I made an inquiry to Ancestry.com as to when the 1940 census would be available. This is their response: "The US Government releases the Census records 72 years after they are recorded. The 1940 Census is set to be released in 2012. " Pat Rowe Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: <Wldblume2@aol.com> To: <nymadiso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] 2010 census I am very anxious to > see the 1940 census when they become available probably after the first > of > the year or hopefully sometime this year. > I should be on that one!! > > Dorothy > > >

It is indeed a sad state of affairs. I know there is a tremendous expense attached to the census taking but perhaps if they spent less money advertising what is clearly going to take place they might have had more room for another question or two. Of course we live in such a litigious society someone is probably afraid of a lawsuit if a census taker asked a personal questi on I do volunteer Indexing (transcription) for the Family Search site and it has been so interesting to me. I should say tho that prior to the 1850 census there was not much information other than the heads of the households name and the number of people living in his household. I am very anxious to see the 1940 census when they become available probably after the first of the year or hopefully sometime this year. I should be on that one!! Dorothy

I filled in my census report and was very disappointed about the lack of information that was required. How are the future generations going to find out any genealogical information? Mary Kay

Here is an AMEN to that!!!! Whenever I get mine, I'm going to fill mine out that way too. Great idea!! From: Marennad@aol.com [mailto:Marennad@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:39 PM To: cesenberg@sbcglobal.net; Cindy.Dixon@springspreserve.org; dan4740@sbcglobal.net; danceaway777@comcast.net; dspring1@att.net; JABAGI@aol.com; jmfurjel@msn.com; JOEK4061@MSN.COM; KarlaHall@Juno.com; HENNESSEY, MONICA A; nadaley@frontiernet.net; nyatabe@comcast.net; RIKENT@rootsweb.com; rugshop@grm.net; SLL323@aol.com; spinozzi42@msn.com; NYONONDA-L@rootsweb.com; NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com; nygenese@rootsweb.com; NYERIE@rootsweb.com Subject: 2010 census In working with census so much you get a feel for what genealogists want to see. Well after filling in mine tonight all my future lookers are going to be sure of is I am not Latin and how many people live in my house. Nothing about where I was born or if I am a citizen so when it came to race I put in American, Swiss, German, English just so its there. I am proud of that heritage - and I know the authors of this thing are not concerned. They just want those numbers so they can plan their political agenda.

In working with census so much you get a feel for what genealogists want to see. Well after filling in mine tonight all my future lookers are going to be sure of is I am not Latin and how many people live in my house. Nothing about where I was born or if I am a citizen so when it came to race I put in American, Swiss, German, English just so its there. I am proud of that heritage - and I know the authors of this thing are not concerned. They just want those numbers so they can plan their political agenda.

Re the question about what ever happened to the papers in the basement of the Madison County offices, I was in the Madison County Clerk's office for about a week in May 2009 and there was a nice gentleman there working on processing some papers that had been found in the basement.  It sounded like a long slow process, but they seemed determined to get through it all, and he certainly was working hard at it while I was there.  Mary Hunt E-mail:   muvsgenealogy@comcast.net

Rich, Sure , something came of it. Back Street Mary and volunteers sorted through all those boxes, stored, and labeled the contents by catagory. A great piece of work! There have been several articles in the on-line newspaper, Madison County Courier, about the findings of an individual researcher. Also, suggest you contact the County Historian for more info. email= historian@co.madison.ny.us Chas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Holmes" <richholmes@richholmes.net> To: <nymadiso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:39 PM Subject: [NYMADISO] Papers in the basement? >A few years back there was something announced about some old papers found > in the basement of the Madison County courthouse. Did anything ever come > of > that? > > - Rich Holmes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYMADISO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A few years back there was something announced about some old papers found in the basement of the Madison County courthouse. Did anything ever come of that? - Rich Holmes

