I would really appreciate it if someone would please lookup two obituaries for me if it is not inconvenient ? First one is Edwin E MERSEREAU,age 65. He died on 2 May 1949 in East Meadow, Nassau County ,New York. The second one is my aunt and his wife, Lydia C MERSEREAU, who died about 30 October 1968. I believe she was living in Garden City or Great Neck, Nassau County, New York at that time. Thank you, Bernadette Connelly

For more information on the Family History Fair, Sunday, October 6th, go to: www.nycarchivists.org/fhf.html Best regards. Nancy. Nancy Coleman [email protected] Professional NYC & LI Research Services www.GenealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html [email protected] Coordinator, Nassau County GenExchange http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?state=ny&county=nassau List Administrator, LI-Rooters http://www.genexchange.org/MailListForm.cfm?cat=NY

The NYC Metro Chapter of the Association of Professional Genealogists Presents ANCESTORS ROAD SHOW at The Family History Fair Co-sponsored by the Archivists Round Table of Metropolitan New York Continuing Education & Public Programs, The Graduate Center, CUNY Sunday, October 6, 2002 *** 12 Noon to 5pm FREE ADMISSION The Graduate Center, City University Of New York 365 Fifth Avenue (at 34th Street), Manhattan Bring us your ancestors! Following the model of the “Antiques Road Show” on public television, the NYC Metro Chapter of the Association of Professional Genealogists will sponsor a FREE one-to-one “professional advice” event between professional genealogists and any family history researcher who attends this year’s Family History Fair. This forum is designed to help both the novice and the advanced family history researcher. The NYC Metro Chapter of the APG hopes to have experts available in many areas of genealogy that may be of interest to attendees. Choose ONE genealogical problem that you would like to discuss with a professional. Each consultation session will be limited to about 15 minutes. Prepare and bring with you any material you would like to use (family group sheet, a particular document, etc.) to illustrate your problem or question. Sign up at the APG booth upon your arrival at the Family History Fair. You will be assigned an appointment time for your session. Return to the APG booth at your appointment time and ask away! The only dumb question is the one that is never asked. Nancy Coleman [email protected] Professional NYC & LI Research Services www.GenealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html [email protected] Coordinator, Nassau County GenExchange http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?state=ny&county=nassau List Administrator, LI-Rooters http://www.genexchange.org/MailListForm.cfm?cat=NY

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRB.2ACE/442 Message Board Post: Looking for Jeff and Scott whom were in Corinth NY during Americade 2002.

On 10/3/02 (8:35:43 AM MDT), in a private eMail, John L. Carpenter ([email protected]) asked, "Do you have any Hx of Sea Cliff" The Village of Sea Cliff is the most unique community in either Nassau or Suffolk County: the village and the postal zone are 100% coterminous. The pertinent geography: The Village of Sea Cliff (incorporated in 1883) is in the northwestern part of the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County. There are 18 hamlets and 18 villages all or partly within the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Village of Sea Cliff is bordered on the north by the City of Glen Cove; on the east by the Hamlet of Glen Head; on the south by the Hamlet of Glenwood Landing; and, on the west by Port Washington Harbor. And, unlike every other of the 293 communities (2 cities + 95 villages + 196 hamlets = 293 communities) in either Nassau or Suffolk Counties, the village (Sea Cliff) and the postal zone (Sea Cliff, NY) that use the same name, have the exact same border: ........................................................acres ………Village of Sea Cliff...................752 ...........Sea Cliff, NY 11579.................752 Thus, every place in the Village of Sea Cliff has a Sea Cliff, NY mailing address and every place with a Sea Cliff, NY mailing address is in the Village of Sea Cliff. No other city, village or hamlet on Long Island can make this statement. For those who have their copy of the 2001 LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Sea Cliff (incorporated in 1883) in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County on pages 5 & 11 (map) and 12 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Rooters & Rootsers, Nassau County has told a prominent preservation group that at the end of this year it will discontinue a contract through which the group manages 31 historic houses and apartments. Under an agreement signed in 1974, the county is losing at least $200,000 a year, Parks Commissioner Doreen Banks said, because the Friends for Long Island's Heritage has rented the properties at reduced rates and not redirected enough of that income into repair of the buildings. Full story: (Please copy and paste ENTIRE URL into your browser) http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/ny-liheri032949687oct03,0,5791412.sto ry?coll=ny%2Dnews%2Dprint Walter Greenspan

