Phyllis, Direct Descendants of Jacob N. Gardenier 1 Jacob N. GARDENIER bp. 21 Feb 1728 at Albany Reformed Dutch Church, Albany Co., NY d: 1791 ... +Dirkje VAN DER WERKEN bp. 8 Mar 1732 at Albany Reformed Dutch Church, Albany Co., NY m: c. 1752 ....... 2 Rachel GARDENIER bp. 4 Mar 1755 at Schenectady Reformed Church, Schenectady Co., NY ........... +Jacobus "Cobus" CROMWELL m. c. 1773 I don't know of any Riker/Ryker connection to the Gardiniers. That was an interesting 1778 bp. record that you quoted. There was no name given for the child. The sponsors were probably Jacob N. Gardinier and Dirkje Van Der Werken who had a daughter Rachel bp. 1755. If this is the correct Rachel to be the 1776 sponsor that you mentioned, she was living in the Fonda area by the age of 3, and the family was still living in that area in 1776. I have a note that Jacob lived in Charleston (south of Fonda) for part of his adult life. This may be where he raised his children. Perhaps Rachel and Cristina Baromore were childhood friends. If so, then this particular child of Cristina would have been her first or second because of her age. If you know that Cristina is an older woman than the Rachel Gardinier that I have mentioned, then the Rachel you mentioned is not the daughter of Jacob and Dirkje. In case she is, however, I have given a descendent list above to help you get some possible clues. The sponsors for Rachel Gardenier's bp. were Jilles Fonda and Jannitje Fonda. They probably have some connection to whomever the city of Fonda was named for. By the way, Jacob was bp. in Albany. His surname was spelled Gardenier in the Albany RDC records. Gardinier and Gardineer were more common spellings in Montgomery Co., but they were not accurate. The GARDENIER spelling is the original. Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Okpmj@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/03/2000 2:04:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, > clifflamere@global2000.net writes: > > > > > The GARDENIER surname is Dutch. It is also spelled GARDINIER, GARDINEER > > and GARDENEAR in Montgomery Co. records, but the original spelling in > > this country was Gardenier. Most of them came to Montgomery Co. from > > what is now Albany and Columbia counties of New York State as far as I > > can tell. I would be interested to learn about any who came from > > elsewhere. > > > > If you have any Gardeniers in Montgomery Co., I would be interested to > > learn what other surnames they connect to. By learning the names of the > > parents and siblings of the spouse of a Gardenier, it will sometimes > > help in establishing who were the parents of the Gardenier. The Dutch > > usually (not always) named the first two boys and first two girls after > > the parents of the husband and wife. > > > > Of course, I would be interested in any information about the Gardenier > > families as well. > > > > I may be able to help you with the Gardeniers if you can help me with > > the family that the spouse of a Gardenier came from. > > > > Cliff Lamere Albany, NY > > > Dear Cliff: > I do not YET have a Gardenier connection although I have long suspected that > there is a connection between that family and my Ryker/Riker line. My > gggGrandfather was Jacob Riker/Ryker. At the LDS Family History Center, I > found the Fonda NY Reformed Church Records 1758-1858 on film #534214 Not only > are two of Jacob's children listed in those records, but I believe Jacob's > own birth record and at least two of his siblings are in those same records. > Although no witnesses or sponsors are listed at Jacob christening, his > parents are listed as Hendrich Ryke and Catrina Barmore/Barmoer in 1774, and > these same parents had a daughter, Rachel, born in 1776 and one of her > sponsors or witnesses was Rachel Gardiner. Then in 1778 the same parents had > another child, not named in the record, whose witnesses or sponsors were > Jacob Gardinier and Derkje Gardinier. Since it is often the custom for > relatives to be the sponsors of children at baptism, I have often thought > there was a connection between the Gardiniers and the Ryker/Rikers, but I > have never been able to prove it. > Can you or anyone else provide any addition information? > Many thanks for any help. > > Phyllis Jensen > e-mail: okpmj@aol.com > > > ==== NYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites: http://www.cyndislist.com/ > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi