I stand corrected. Smedly Darlington Butler, born 30 July 1881, received his first award as a Major for action at Vera Cruz 22 April 1914. As for Daniel Joseph Daly, born 11 November 1873, Glen Cove LI, NY. His first award was for action on 14 August 1900 in the battle of Peking, China (Boxer Rebellion). At the time he held the rank of PVT. His second award was received, for action in the Haitian Campaign, as was Smedly Butler's second award. Butler was still a Major, while Daly had risen to the rank of Gunnery Sergeant. Daly was then (from citation): "Serving with the 15th Company of Marines on 22 October 1915, G/Sgt. Daly was one of the company to leave Fort Liberte, Haiti, for a 6-day reconnaissance. After dark on the evening of 24 October, while crossing the river in a deep ravine, the detachment was suddenly fired upon from 3 sides by about 400 Cacos concealed in bushes about 100 yards from the fort. The marine detachment fought its way forward to a good position, which it maintained during the night, although subjected to continuous fire from the Cacos. At daybreak the marines, in 3 squads, advanced in 3 different directions, surprising and scattering the Cacoas in all directions. G/Sgt. Daly fought with exceptional gallantry against heavy odds throughout this action." Smedly Butler served as the Commanding Officer of detachments from the 5th, 13th and 23rd Companies, where he lead the attack on Fort Riviere, Haiti on 17 November 1915. It was for this action he received his second Medal of Honor. WW II "Manila" John Basilone was only awarded 1 Medal of Honor, he was awarded the Navy Cross (nation's 2nd highest award) for the action in which he was killed. As to what has changed .... many things come to mind. For starters, the Marine Corps, like the Navy only wore chevrons (stripes) on the left arm prior to WW II. When I entered the corps in May 1953 there were only 7 enlisted pay grades. In 1959 all branches of service, were increased to 9 pay grades. Pre 1959 M/Sgt, 1st Sgt & Sgt Major were all E-7 with just different titles. With the change in 1959 the Marine Corps brought forth the present day Lance Corporal as an E-3 replacing the former Corporal E-3, likewise the former Sergeant E-4 was replaced by the Corporal E-4 as was the Staff Sergeant E-5 replaced by the Sergeant E-5. I was personally involved in the middle of this change. As any marine enlisted person can tell you there is a world of difference between being a "buck" Sergeant and being a STAFF NCO! This was one of my causes of leaving the corps in Oct 1965. By 1968 and the expansion of the numbers of personnel these inequities has pretty much straightened themselves out. An example being in 1960 & 1961 I shot as a member of both the 2nd Force Service Regiment and the Marine corps base Camp LeJeune rifle teams. My shooting partner in 1961 was a young Corporal named David Luke, as such Lindstedt & Luke were paired as old and new shooters. Sgt.( he was promoted in 1961) Dave Luke won the National Service rifle CHAMPIONSHIP. In 1968 he also won the same championship, but now held the "temporary" rank of Captain. He was later reverted back to the rank of Warrant Officer W-3 at the end of the Viet Nam War. Prior to 1968 there was no Military Police MOS for marines. In 1956 - 1958 I served as a MP with the Fort Mifflin, Naval Ammunition Depot, Philadelphia guard detachment. ALL MARINES were trained and expected to serve as Military Police. There was no Sniper/Scout MOS. In 1960 while a member of the MCB Camp LeJeune rifle team I attended a 3 day "school" in sniper training where we engaged targets at 800 yards. It was conducted on "Charlie" range at the rifle range at Court House Bay. They had to block of the road as the range was limited to 600 yards and we shot from the far side of the paring lot in the wood line across the road. Prior to 1956 the Marine corps taught NO DEFENSIVE COMBAT TACTICS! The corps was taught to be only an OFFENSIVE COMBAT organization. Today most Mess Sgts. are past history with McDonalds & Burger King found on most bases. "C" rations left the corps and MREs came on board in about 1990 and Desert Storm. Pre Viet Nam "C" rations came complete with CIGARETS to go with the greasy sausage patties. In Butler & Daly's day, troops had gone from the Krag rifle to a