Joanne, Our staff, here at the Dept. of History & Archives in Fonda, has checked our archival index and files on the shelf for "Papers of a Fort Plain Physician" and we are unable to locate this material. Can you tell me the source from where you got your information that we have that data here? I have checked around with the Fort Plain Museum, the Fort Plain Library, and our former historian here and no one seems to be familiar with this. I was told that someone out in Red Wing, Michigan may have gotten hold of some of the Ayres family papers as Mrs. Ayres was from there originally before marrying Dr. Ayres. Let me know, and I will try to help more if I am able. Kelly A. Yacobucci Asst. County Historian Montgomery Co. Dept. of History & Archives > If anyone is stopping in at the archives in Fonda and would be willing to do > a look-up, I would sincerely appreciate it! > > They have a work called "Papers of a Fort Plain Physician," including > obstetrical record book, 1868-80, Dr. Douglas Ayres papers 1868-1915. > > I am seeking page numbers of any mention of a female child born to Mrs. > Richard Harrison (nee Alvira Van Etta) in Ft. Plain on 23 April, 1873. I > believe that this family lived on the Erie Canal towpath in Ft. Plain. > > Many thanks! > > Joanne Garland > (Massachusetts)

I must respectfully disagree with some of the things said in Jeanne Cromwell's email to the list today (copied at the bottom of this email). First, there is no record of a 1774 marriage at the Caughnawaga RDC between Jacobus Cromwell and Rachel Gardinier (at least not in Kelly's transcribed records). Such a marriage did occur, but I haven't found the record for it yet. Their first child was born 13 Apr 1774 so it is more likely that they married in 1773. Rachel was herself bp. 4 Mar 1755, so the marriage is not likely to have occurred before 1771 when she would have been 16. Second, Rachel's bp. record showed her as GARDENIER, whereas she was listed as GARDINIER at the baptisms of her three Cromwell children at Caughnawaga RDC in Fonda. She was NOT listed as a Gardiner, which is the spelling that Jeanne used in her email. Third, the GARDENIER/GARDINIER/GARDINEER line is Dutch. The Gardenier spelling has been traced back to Holland where it was used by the father and brother of the first Gardenier in this country, and where many other records using that spelling have been found. The GARDINER line is English and/or possibly Scotch. Jean said in her Feb 3 message to this list, "My Gardiner family is traced back to George Gardiner, b Bef 1630, England, d Abt 1677 Newport, R.I" Therefore, I am certain that the Rachel Gardinier who married Jacobus Cromwell was unrelated to the Gardiner surname. I have shown Rachel and her parents in another email that I am sending to this mail list today. Cliff Lamere Albany, NY ECGINGER@aol.com wrote: > Phyllis > We may have a connection: Jacobus Cromwell, b 1754, Schenectady, m Rachel > Gardiner in 1774 at the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Caughnawaga, > Fonda, New York > Children: > Phillip I. Cromwell, b Apr. 13, 1774, Fonda, N.Y., bp May 12, 1774, d Nov. > 29, 1857, buried Carlisle, N.Y., m Apr. 28, 1799 Maryte Graft in Caughnawaga > Reformed Church, Fonda, N.Y. > Stephen, b 1776, Fonda, N.Y., m 1709 Hannah Dayton, Fonda, N.Y. > Hermanus, b 1777, Fonda, N.Y. > > If you need it I have the Cromwell line from 1683 to present. > I also have our Gardiner line from George Gardiner from 1637 to present > > I am still TRYING to connect Rachel Gardiner to the George Gardiner line. The > Cromwells and Gardiner also connect in the 1800's when Chester Irving > Gardiner (of Berne, N.Y.) married Nancy M. Montanye. - Their daughter, > Arvilla Gardiner m Apr. 27, 1885, Frank James Cromwell. Arvilla and Frank are > my grandparents. > > I have found the spelling of Gardiner several ways. Gardinier, Gardineer, > etc. They all seem to have migrated to the Mohawk Valley - Albany, > Schenectady, Duanesburg, Esperance, Fonda etc. > > If you obtain any more information re: Rachel, I would appreciate a copy. > Also, would be glad to share any information with you. > > We originally lived in upstate New York, Esperance, Schenectady, etc. > > Jeanne Cromwell > 8121 52nd. Lane > Pinellas Park, Fl. 33781 > > ==== NYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Visit the New York State GenWeb site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ > Montgomery County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Has anyone every heard of the Clinton Liberal Institute? In the mid 1880's it existed in Fort Plain. The institute was in some way associated with the Universalist Church. There may also have been an association with St. Lawrence University at Canton, NY. Thanks much, Roger Smith <ERDFEST@worldnet.att.net>

