I must respectfully disagree with some of the things said in Jeanne Cromwell's email to the list today (copied at the bottom of this email). First, there is no record of a 1774 marriage at the Caughnawaga RDC between Jacobus Cromwell and Rachel Gardinier (at least not in Kelly's transcribed records). Such a marriage did occur, but I haven't found the record for it yet. Their first child was born 13 Apr 1774 so it is more likely that they married in 1773. Rachel was herself bp. 4 Mar 1755, so the marriage is not likely to have occurred before 1771 when she would have been 16. Second, Rachel's bp. record showed her as GARDENIER, whereas she was listed as GARDINIER at the baptisms of her three Cromwell children at Caughnawaga RDC in Fonda. She was NOT listed as a Gardiner, which is the spelling that Jeanne used in her email. Third, the GARDENIER/GARDINIER/GARDINEER line is Dutch. The Gardenier spelling has been traced back to Holland where it was used by the father and brother of the first Gardenier in this country, and where many other records using that spelling have been found. The GARDINER line is English and/or possibly Scotch. Jean said in her Feb 3 message to this list, "My Gardiner family is traced back to George Gardiner, b Bef 1630, England, d Abt 1677 Newport, R.I" Therefore, I am certain that the Rachel Gardinier who married Jacobus Cromwell was unrelated to the Gardiner surname. I have shown Rachel and her parents in another email that I am sending to this mail list today. Cliff Lamere Albany, NY ECGINGER@aol.com wrote: > Phyllis > We may have a connection: Jacobus Cromwell, b 1754, Schenectady, m Rachel > Gardiner in 1774 at the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Caughnawaga, > Fonda, New York > Children: > Phillip I. Cromwell, b Apr. 13, 1774, Fonda, N.Y., bp May 12, 1774, d Nov. > 29, 1857, buried Carlisle, N.Y., m Apr. 28, 1799 Maryte Graft in Caughnawaga > Reformed Church, Fonda, N.Y. > Stephen, b 1776, Fonda, N.Y., m 1709 Hannah Dayton, Fonda, N.Y. > Hermanus, b 1777, Fonda, N.Y. > > If you need it I have the Cromwell line from 1683 to present. > I also have our Gardiner line from George Gardiner from 1637 to present > > I am still TRYING to connect Rachel Gardiner to the George Gardiner line. The > Cromwells and Gardiner also connect in the 1800's when Chester Irving > Gardiner (of Berne, N.Y.) married Nancy M. Montanye. - Their daughter, > Arvilla Gardiner m Apr. 27, 1885, Frank James Cromwell. Arvilla and Frank are > my grandparents. > > I have found the spelling of Gardiner several ways. Gardinier, Gardineer, > etc. They all seem to have migrated to the Mohawk Valley - Albany, > Schenectady, Duanesburg, Esperance, Fonda etc. > > If you obtain any more information re: Rachel, I would appreciate a copy. > Also, would be glad to share any information with you. > > We originally lived in upstate New York, Esperance, Schenectady, etc. > > Jeanne Cromwell > 8121 52nd. Lane > Pinellas Park, Fl. 33781 > > ==== NYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Visit the New York State GenWeb site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ > Montgomery County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi