Roger, I don't have access to the 1832 NY pension roll, but there is a Gideon Simmons in the index of 1835 NY pension roll. I'll have access to the pension roll this afternoon, and will get back to you with what I find tonight or tomorrow. Marty Irons k2mi@frontiernet.net All e-mail scanned by Norton 2005 anti-virus, updated online daily. May all your ancestors YELL at you, telling you how and where to find them. PS: great great grandfather John F IRONS.... b. 1811 "somewhere"....possibly Otsego County NY.... m. 1834 Hartwick, Otsego, NY d. 1854 Cazenovia, Madison, NY.... please stand up on that brick wall and yell out the names I've sought for 11 years....LOUDER! Who were your parents? Were they from RI? Where were you born? Was it Otsego County NY? Did you have a brother named Orlando? Who were your other siblings?