Dear Marsha, My name is Jim Blass. I have a record, DAR Cemetery project 56/125-127 page 135, found in the Albany State Library. Titled "Sharon Springs Township, Schoharie County, NY. That a Blass/Bloss family group is buried "On the left side of the road going to Sharon, on the old Turnpike Road on the John Countryman Farm." near Sharon Center, Schoharie Co, NY. Do you have any connections with that family name. Some of the persons buried on that farm are, Henry Blass-d. 5/6/1833(79yrs23dys), Henry Blass-d. 7/9/1813(65yrs2mo), William H. Blass-d.5/19,1823(43yrs),William H. Blass-son of William & Eva Blass,d.12/10/1822(18yrs). There are others listed, Cowden,Eldrege,Handy,Hone,Moore,Platner. My interest is obvious but more particularily,Volney Bloss was my GGF. He first appears in Novi, Oakland Co,MI in 1849/50 as a 19 year old. He marries in 1851 moves to Spart,MI where my GF George is born. I cannot connect Volney with the Sharon Blass's with documents, though I have a lot of circumstantial evidence which leads me to a connection with the Henry and William noted above. This then would lead me back to Johannes Blass of the 1709/10 Palatines in Columbia Co, NY. Sure would like to make a connection. Any Help? Jim Blass in Maryland 301.884.4182 ---Original Message----- From: C M Strong <cmstrong@mindspring.com> To: NYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com <NYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, February 07, 2000 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYMONTGO] Gardenier/Gardineer >Hello Cliff, Jeanne, Phyllis, Pat, and other interested listers: > >I have Gardiniers marrying into my Quackenbush line -- >as Pat noted, I have seen the name also spelled with >an "o" -- in one of the Caughnawaga DRC records it >was quite clearly written as "Gordineer" -- I hadn't >thought to check indices for that speeling until I >saw that record. > >Anyway, here's who I have -- > >(1) Rachel Gardinier, born about 1720, d/o Nicholas >and Rachel, married Johannes QUACKENBOSCH, b. 1718, >s/o Peter and Neeltje Marinus Quackenbosch. > >(2) Rachel Gardinier, born about 1796, d/o ?? (sister >of Jacob, following-?) married David Quackenbush (s/o >Isaac and Dirckje (Van Alstyne) on 27 Jan 1816; DRC of >Caughnawaga, Montgomery Co. > >[obviously "Rachel" was a *very* popular name in this >family - yours was Rachel too wasn't it, Jeanne?] > >(3) Jacob Gordineer, born abt 1790, s/o ??, married >Rachel Quackenbush, d/o Abraham and Catrina (Huff) >on 17 Oct 1813; DRC of Caughnawaga, Montgomery Co. > >I think I also have some Gardiniers marrying into >either my Westfall or Countryman branches -- these >three were right fresh in my memory as I am doing >some work right now on this branch. Is this the >kind of info you are looking for, Cliff? Also, do >you want these marriages if they are *other than* >Montgomery County?? > >Marsha Strong >Gainesville, FL > > >==== NYMONTGO Mailing List ==== >Visit the Montgomery County GenWeb page at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ > >============================== >Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. >