Forwarded...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Frosty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Hicksville,LI > > > > Can anyone answer this question? > Just by-the-bye, I would suppose that someone in this HICKS family must > be the person for whom Hicksville NY (in Nassau County) is named. That > could provide hints for further "local" research, and also of interest for > anyone (like me) interested in visiting locales of ancestors. Alas, I don't > think much--if any--of old Hicksville exists any longer > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >

On 10/2/02 (9:14:29 AM MDT), Jack Frosty ([email protected]) asked, "Can anyone answer this question? Just by-the-bye, I would suppose that someone in this HICKS family must be the person for whom Hicksville NY (in Nassau County) is named. That could provide hints for further "local" research, and also of interest for anyone (like me) interested in visiting locales of ancestors. Alas, I don't think much--if any--of old Hicksville exists any longer." The Hamlet of Hicksville in the Town of Oyster Bay is named after Valentine Hicks of the Hamlet of Jericho in the Town of Oyster Bay. Valentine Hicks was the second president of the Long Island Rail Road and he brought the LIRR to 'Hicksville' in 1837. The pertinent geography: Hicksville -- once the potato capital of LI -- is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the center-west part of the Town of Oyster Bay (along the Oyster Bay/North Hempstead/Hempstead town line), Nassau County. There are 18 hamlets and 18 villages all or partly within the Town of Oyster Bay. There are 2 cities and 3 towns in Nassau County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise: The Hamlet of Hicksville in the Town of Oyster Bay is bordered on the north by the Hamlets of Jericho and Syosset; on the east by the Hamlets of Plainview and Bethpage; on the south by the Hamlet of Levittown in the Town of Hempstead (the Oyster Bay/Hempstead town lone); and, on the west by the Hamlet of Salisbury in the Town of Hempstead and the Hamlet of New Cassel in the Town of North Hempstead (Oyster Bay/Hempstead/North Hempstead town line). And, as occurs in all but one of Nassau County's 136 communities (2 cities, 64 villages and 70 hamlets), the Hamlet of Hicksville has a different border than does the "Hicksville, NY 11801" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Hicksville mailing address and not be in Hicksville and a place can be in Hicksville and have other than a Hicksville mailing address). .........................................acres ......Hamlet of Hicksville.......4,359 ......Hicksville, NY 11801.....4,233 Currently, there are places with a "Bethpage, NY 11714", "Jericho, NY 11753" and "Westbury, NY 11590" mailing address that are actually in the Hamlet of Hicksville. In the late 1940s, prior to the construction of Levittown (and the ensuing secession of the Hamlet of Levittown, mostly in the Town of Hempstead, but also partly in the Town of Oyster Bay) and the creation of the "Levittown, NY 11756" ZIP Code, that area was included in the "Hicksville, NY" postal zone. For those who have their copy of the 2001 LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Hicksville in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County on pages 5 & 11 (map) and 12 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Forwarded....Unc ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: "Jack Frosty" <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Subject: {not a subscriber} Hx of Glen Ciove Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:03:47 -0600 Joseph Carpenter, came from Providence, R.I. to Long Island,NY and purchased 100 acres of land from the Matinecock Indians on May 24,1668. He Called it "Museta Cove after a Indian Name meaning " Place of Rushes ". In 1829 steamboat Linnaeus, began making weekly stops here. But Many refused to get off the boat ,thinking "This place must be infested with Mustkeeta's ". The Townsfolk held a meeting in 1834 to comeup with a more appealing name. A sugestion was made to call it "GLENCOE ", in Honor of a massacre site in Scotland in 1692. After discussion it was accepted to changed to GLEN COVE. Thus after a misunderstanding of the pronouciation it became a town name. SOURCE : Newsday ,LI Leading Newspaper Sunday News column April 3 , 1994 John L. Carpenter Walpole,NH My Home pages http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