I, too, would like to know if there has been anything done with those documents.  --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Rich Holmes <richholmes@richholmes.net> wrote: From: Rich Holmes <richholmes@richholmes.net> Subject: [NYMADISO] Papers in the basement? To: nymadiso@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 8:39 PM A few years back there was something announced about some old papers found in the basement of the Madison County courthouse. Did anything ever come of that? - Rich Holmes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYMADISO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stop me if you've heard this one... I can trace my Holmes line back to Hiram HOLMES, who was born in Connecticut in 1804 and died in Poolville, Town of Hamilton, Madison County, New York in 1864. Unfortunately I've found next to nothing definite about Hiram's parents and siblings. Over the years, though, I've accumulated a lot of circumstantial evidence suggesting that parents father were Nathan HOLMES and Grace CHAPEL from Montville, Connecticut; that Nathan and Grace's other children included Jabez (b. 1795), Peter (ca. 1798), Eunice (ca. 1806), Henry (1809), Nathan (ca. 1811), and Hannah (ca. 1815), as well as perhaps three more girls; and that Nathan's father was Samuel HOLMES, born 1722 in Plymouth, Massachusetts. If that line is correct then it extends back to John HOLMES of Plymouth, birth place and date unknown but he was in Plymouth by the early 1630s. I consider the line probably correct but not proved. Supporting this are yDNA tests that indicate a fairly close relationship between descendants of Hiram and Peter and three other males who trace their line back to John of Plymouth, but through a different son. On the other hand the yDNA for the Hiram descendant is closer to that of those three males than to that of the Peter descendant, which is a little worrying. There appear to have been at least a couple of other Holmes families in Hamilton in the mid 19th century but no real evidence of a connection between them and Hiram and some evidence against it. Jabez lived most of his life near Poolville, but about 1865 moved to Chautauqua County, New York. He had two wives: Irene DIBBLE and Harriet SMITH. Peter moved to Wyoming County, New York, and later to Cattaraugus County, New York. His wife was Rachel STOWELL. Eunice married Joseph Francis EGGLESTON and move to Cortland, New York. Henry moved first to Verona, Oneida County, New York, and later to Saratoga County, New York; his wife was Louisa J. HODGES. The younger stayed in the Poolville area and married a woman named Ann. Hannah is somewhat speculative but may have been the wife of Edwin F. SMITH of Poolville. I'd be delighted to get any new information on any of these families and their descendants. It'd be especially great to find a male line descendant of Jabez or Henry (I'm pretty sure the younger Nathan has no living descendants) who'd be willing to do a yDNA test. - Rich Holmes

From: Rich Holmes <richholmes@richholmes.net> Date: Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:25 AM Subject: Surnames HOLMES, COLLINS, COOK, DUNN, BELDEN, YORK, HOAG, BROWN To: NYMadison list <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> It's been quite some time since I last posted about my Madison county ancestors. These include: Clarence Edwin HOLMES, born South Hamilton, 1875. His parents were Jerome N. HOLMES, born Town of Hamilton, 1834, and Ruth Oliva COLLINS, born South Hamilton, 1833. Jerome's parents were Hiram HOLMES, born Connecticut, 1804, and Rhoda COOK, born Norwich, Chenango County, 1805. I will say more about the Holmes line in another post. The Cook line is fairly well known although I could use some more documentation and facts about Rhoda's parents. Oliva's parents were Solomon COLLINS, born Hopkinton, Rhode Island, 1796, and Anna DUNN, born Rhode Island, 1792. The Collins family has beeen well researched by others, but I have very little on the DUNN line. Clarence's wife was Mary Alice BELDEN, born West Brookfield, 1877. Her parents were Warren BELDEN and Florinda Esther YORK. Warren was born in Cortland, 1848, and his parents were Daniel Jerome BELDEN, born South New Berlin, Chenango, 1816, and Mary Gay HOAG, born Butternuts, Otsego, 1822. My information says Warren was adopted, however, and I have no information on his birth parents. I have some information on the Belden line back to the 1600s but it's rather sketchy and not well documented. The HOAG line is pretty well known. Florinda's parents were Lelen Collins YORK and Mary L. BROWN, both born in Brookfield (1815 and 1823 respectively) and their lines have been pretty well researched. If any of these surnames are of interest to you and you'd line to exchange information please get in touch. - Rich Holmes