Phyllis, Direct Descendants of Jacob N. Gardenier 1 Jacob N. GARDENIER bp. 21 Feb 1728 at Albany Reformed Dutch Church, Albany Co., NY d: 1791 ... +Dirkje VAN DER WERKEN bp. 8 Mar 1732 at Albany Reformed Dutch Church, Albany Co., NY m: c. 1752 ....... 2 Rachel GARDENIER bp. 4 Mar 1755 at Schenectady Reformed Church, Schenectady Co., NY ........... +Jacobus "Cobus" CROMWELL m. c. 1773 I don't know of any Riker/Ryker connection to the Gardiniers. That was an interesting 1778 bp. record that you quoted. There was no name given for the child. The sponsors were probably Jacob N. Gardinier and Dirkje Van Der Werken who had a daughter Rachel bp. 1755. If this is the correct Rachel to be the 1776 sponsor that you mentioned, she was living in the Fonda area by the age of 3, and the family was still living in that area in 1776. I have a note that Jacob lived in Charleston (south of Fonda) for part of his adult life. This may be where he raised his children. Perhaps Rachel and Cristina Baromore were childhood friends. If so, then this particular child of Cristina would have been her first or second because of her age. If you know that Cristina is an older woman than the Rachel Gardinier that I have mentioned, then the Rachel you mentioned is not the daughter of Jacob and Dirkje. In case she is, however, I have given a descendent list above to help you get some possible clues. The sponsors for Rachel Gardenier's bp. were Jilles Fonda and Jannitje Fonda. They probably have some connection to whomever the city of Fonda was named for. By the way, Jacob was bp. in Albany. His surname was spelled Gardenier in the Albany RDC records. Gardinier and Gardineer were more common spellings in Montgomery Co., but they were not accurate. The GARDENIER spelling is the original. Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Okpmj@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/03/2000 2:04:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, > clifflamere@global2000.net writes: > > > > > The GARDENIER surname is Dutch. It is also spelled GARDINIER, GARDINEER > > and GARDENEAR in Montgomery Co. records, but the original spelling in > > this country was Gardenier. Most of them came to Montgomery Co. from > > what is now Albany and Columbia counties of New York State as far as I > > can tell. I would be interested to learn about any who came from > > elsewhere. > > > > If you have any Gardeniers in Montgomery Co., I would be interested to > > learn what other surnames they connect to. By learning the names of the > > parents and siblings of the spouse of a Gardenier, it will sometimes > > help in establishing who were the parents of the Gardenier. The Dutch > > usually (not always) named the first two boys and first two girls after > > the parents of the husband and wife. > > > > Of course, I would be interested in any information about the Gardenier > > families as well. > > > > I may be able to help you with the Gardeniers if you can help me with > > the family that the spouse of a Gardenier came from. > > > > Cliff Lamere Albany, NY > > > Dear Cliff: > I do not YET have a Gardenier connection although I have long suspected that > there is a connection between that family and my Ryker/Riker line. My > gggGrandfather was Jacob Riker/Ryker. At the LDS Family History Center, I > found the Fonda NY Reformed Church Records 1758-1858 on film #534214 Not only > are two of Jacob's children listed in those records, but I believe Jacob's > own birth record and at least two of his siblings are in those same records. > Although no witnesses or sponsors are listed at Jacob christening, his > parents are listed as Hendrich Ryke and Catrina Barmore/Barmoer in 1774, and > these same parents had a daughter, Rachel, born in 1776 and one of her > sponsors or witnesses was Rachel Gardiner. Then in 1778 the same parents had > another child, not named in the record, whose witnesses or sponsors were > Jacob Gardinier and Derkje Gardinier. Since it is often the custom for > relatives to be the sponsors of children at baptism, I have often thought > there was a connection between the Gardiniers and the Ryker/Rikers, but I > have never been able to prove it. > Can you or anyone else provide any addition information? > Many thanks for any help. > > Phyllis Jensen > e-mail: okpmj@aol.com > > > ==== NYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites: http://www.cyndislist.com/ > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Hello Cliff, Jeanne, Phyllis, Pat, and other interested listers: I have Gardiniers marrying into my Quackenbush line -- as Pat noted, I have seen the name also spelled with an "o" -- in one of the Caughnawaga DRC records it was quite clearly written as "Gordineer" -- I hadn't thought to check indices for that speeling until I saw that record. Anyway, here's who I have -- (1) Rachel Gardinier, born about 1720, d/o Nicholas and Rachel, married Johannes QUACKENBOSCH, b. 1718, s/o Peter and Neeltje Marinus Quackenbosch. (2) Rachel Gardinier, born about 1796, d/o ?? (sister of Jacob, following-?) married David Quackenbush (s/o Isaac and Dirckje (Van Alstyne) on 27 Jan 1816; DRC of Caughnawaga, Montgomery Co. [obviously "Rachel" was a *very* popular name in this family - yours was Rachel too wasn't it, Jeanne?] (3) Jacob Gordineer, born abt 1790, s/o ??, married Rachel Quackenbush, d/o Abraham and Catrina (Huff) on 17 Oct 1813; DRC of Caughnawaga, Montgomery Co. I think I also have some Gardiniers marrying into either my Westfall or Countryman branches -- these three were right fresh in my memory as I am doing some work right now on this branch. Is this the kind of info you are looking for, Cliff? Also, do you want these marriages if they are *other than* Montgomery County?? Marsha Strong Gainesville, FL

