potsdam, NY. I would appreciate info on where I should contact for b/m/d records. Thank you in advance. Janet Truncali ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Vermont is very good about keeping records. They should be in the town clerk's office if you know which town. Often towns have local history written up and there are a lot of Vt books. Check local history societies and town libraries. Winnie in Vt. ---- nynewyor-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Vermont search begins (Janet Truncali) > 2. Van Cleft family (gothamgal) > 3. Re: Vermont search begins (NANCY J. CURRAN) > 4. Re: anyone have HQ at home (sadiegirl06@comcast.net) > 5. Re: anyone have HQ at home (Sue Maxwell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:47:46 -0400 > From: "Janet Truncali" <truncali@warwick.net> > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <9201495A39114D56B099DF4FB0B7B94A@OwnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello list, > I recently found out that my mother's family lived (before moving to Bklyn) in Vermont, and later in Potsdam, NY. > I would appreciate info on where I should contact for b/m/d records. > Thank you in advance. > Janet Truncali > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:19:40 -0400 > From: gothamgal <gothamgal@yahoo.com> > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Van Cleft family > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <C50D3A0C.8A5A%gothamgal@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I responded to Sue's request directly to her, and she gave me more details > on the family. I wanted to post the findings to the list in case others were > wondering how it went. With difficulties in handwriting and transcription, > it sometimes takes a whole handbag of tricks to locate folks in digitized > records. > > I searched both HeritageQuest (more difficult in this case, oddly) and > Ancestry. I used variations on the last name, both with and without a space. > I tend to prefer to search by first name as it is sometimes more fruitful. > In this case, I used variations on the first name (Charles, Chas, and C.). > Sue also mentioned that Charles' father was Hector and his mother was Sarah, > and that he had a daughter Wilhelmenia who lived with these grandparents. > Since Hector and Wilhelmenia (any spelling) or less common than Charles, I > also searched for them. > > Sue was looking for any census records for Charles Van Cleft, but preferably > one showing his wife. > > My first search found him in 1880 in Manhattan as a widower, age 37, living > with his presumed sister-in-law Mary Van Cleft, a widow, her mother Jane > Valentine, and Mary's children Hector (22) and Mabel (8). He is listed as > C.H. Van Cleft, so would not have turned under a search for Charles. I found > him while looking for Hector. The citation for this record is as follows: > > 1880 Census for Manhattan, taken 8-JUNE-1880, Microfilm series T9, Roll > #894, page 20 (stamped 173 B), SD 1, ED 570, Dwelling 131, Family 162, Line > 10. > > I wanted to find other evidence to bolster the idea that C.H. was likely > Charles, so I checked the 1870 census for Hector Van Cleft who would then > have been 12. I found him living with his parents Geo H. Van Cleft (41) and > Mary E. Her mother, Jane Valentine, was living in the household, confirming > this was the same family found in the 1880 census. However, Charles was not > living in this household. The citation for this record is as follows: > > 1870 Census for Manhattan, taken 18-JULY-1870, page 3 (stamped 102), 21st > Ward, ED 4, Dwelling 10, Family 12, Line 17, Microfilm Series M593, Roll > 1009. > > I also found a Willimena Van Cleft living with a widowed Sarah Van Cleft in > Middletown, Orange County, NY in the 1870 census. There is a chance, > although not proven, that Charles may already have been widowed at this > time. He was not listed in the household, and for the moment has still not > been found in the 1870 census. > > To further tie George H. Van Cleft and his wife Mary E. Valentine with > Charles Van Cleft and help solidify the claim he is the C.H. Van Cleft in > the 1880 census, I went back to see if I could locate the two men as boys in > the same household. I found them together in the 1850 census for Goshen, > Orange County, NY. The head of the household is Hector Van Cleft. Others > with him are abbreviated to Sarah Van C., etc. The children are: George H. > (21), Theodore (14), and Chas. (8). Looking for Van Cleft might not have > turned up the kids, nor would a search for Charles. I found this record > searching for Chas Van Cleft with Soundex. This found him in both 1850 and > 1860. The citation for this record is as follows: > > 1850 Census for Goshen, Orange County, NY, taken 31-OCT-1850, Page stamped > 372, Dwelling 125, Family 127, Line 18, Microfilm Series M653, Roll 835. > > Charles also is in the same household in 1860, age 18, and it would seem his > father has died. > > Going forward, there doesn't seem to be a Charles Van Cleft listed as a > Civil War veteran, so he would not show up in what remains of the 1890 > census. The last census I checked was 1900. I found Charles Van Cleeft and > his wife Annie E. living in Manhattan. He was born May 1842 and she was born > May 1851. She is the mother of 2 children, none of whom are living. The > couple has been married only 13 years, so I suggested Sue try to locate the > marriage certificate to verify whether or not this is her