This is so exciting. Have a safe journey to there and back. Patty On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Timothy Stowell <timsetn@gmail.com> wrote: > we go to get our son! > > > > In less than 24 hours we depart on our trip to Taiwan. > > > > He is now 8 years old, having had his birthday on January 4th.  His given > name at birth is Yu-Hsuan (U-Swan).  We'll be adding Samuel to this name. > > > > I'll go to work Thursday morning and our daughter will be at school to give > my wife time to do last minute packing.  Our daughter, 10, will be going > with us.  She is excited to get a brother and keeps telling folks we are > going to China.  No dear, not China, Taiwan. > > > > We leave Atlanta later Thursday afternoon.  We arrive in Taiwan Saturday > evening, Chattanooga time, after a multi hour layover in Seattle. > > > > In Taipei, we'll take the bullet train south to Tainan where the orphanage > is.  Our son lives in a foster home some distance from the orphanage in the > foothills of the central mountain range.  After Gotcha Day, we'll take the > bullet train north to Taipei to do the American side of the process which > extends over two days and a weekend. > > > > You can follow our journey via the blog set up for this adoption - > http://taiwanpromise.blogspot.com/ > > > > Tim Stowell > > web host > > NYGenWeb - Chenango, Cortland, Madison, Sullivan counties > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYMADISO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

May all go well for you and yours. Pat J.

Happy for you, Tim. Safe trip..... Pat Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Stowell" <timsetn@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: [NYMADISO] Get ready, get set, and .. > we go to get our son! > > > > In less than 24 hours we depart on our trip to Taiwan. > > > > He is now 8 years old, having had his birthday on January 4th. His given > name at birth is Yu-Hsuan (U-Swan). We'll be adding Samuel to this name. > > > > I'll go to work Thursday morning and our daughter will be at school to > give > my wife time to do last minute packing. Our daughter, 10, will be going > with us. She is excited to get a brother and keeps telling folks we are > going to China. No dear, not China, Taiwan. > > > > We leave Atlanta later Thursday afternoon. We arrive in Taiwan Saturday > evening, Chattanooga time, after a multi hour layover in Seattle. > > > > In Taipei, we'll take the bullet train south to Tainan where the orphanage > is. Our son lives in a foster home some distance from the orphanage in > the > foothills of the central mountain range. After Gotcha Day, we'll take the > bullet train north to Taipei to do the American side of the process which > extends over two days and a weekend. > > > > You can follow our journey via the blog set up for this adoption - > http://taiwanpromise.blogspot.com/ > > > > Tim Stowell > > web host > > NYGenWeb - Chenango, Cortland, Madison, Sullivan counties > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYMADISO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

we go to get our son! In less than 24 hours we depart on our trip to Taiwan. He is now 8 years old, having had his birthday on January 4th. His given name at birth is Yu-Hsuan (U-Swan). We'll be adding Samuel to this name. I'll go to work Thursday morning and our daughter will be at school to give my wife time to do last minute packing. Our daughter, 10, will be going with us. She is excited to get a brother and keeps telling folks we are going to China. No dear, not China, Taiwan. We leave Atlanta later Thursday afternoon. We arrive in Taiwan Saturday evening, Chattanooga time, after a multi hour layover in Seattle. In Taipei, we'll take the bullet train south to Tainan where the orphanage is. Our son lives in a foster home some distance from the orphanage in the foothills of the central mountain range. After Gotcha Day, we'll take the bullet train north to Taipei to do the American side of the process which extends over two days and a weekend. You can follow our journey via the blog set up for this adoption - http://taiwanpromise.blogspot.com/ Tim Stowell web host NYGenWeb - Chenango, Cortland, Madison, Sullivan counties