Marsha, Do you have either Carpenter or Wisners related to you Quackenbush lines? Phoebe

This is not one of my Lines, however I thought that I would tell you that this name is one that I have come across in Research in Jefferson Co. NY and also noticed the name in the Honeyville Cemetery (located nr Adams NY) . You might want to contact the Jefferson Co.Society on this. Also the spelling is sometimes Gordenier with an o rather than a . Some of my Montgomery Co. people also went North so I thought I'd let you know this. Pat

Phyllis We may have a connection: Jacobus Cromwell, b 1754, Schenectady, m Rachel Gardiner in 1774 at the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Caughnawaga, Fonda, New York Children: Phillip I. Cromwell, b Apr. 13, 1774, Fonda, N.Y., bp May 12, 1774, d Nov. 29, 1857, buried Carlisle, N.Y., m Apr. 28, 1799 Maryte Graft in Caughnawaga Reformed Church, Fonda, N.Y. Stephen, b 1776, Fonda, N.Y., m 1709 Hannah Dayton, Fonda, N.Y. Hermanus, b 1777, Fonda, N.Y. If you need it I have the Cromwell line from 1683 to present. I also have our Gardiner line from George Gardiner from 1637 to present I am still TRYING to connect Rachel Gardiner to the George Gardiner line. The Cromwells and Gardiner also connect in the 1800's when Chester Irving Gardiner (of Berne, N.Y.) married Nancy M. Montanye. - Their daughter, Arvilla Gardiner m Apr. 27, 1885, Frank James Cromwell. Arvilla and Frank are my grandparents. I have found the spelling of Gardiner several ways. Gardinier, Gardineer, etc. They all seem to have migrated to the Mohawk Valley - Albany, Schenectady, Duanesburg, Esperance, Fonda etc. If you obtain any more information re: Rachel, I would appreciate a copy. Also, would be glad to share any information with you. We originally lived in upstate New York, Esperance, Schenectady, etc. Jeanne Cromwell 8121 52nd. Lane Pinellas Park, Fl. 33781