> I'm hoping someone can find some info for me on a Martin Wiley LITTLETON who > died in Mineola on 19 Dec 1934. He was a lawyer, Pres (?) of Brooklyn 1903 > and a Congressman 1911-1913. > I did a google search and got 45 hits on his name. Here's what the Biographical Directory of the United States Congress has to say: LITTLETON, Martin Wiley, a Representative from New York; born near Kingston, Roane County, Tenn., January 12, 1872; moved to Texas in 1881 with his parents, who settled in Dallas; attended the common schools; studied law; was admitted to the bar in 1891 and commenced practice in Dallas, Tex.; prosecuting attorney of Dallas County 1893-1896; moved to New York City in 1896 and continued the practice of his profession; district attorney of Kings County, N.Y., 1900-1904; delegate to the Democratic National Convention in 1904; president of the Borough of Brooklyn in 1904 and 1905; elected as a Democrat to the Sixty-second Congress (March 4, 1911-March 3, 1913); was not a candidate for reelection in 1912 to the Sixty-third Congress; resumed the practice of law and resided in New York City and Mineola, Nassau County, Long Island; died at Mineola, N.Y., on December 19, 1934; interment in the Littleton family mausoleum, Woodlawn Cemetery, New York City. They cite Dictionary of American Biography as source which is almost sure to have his parents' names. Another site says he owned and occupied the Nicoll manor house in Plaindome. Woodlawn Cemetery is very good about sharing interment information; last year I called and they faxed me a list for the burial site of my cousin's family. Give it a try. Russell

Hello all, I'm hoping someone can find some info for me on a Martin Wiley LITTLETON who died in Mineola on 19 Dec 1934. He was a lawyer, Pres (?) of Brooklyn 1903 and a Congressman 1911-1913. I'm desparetly looking for something that tells WHO his parents were. If anyone can find an obit for him, I'd be very grateful. He's buried in the LITTLETON mausoleum in Woodlawn Cem in NY. I'd LOVE to know the names and dates of the others buried with him if anyone has access to that data. Many thanks - Terry Littleton (sponsor of [email protected])

Hi Listers, now would be a good time to update your virus programs.... Regards, Fred, List Admin http://home.att.net/~unclefred www.rootsweb.com/~nyessex