Charles Van Cleft. > The citation for this record is as follows: > > 1900 Census for Manhattan, taken 5-JUNE-1900, Sheet 4A, page stamped 300, SD > 1, ED 634, Dwelling 34, Family 83, Line 40, Microfilm Series T623, Roll > 1109. > > Sue says Charles died in 1902 so this is the last census record in which he > would have appeared. If anyone else wants to try looking for the wife > (Bessie Josephine Lawrence), please post your results to the list. > > -- Laura H. Congleton > > > > > > From: Sue Maxwell <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > > Reply-To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:50:03 -0600 > > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] lookup > > > > I have been trying to find Charles Van Cleft 1842-1902 ( New York) and his > > wife Bessie Josephine Lawrence on any census record on ancestry and all I > > can find is his birth and death; if anyone has Heritage Quest- could you > > give it a try? Thanks, Sue > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:07:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: "NANCY J. CURRAN" <nancycurran@prodigy.net> > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <449483.76095.qm@web83108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello,?Janet, > ??? It would be helpful to know the timeframe of your family's presence in New York state.? If they were in New York State, outside the New York City boroughs, their births, marriages and deaths will be available after 1881.? Let me know if you would like further information on this kind of research. > ? > Nancy Johnsen Curran > http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran > Genealogy research and photography in the capital region of New York State > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Janet Truncali <truncali@warwick.net> > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 8:47:46 AM > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins > > Hello list, > I recently found out that my mother's family lived (before moving to Bklyn) in Vermont,? and later in Potsdam, NY. > I would appreciate info on where I should contact for b/m/d records. > Thank you in advance. > Janet Truncali > > > ************************************* > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:04:08 +0000 > From: sadiegirl06@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <100520080104.10399.48E81288000139270000289F2216566276C0CF049D07090A070B0E9C@comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > I get it from my library- what do you need? > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > > > If anyone has Heritage Quest, at home, I need a look up. Please email me. > > Sue > > > > > > > > ************************************* > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:24:57 -0600 > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <200810050425.m954PCWo025248@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > The problem is all resolved- thanks- Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of sadiegirl06@comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:04 PM > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home > > I get it from my library- what do you need? > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > > > If anyone has Heritage Quest, at home, I need a look up. Please email me. > > Sue > > > > > > > > ************************************* > > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > ************************************* > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYNEWYOR list administrator, send an email to > NYNEWYOR-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NYNEWYOR mailing list, send an email to NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYNEWYOR Digest, Vol 3, Issue 144 > ****************************************

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I get it from my library- what do you need? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > If anyone has Heritage Quest, at home, I need a look up. Please email me. > Sue > > > > ************************************* > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

The problem is all resolved- thanks- Sue -----Original Message----- From: nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nynewyor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sadiegirl06@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:04 PM To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYNEWYOR] anyone have HQ at home I get it from my library- what do you need? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Sue Maxwell" <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > If anyone has Heritage Quest, at home, I need a look up. Please email me. > Sue > > > > ************************************* > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Janet,     It would be helpful to know the timeframe of your family's presence in New York state.  If they were in New York State, outside the New York City boroughs, their births, marriages and deaths will be available after 1881.  Let me know if you would like further information on this kind of research.   