Marsha, I am very interested in Gardenier information from ANYWHERE. The earliest Gardeniers lived in the areas that would be today's Albany Co., southern Rensselaer Co., and Columbia Co Many families then moved to the Mohawk Valley. Some went to Canada, some to the US mid-west. The ones that I have from Montgomery Co. seem to have had only one, two or three children, then they are absent from the bp. record. They may have moved elsewhere to find work and raise their family comfortably. I would like to know where they went. Any information that you or anybody have about Gardeniers would be welcome. Thank you for the information on Gardeniers that you already sent. Part of the Quackenbush information was new for me. My comments below may be of some small help to you. Concerning your #1 Rachel Gardenier, here are her parents. 1 Johannes QUACKENBOS ... +Rachel GARDENIER bp. 2 Jan 1726 at Albany Reformed Dutch Church, Albany Co., NY m: c. 1745 Father: Nicolaes (Claes) GARDENIER Mother: Rachel WINNE Concerning your #2 Rachel Gardenier, this is a difficult case. She was not a Gardenier except by marriage. That name appears in her marriage record because, as it says, she was a widow of Nicholas J. Gardenier. I believe Rachel's maiden name was either Barhydt or Van Denbergh. The same man may have married both Rachels, the first marriage, to Rachel Van Denbergh, taking place in 1784. His middle initial was listed as J. in that marriage record. I have no date for a marriage to Rachel Barhydt. Things are complicated by the fact that an 1808 bp. occurred at Caughnawaga RDC, the parents being Rachel Van Derbergh and Nicholas F. Gardineer. Sounds like the same couple to me, but was the woman really having children for 24 years? And was his middle initial really F. or J.? Another confirming record is needed. I have a promising Nicholas Gardenier (son of Jacob, so middle initial J. is reasonable) who was married to Rachel Barhydt. He died in Dec 1813. This also sounds promising. Your Rachel, widow of Nicholas J. Gardinier, remarried (to David Quackenbush) in 1816, so I believe that I have the correct man. I do not have birth dates or a marriage date for Nicholas and Rachel, which would be helpful. Your estimated date of birth for Rachel should be pushed back to about 1785-1790 in order to give her time for a first marriage (unless you are certain your estimated date is very close to correct). I could not find a bp. record for Rachel Barhydt at Reformed Churches at Caughnawaga (Fonda), Glen, Middletown (now Mapletown), Schenectady, Albany, Kinderhook, or Kingston. I mention these only to encourage confidence in the one bp. record of a Rachel that I did find, which was at the Schodack RDC at Muitzeskill, Rensselaer Co., NY. This Rachel is the likely Rachel to be the one in this marriage to Nicholas J. Gardenier and David Quackenbush. Of course, other church records should also be checked. Here is that one record: Born 6 Dec 1790, bp. 9 Jan 1791. Rachel, of Wouter Barheyd and Cathrina Hugenaar. [no wit.] Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ C M Strong wrote: > Hello Cliff, Jeanne, Phyllis, Pat, and other interested listers: > > I have Gardiniers marrying into my Quackenbush line -- > as Pat noted, I have seen the name also spelled with > an "o" -- in one of the Caughnawaga DRC records it > was quite clearly written as "Gordineer" -- I hadn't > thought to check indices for that speeling until I > saw that record. > > Anyway, here's who I have -- > > (1) Rachel Gardinier, born about 1720, d/o Nicholas > and Rachel, married Johannes QUACKENBOSCH, b. 1718, > s/o Peter and Neeltje Marinus Quackenbosch. > > (2) Rachel Gardinier, born about 1796, d/o ?? (sister > of Jacob, following-?) married David Quackenbush (s/o > Isaac and Dirckje (Van Alstyne) on 27 Jan 1816; DRC of > Caughnawaga, Montgomery Co. > > [obviously "Rachel" was a *very* popular name in this > family - yours was Rachel too wasn't it, Jeanne?] > > (3) Jacob Gordineer, born abt 1790, s/o ??, married > Rachel Quackenbush, d/o Abraham and Catrina (Huff) > on 17 Oct 1813; DRC of Caughnawaga, Montgomery Co. > > I think I also have some Gardiniers marrying into > either my Westfall or Countryman branches -- these > three were right fresh in my memory as I am doing > some work right now on this branch. Is this the > kind of info you are looking for, Cliff? Also, do > you want these marriages if they are *other than* > Montgomery County?? > > Marsha Strong > Gainesville, FL