few on the detachment on the Maine and others being armed with the 6mm Lee "straight pull" rifle, to the new 1903 Springfield rifle, modified in WW II to the 1903A3 rifle and replaced by the M1 Grand, M1 & M2 Carbine and a handful of (Marine invented) Johnson rifles and light machine guns. 1962 saw the replacement of the M1 Garand as the standard service rifle with the M14 and the adoption of the 7.62mm NATO round. The BAR was replaced by the M60 machine gun. The WW 1 vintage .50 cal Browning machine guns were removed from the line and put in storage. The corps went from amphibious landings via cargo nets & "peter" boats to the vertical envelopment by the helicopter. Viet Nam brought about the resurrection of the .50 cal "Ma Duce" machine gun and ultimately adoption of the M16 rifle. May I further suggest contact with the Marine Corps Association. I would believe (as I have read some) they have published several articles in both the "MARINE CORPS GAZETTE" and "LEATHERNECK MAGAZINE" on Daly. The license plate bracket on the rear of my car says " U.S. ARMY RETIRED" but .... the plate on the front of the car reads: "ONCE A MARINE ... ALWAYS A MARINE" Semper fi; Dave =============== On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:44:51 -0600 "PJ & Bev Roarke" <[email protected]> writes: > David, > I've hit a new low, a retired Dog face counseling me on military > terms, > HaHa. Your right about the term "Win" , Awarded is correct. Thanks. > Are you > located in NY? I have allot of the basic info on Dan Daly, his > military > record, citations, duty stations pictures, etc. One big thing I'm > going > attempt to convey in my book is the vast differences in today's > Marine Corps > and the Corps of 1899-1920, as well as the differences in everyday > life. I > have been trying to get info on Glen Cove (his birthplace) and > Glendale (his > retirement residence) Plus he worked at a wall street bank when he > retired > as a security guard. I would love to get some info on that. The Old > newspaper Brooklyn Eagle would probably have some articles if I > could > access them. I posted on the Daly site in hopes of finding a > distant > relative as he never married or had kids himself. To maybe get some > insight > into his family tree. Anything you could give me would be greatly > appreciated. Just for the record "Sarge" General Butler was never a > enlisted > man and earned his two MOH's as an Officer. The first in Vera Cruz, > Mexico > (1914) and the second in Haiti (1915), John Basilone earned one MOH > on > Guadalcanal and a Navy Cross on Iwo Jima. Were even. Thanks > again. > Semper Fi > Top > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David J Lindstedt" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [NYNAS ] Dan Daly > > > > PLEASE, my friend, do not use the word "WIN" or "WINNER" in > connection > > with the Congressional Medal of Honor or any other AWARD or MEDAL. > WAR > > is not a lottery. Medals are not WON.. THEY ARE EARNED AND > AWARDED. > > > > The terms "WIN" and "WINNER" are civilian views of the military! > > > > I will see what I can dig up for you on Dan Daly. As you know > Smedly D. > > Butler was also awarded two medals of Honor as was "Manilia" John > > Basilone. Not sure if Buttler's two were awarded as enlisted man. > I > > know one was. Basilone was enlisted. I have book of all > citations for > > the MHO and in regular contact with Ramond "Mike" Clausen, who is > former > > Marine who recieved the Medal in Viet Nam. > > > > Semper fi; > > David J. Lindstedt, Sr > > former Sgt of Marines (E-4 & E-5) 1953-1965 > > M/Sgt US ARMY (retired) > > ===== > > > > On 16 Nov 2002 08:24:22 -0700 [email protected] writes: > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing > list. > > > > > > Surnames: Daly > > > Classification: Query > > > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRB.2ACE/460 > > > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > > > I'm a Marine who is doing research for a book on former Marine > Sgt > > > Major Dan Daly. The only enlisted Marine to win two Medals of > Honor. > > > Born in Glencove NY on Nov 11, 1873. > > > Died in Glendale NY on April 27th 1938. Any info on him or where > to > > > look would be greatly appreciated. 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