Nancy Johnsen Curran http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran Genealogy research and photography in the capital region of New York State ----- Original Message ---- From: Janet Truncali <truncali@warwick.net> To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 8:47:46 AM Subject: [NYNEWYOR] Vermont search begins Hello list, I recently found out that my mother's family lived (before moving to Bklyn) in Vermont,  and later in Potsdam, NY. I would appreciate info on where I should contact for b/m/d records. Thank you in advance. Janet Truncali ************************************* Jim Garrity, List Administrator jimgarrity@earthlink.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYNEWYOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I responded to Sue's request directly to her, and she gave me more details on the family. I wanted to post the findings to the list in case others were wondering how it went. With difficulties in handwriting and transcription, it sometimes takes a whole handbag of tricks to locate folks in digitized records. I searched both HeritageQuest (more difficult in this case, oddly) and Ancestry. I used variations on the last name, both with and without a space. I tend to prefer to search by first name as it is sometimes more fruitful. In this case, I used variations on the first name (Charles, Chas, and C.). Sue also mentioned that Charles' father was Hector and his mother was Sarah, and that he had a daughter Wilhelmenia who lived with these grandparents. Since Hector and Wilhelmenia (any spelling) or less common than Charles, I also searched for them. Sue was looking for any census records for Charles Van Cleft, but preferably one showing his wife. My first search found him in 1880 in Manhattan as a widower, age 37, living with his presumed sister-in-law Mary Van Cleft, a widow, her mother Jane Valentine, and Mary's children Hector (22) and Mabel (8). He is listed as C.H. Van Cleft, so would not have turned under a search for Charles. I found him while looking for Hector. The citation for this record is as follows: 1880 Census for Manhattan, taken 8-JUNE-1880, Microfilm series T9, Roll #894, page 20 (stamped 173 B), SD 1, ED 570, Dwelling 131, Family 162, Line 10. I wanted to find other evidence to bolster the idea that C.H. was likely Charles, so I checked the 1870 census for Hector Van Cleft who would then have been 12. I found him living with his parents Geo H. Van Cleft (41) and Mary E. Her mother, Jane Valentine, was living in the household, confirming this was the same family found in the 1880 census. However, Charles was not living in this household. The citation for this record is as follows: 1870 Census for Manhattan, taken 18-JULY-1870, page 3 (stamped 102), 21st Ward, ED 4, Dwelling 10, Family 12, Line 17, Microfilm Series M593, Roll 1009. I also found a Willimena Van Cleft living with a widowed Sarah Van Cleft in Middletown, Orange County, NY in the 1870 census. There is a chance, although not proven, that Charles may already have been widowed at this time. He was not listed in the household, and for the moment has still not been found in the 1870 census. To further tie George H. Van Cleft and his wife Mary E. Valentine with Charles Van Cleft and help solidify the claim he is the C.H. Van Cleft in the 1880 census, I went back to see if I could locate the two men as boys in the same household. I found them together in the 1850 census for Goshen, Orange County, NY. The head of the household is Hector Van Cleft. Others with him are abbreviated to Sarah Van C., etc. The children are: George H. (21), Theodore (14), and Chas. (8). Looking for Van Cleft might not have turned up the kids, nor would a search for Charles. I found this record searching for Chas Van Cleft with Soundex. This found him in both 1850 and 1860. The citation for this record is as follows: 1850 Census for Goshen, Orange County, NY, taken 31-OCT-1850, Page stamped 372, Dwelling 125, Family 127, Line 18, Microfilm Series M653, Roll 835. Charles also is in the same household in 1860, age 18, and it would seem his father has died. Going forward, there doesn't seem to be a Charles Van Cleft listed as a Civil War veteran, so he would not show up in what remains of the 1890 census. The last census I checked was 1900. I found Charles Van Cleeft and his wife Annie E. living in Manhattan. He was born May 1842 and she was born May 1851. She is the mother of 2 children, none of whom are living. The couple has been married only 13 years, so I suggested Sue try to locate the marriage certificate to verify whether or not this is her Charles Van Cleft. The citation for this record is as follows: 1900 Census for Manhattan, taken 5-JUNE-1900, Sheet 4A, page stamped 300, SD 1, ED 634, Dwelling 34, Family 83, Line 40, Microfilm Series T623, Roll 1109. Sue says Charles died in 1902 so this is the last census record in which he would have appeared. If anyone else wants to try looking for the wife (Bessie Josephine Lawrence), please post your results to the list. -- Laura H. Congleton > From: Sue Maxwell <suemaxwell@comcast.net> > Reply-To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:50:03 -0600 > To: <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [NYNEWYOR] lookup > > I have been trying to find Charles Van Cleft 1842-1902 ( New York) and his > wife Bessie Josephine Lawrence on any census record on ancestry and all I > can find is his birth and death; if anyone has Heritage Quest- could you > give it a try? Thanks, Sue

Hello list, I recently found out that my mother's family lived (before moving to Bklyn) in Vermont, and later in Potsdam, NY. I would appreciate info on where I should contact for b/m/d records. Thank you in advance. Janet Truncali

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