This coming Sunday, Westchester County Genealogical Society will have a booth at the Family History Fair in NYC. If you attending the FHF, please stop by and say hello! Thanks, Philomena ([email protected]) Westchester County Genealogical Society Visit our web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywcgs/ The following information was taken from the FHF website and/or thru an email from FHF. DATE: Sunday, October 6, 2002 - TIME: Open to the public from 12 noon to 5 PM. PLACE: The Graduate Center, City University of New York, 365 Fifth Avenue, northeast corner of 34th Street, Manhattan. All activities are on the lower level. ADMISSION: Free to the public WEB SITE: http://www.nycarchivists.org/fhf.html SPECIAL EVENT Similar to the idea of the "Antiques Road Show" on public television, the NYC Metro Chapter of the Association of Professional Genealogists (APG) is pleased to announce their sponsorship of a FREE one-to-one "professional advice" event between professional genealogists and any family history researcher who attends this year's Family History Fair. This forum is designed to help both the novice and the advanced family history researcher. The NYC APG hopes to have experts available in many areas of genealogy that may be of interest to attendees Choose ONE genealogical problem that you would like to discuss with a professional. Each consultation session will be limited to about 15 minutes. Prepare and bring with you any material you would like to use (family group sheet, a particular document, etc.) to illustrate your problem or question. Sign up at the APG booth upon your arrival at the Family History Fair. You will be assigned an appointment time for your session. Return to the APG booth at your appointment time and ask away! WORKSHOPS & EXHIBITORS This is the schedule of workshops and a list of Exhibitors planned for the Family History Fair on Sunday, October 6, 2002. The lists are subject to change, and a final schedule will be available at the Fair. Workshops - 2002 12:30 to 1:15 pm Your Immigrant Ancestors: Find 'em in Cyberspace John W. Konvalinka, CGRS, CGL Metro New York Genealogy & Computers Group 31 Chambers Street: New York City's "Mall of Records" Jordan Auslander, Professional genealogist Italian Genealogy: Getting Started June C. DeLalio, CG Italian Genealogical Group Afro-American Family History Research Khadijah Matin, Afro-American Historical & Genealogical Society, Jean Sampson Scott Greater New York Chapter 1:30 to 2:15 pm Genealogy and the Internet: An Introduction David Kleiman, Metro New York Genealogy & Computers Group Jewish Genealogy: Getting Started Gary Mokotoff, Avotaynu The Myths and Realities of Adoption Search Joseph M. Soll, CSW Adoption Crossroads The Stuff of a Family History: Exploring Tangible Family Memories Hunter Demos, Photo researcher and exhibition curator 2:30 to 3:15 pm The Search for Family History through Videotape Interviewing: How Finding Family Stories Can Heal Kate Wenner, Novelist and former award-winning ABC 20/20 television producer This program is sponsored by the Jewish Genealogical Society. Tracing Your Immigrant Ancestors Thomas A. Peters, Professional genealogist Military Records: Learn About Your Uniformed Ancestors John F. Walter, Institute for Civil War Research Discovering Hidden Lives: Women's Memorials Roberta Halporn, Compiler of New York is a Rubber's Paradise 3:30 to 4:15 Famous, Infamous or Not Famous at All: Find Your Family Online in ProQuest's New York Times Database, 1851-2002 Leslie Corn, Professional genealogist Harlem History and Hearsay: The Significant Elders Intergenerational Project Malika Lee Whitney, Pickney Productions Puerto Rican Family History Research Puerto Rican/Hispanic Genealogical Society Irish Genealogical Research Donna M. Moughty, Professional genealogist Spin Me A Tale: Bring Family History to Life Through Storytelling Lisa Lipkin, Professional storyteller, Author of Bringing the Story Home: The Complete Guide to Storytelling for Parents ===================================== Exhibitors - 2002 Adoption Crossroads www.adoptioncrossroads.org African-Atlantic Genealogical Society, Inc. www.africantic.com African Burial Ground Project [email protected] Afro-American Historical and Genealogical Society, Jean Sampson Scott Greater N Y Chapter www.aahgsny.org Afro-American Historical and Genealogical Society, New Jersey Chapter http://hometown.aol.com/njcaahgs/myhomepage/index.html Archivists Round Table of Metropolitan New York, Inc. www.nycarchivists.org Association of Professional Genealogists / NYC Metro Chapter www.apgen.org www.apgen.org/localchapters/newyork Avotaynu, Inc. www.avotaynu.com BioFiles LLC www.biofilesllc.com Brooklyn Genealogy Workshop [email protected] Celtic Heritage Books [email protected] Center for Jewish History, Genealogy Institute www.cjh.org/family Center for Thanatology www.thanatology.org Central Jersey Genealogical Club www.rootsweb.com/~njcjgc Creative Memories / Susannah Benson www.creativememories.com/susannahbenson Genealogical Society of Bergen County, Inc. www.rootsweb.com/~njgsbc German Genealogy Group, Inc. www.germangenealogygroup.com The Hispanic Genealogical Society of New York www.hispanicgenealogy.com Huntington Historical Society Genealogy Workshop www.huntingtonhistoricalsociety.org Institute for Civil War Research / John F. Walter http://members.aol.com/icwrjohn/icwr.html The Irish Family History Forum www.ifhf.org Italian Genealogical Group www.italiangen.org Jewish Genealogical Society, Inc. www.jgsny.org Jonathan Sheppard Books www.jonathansheppardbooks.com Metro New York Genealogy & Computers Group: New York Personal Computer User Group / New York Macintosh User Group / New York Metro Area PAF User Group http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~metrony National Archives and Records Administration, Northeast Region (New York City) www.archives.gov New York City Department of Records and Information Services, Municipal Archives www.nyc.gov/html/doris New York Chapter, Sons of the American Revolution [email protected] New York County Clerk The New York Genealogical and Biographical Society www.nygbs.org New York Irish History Roundtable www.irishnyhistory.com Peter Minuit Chapter, National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution www.molsk.com/dar Thomas A. Peters: Carpatho-Rusyn and Slovak Ancestral Research [email protected] Pickney Productions / "Significant Elders" Intergenerational Project [email protected] Puerto Rican/Hispanic Genealogical Society www.rootsweb.com/~prhgs Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn, Office of the Archivist www.dioceseofbrooklyn.org/about/archive/abt_arch_archives.html Roosevelt Island Historical Society [email protected] Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture, New York Public Library www.schomburgcenter.org Scottish Heritage & Ancestral Research Society www.shars.org Society for the Preservation of Weeksville and Bedford-Stuyvesant History www.weeksvillesociety.org The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. / American Family Immigration History Center www.ellisisland.org www.ellisislandrecords.org Veteran Corps of Artillery / Military Society of the War of 1812 www.vca1790.org Welsh-American Genealogical Society www.rootsweb.com/~vtwags Westchester County Genealogical Society www.rootsweb.com/~nywcgs