In a message dated 02/03/2000 2:04:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, clifflamere@global2000.net writes: > > The GARDENIER surname is Dutch. It is also spelled GARDINIER, GARDINEER > and GARDENEAR in Montgomery Co. records, but the original spelling in > this country was Gardenier. Most of them came to Montgomery Co. from > what is now Albany and Columbia counties of New York State as far as I > can tell. I would be interested to learn about any who came from > elsewhere. > > If you have any Gardeniers in Montgomery Co., I would be interested to > learn what other surnames they connect to. By learning the names of the > parents and siblings of the spouse of a Gardenier, it will sometimes > help in establishing who were the parents of the Gardenier. The Dutch > usually (not always) named the first two boys and first two girls after > the parents of the husband and wife. > > Of course, I would be interested in any information about the Gardenier > families as well. > > I may be able to help you with the Gardeniers if you can help me with > the family that the spouse of a Gardenier came from. > > Cliff Lamere Albany, NY > Dear Cliff: I do not YET have a Gardenier connection although I have long suspected that there is a connection between that family and my Ryker/Riker line. My gggGrandfather was Jacob Riker/Ryker. At the LDS Family History Center, I found the Fonda NY Reformed Church Records 1758-1858 on film #534214 Not only are two of Jacob's children listed in those records, but I believe Jacob's own birth record and at least two of his siblings are in those same records. Although no witnesses or sponsors are listed at Jacob christening, his parents are listed as Hendrich Ryke and Catrina Barmore/Barmoer in 1774, and these same parents had a daughter, Rachel, born in 1776 and one of her sponsors or witnesses was Rachel Gardiner. Then in 1778 the same parents had another child, not named in the record, whose witnesses or sponsors were Jacob Gardinier and Derkje Gardinier. Since it is often the custom for relatives to be the sponsors of children at baptism, I have often thought there was a connection between the Gardiniers and the Ryker/Rikers, but I have never been able to prove it. Can you or anyone else provide any addition information? Many thanks for any help. Phyllis Jensen e-mail: okpmj@aol.com

See "The Book of Names" by MacWethy, 1933, page 180. Joanne Garland -----Original Message----- From: Howard Cromer <scromer@earthlink.net> To: NYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com <NYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 6:18 AM Subject: [NYMONTGO] Stone Arabia Patent >Hi, > >Does anyone know where/how I could obtain a map of the original Stone >Arabia Patent divisions? Many of my family lines began in Stone Arabia, >and some of our family documentation lists the portions of the patent >that my ancestors owned. I would really like to know which parts of the >patent they owned so that I could put a picture with the text. > >Thanks, > >Steve Cromer >scromer@earthlink.net > >______________________________

Has anyone run across records for this individual in Montgomery County? I believe he lived in Charleston, and his parents were Joseph Burnap & Abigail Bickford. I am specifically looking for anything that ties his son Milton Burnap (born 1806 in Charleston, later relocated to Livingston / Wyoming County) to him. I have already looked in the Burnap Benealogy by Belknap, and that line stops at Cyrus. Any help would be appreciated. Rhonda Brown

Cliff, My Gardiner family is traced back to George Gardiner, b Bef 1630, England, d Abt 1677 Newport, R.I. m (1) About 1646, Horod Long, b Bef 1630, d Aft. Apr. 8, 1692, no location, but probably Newport. m (2) After May 5, 1665, Lydia Ballou in Newport, R.I. The Gardiner family joined with the Montanye when Chester Irving Gardiner, b Apr. 11, 1834, Berne, N.Y. d May 17, 1902, location unknown, m Dec. 31, 1855 at Duanesburg, N.Y. Nancy Montanye, b Aug. 21, 1833, Charlestown, N.Y., d Apr. 28, 1878 in Villisca, Iowa. (The family was moving West, but returned to NY State after death of Nancy.) Daughter of Chester and Nancy, Arvilla Gardiner, b May 19, 1861, Duanesburg, N.Y. d March 1, 1942, Elmira, N.Y. m Apr. 27, 1885, Frank James Cromwell, b Apr. 4, 1864, Duanesburg, d Sept. 30, 1938, Schenectady. Frank James Cromwell was the grandson of Philip I. Cromwell, b July 16, 1774, Fonda, N.Y. and Maryte (Mary) Graft of Fonda. The father of Frank was Adam, b Aug. 1, 1801. in Fonda. The Cromwell family trace to Jacobus Cromwell who m Maria Philipse at the First Dutch Reformed Church, Schenectady. The Montanye trace to Johanes de la Montagne, b About 1595, Saintes, France. More information available if you need it. Jean Cromwell