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ABBATE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRB.2ACE/440.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks so much for your help. I was lucky enough to get an obituary from the area newspaper which states he had no relatives in Freehold. Now, I need to find the nephew in Wading River, NY who is unlisted.

a recent post of the capsizing of the sloop Alice with loss of life of Capt. Benj. ABRAMS adopted son, Joseph Augustus of Bluw Point included the fact that the mate on the Alice was William HULSE. Does anyone know of William HULSE, his parents, wife or children, or siblings. Looking for info on Annie HULSE, died 1960's. Annie's Dad may have been Charles HULSE. thanks, valerie in florida __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRB.2ACE/440.1 Message Board Post: Go to the people pages at www.superpages.com. Fill in the LAST name with Freehold NJ then check off search surrounding area. You will come back with about 7 hits some of which are in Freehold. Ttowns listed are within a reasonable distance from Freehold. Stefanie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Clapp, Dorland, Powell, Bedell, Allen, Udall, Smith/Pearsall Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lRB.2ACE/441 Message Board Post: Henry Allen b. abt 1675, d. 19Aug1728 Great Neck, married Mary Udall b. 14Oct677 Flushing, d. 1747 Great Neck. Trying to find information re this family. One daughter, Ruth Allen, married Elias Clapp 28Jul1727 Hempstead. Any information would be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Abbate and Reimer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRB.2ACE/440 Message Board Post: I was born in 1941 to Edna Reimer and Emil Abbate. If anyone can tell me how to reach relatives of this man who died in 1995 in Freehold, NJ, I would be very grateful. Also need info on names of hospitals in the Bronx which were operating in 1941. Thanks for your help.

Thank you so much, Walter, for the address for the Nassau property info! I just spent a wonderful hour going up and down the street that my parents, grandparents, g-grandparents and various aunts and uncles lived on! I've already emailed the address to the rest of the family so they can see as well! Pam C.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stubbs, Romans Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lRB.2ACE/193.198.200.205.2 Message Board Post: I am researching the STUBBS family in Nassau/Queens county for a friend, and I think that your Angeline Seaman Stubbs is his g-g-grandmother. I've followed his family back through most of the censuses and I think that he is related directly to Angeline's son, Edgar. But I'm still trying to connect all the Stubbs in North Hempstead to each other, so I'd like to compare notes with you if you are still searching, too.