The GARDENIER surname is Dutch. It is also spelled GARDINIER, GARDINEER and GARDENEAR in Montgomery Co. records, but the original spelling in this country was Gardenier. Most of them came to Montgomery Co. from what is now Albany and Columbia counties of New York State as far as I can tell. I would be interested to learn about any who came from elsewhere. If you have any Gardeniers in Montgomery Co., I would be interested to learn what other surnames they connect to. By learning the names of the parents and siblings of the spouse of a Gardenier, it will sometimes help in establishing who were the parents of the Gardenier. The Dutch usually (not always) named the first two boys and first two girls after the parents of the husband and wife. Of course, I would be interested in any information about the Gardenier families as well. I may be able to help you with the Gardeniers if you can help me with the family that the spouse of a Gardenier came from. Cliff Lamere Albany, NY

We have a map of the STone Arabia Patent available here at the Montgomery County Dept. of History & Archives. The cost for the map is $0.50 plus the cost of postage. We can send the map and bill you for the cost. Let us know the address to where it will be shipped. Kelly A. Yacobucci Assistant County Historian Montgomery Co. Dept. of History & Archives Old Courthouse, P.O. Box 1500 Fonda, NY 12068-1500 (518) 853-8187 histarch@superior.net > Hi, > > Does anyone know where/how I could obtain a map of the original Stone > Arabia Patent divisions? Many of my family lines began in Stone Arabia, > and some of our family documentation lists the portions of the patent > that my ancestors owned. I would really like to know which parts of the > patent they owned so that I could put a picture with the text. > > Thanks, > > Steve Cromer > scromer@earthlink.net

Steve: I'm sure someone can give you a better answer than mine, but... I found a small copy of it in the book, "The 18th Century Snell Family of the Mohawk Valley," by David Kendall Martin. That copy came from "the Cornelius Beekman 1793 map of early lot owners and divisions of the Stone Arabia Patent as printed in the St. Johnsville ENTERPRISE AND NEWS for 4 February 1931." My copy is too small to read all of the names on the smaller lots. Ray

Hi, Does anyone know where/how I could obtain a map of the original Stone Arabia Patent divisions? Many of my family lines began in Stone Arabia, and some of our family documentation lists the portions of the patent that my ancestors owned. I would really like to know which parts of the patent they owned so that I could put a picture with the text. Thanks, Steve Cromer scromer@earthlink.net

If anyone is stopping in at the archives in Fonda and would be willing to do a look-up, I would sincerely appreciate it! They have a work called "Papers of a Fort Plain Physician," including obstetrical record book, 1868-80, Dr. Douglas Ayres papers 1868-1915. I am seeking page numbers of any mention of a female child born to Mrs. Richard Harrison (nee Alvira Van Etta) in Ft. Plain on 23 April, 1873. I believe that this family lived on the Erie Canal towpath in Ft. Plain. Many thanks! Joanne Garland (Massachusetts)

Can anyone tell me the parents of the following two Keller females of the Canajoharie area, who were of two different generations but may have been related to each other: ELIZA KELLER, b. 1823, d. Oct. 1843, age 20. Wife of Lewis Van Etter (Van Etta), and mother of Henry Oscar Van Etta b. 28 Dec. 1841, and Nancy Maria Van Etta b. 1 Mar. 1843. NANCY KELLER, wife of John I. WILES, a "stiller." In the 1850 census Nancy was age 45 (b. c.1805). Their daughter Mary C. WILES m. the widower Lewis Van Etta in Jan. 1846. The other household members in the Wiles household in the 1850 census were: Langrove 19 "stiller," Adam 17, Josiah 15, Margarett 14, Daniel 12, etc. Joanne Garland

Kathy, Thanks for your kind words, however, I only transmit the information -- it's the directories that actually have the information that is wonderful. Glad to know it helped. Kelly > > Kelly, > > Thank you so much for your help. You are wonderful!!! > > Kathy