Looking for information about Paine Wait or any Wait descendants who can identify Paine's spouse and/or their ten children.  He and others of the the family lived in Brookfield in the early part of the 1800s. Paine was 82 years of age in 1840 and is said to have lived to 105. Per Madison County history, Paine died at the home of a Mrs. Clark -- might she have been the wife or mother of Wait Clark, also an early resident of Madison County?  I'm interested in any information anyone might have about the Jenkens Wait family. 

I am so frustrated trying to figure out how to send a check for a will. All those screens are so confusing. Is this on purpose? As anyone used this service? Help

Fair question the address is on every order form to send check to. There are 4 different rates. Paypal/Credit Card rate Slow mail rate Papercopy or image copy You mentioned will but didnt' say paper copy or (image copy which is sent by email) that would be: Papercopy rate is 12.00 paypal or 13.00 by check Imagecopy rate is $8.00 paypal or 9.00 by check Will records are not to be confused with Estate records which are of different nature. David SAMPUBCO marennad@aol.com wrote: > > > I am so frustrated trying to figure out how to send a check for a will. All those screens are so confusing. Is this on purpose? As anyone used this service? Help

Yes, the photo is of Hannah Maine. Here is what I have on the Keen(e) family in Madison County. Frank is person no. 11. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Daniel KEEN born 15 Mar 1795, England, married Sarah COLLIER, born 15 Jun 1799, England, died 15 Aug 1854, buried: Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. Daniel died 15 Jun 1859, buried: Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. Children: 2. i Reuben born Jul 1825. 3. ii Alfred born 1828. 4. iii William Mortimer born 3 Aug 1830. 5. iv Joseph born 1833. v Rebecca KEEN born 1837, NY. Second Generation 2. Reuben KEEN born Jul 1825, England, married Orpha C. FOWLER, born 1820, NY, (daughter of David FOWLER Sr. and Polly) died bef 1909. Reuben died 30 Jun 1909, Quality Hill, Lenox, Madison Co. NY, buried: 4 Jul 1909, Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. Children: 6. i Electa born 1850. ii David F. KEEN born cir 1853, NY, died 9 Oct 1876, buried: Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. 7. iii Charles S. born Nov 1862. 3. Alfred KEEN born 1828, England, occupation blacksmith, married Maria, born cir 1830, Ireland, died aft 1880. Alfred died 1884, buried: 27 Apr 1884, Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. Children: 8. i Jay born cir 1853. ii Elmer E. KEENE born cir 1863, NY, occupation machinist, axle works, married unknown. Elmer died aft 1930. iii Da/on KEENE born cir 1866, NY, died aft 1880. 4. William Mortimer KEENE born 3 Aug 1830, England, occupation farm laborer, cem. supt., married 9 Nov 1853, in NY, Catherine L. RATNOUR, born 13 Jun 1832, Lenox, Madison Co. NY, (daughter of Abraham RATNOUR and Barbara PEASE) occupation housekeeping, died 14 Oct 1897, buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. William died 26 Dec 1906, buried: 29 Dec 1906, Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. Children: 9. i William A. born 4 Aug 1855. 10. ii Ella M. born 8 Apr 1859. 11. iii Frank A. born 1 Jan 1863. 12. iv Kirk W. born Jul 1865. 13. v Minnie born 1868. 5. Joseph KEEN born 1833, NY, married W.. Children: i Sarah Ann KEEN born 6 Apr 1857, died 9 Jan 1859, buried: Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. Third Generation 6. Electa KEEN born 1850, NY, married Nathan E. BAKER, born 1849, Fonda, Montgomery Co. NY, (son of Nathan M. BAKER and Elvira O. PRIOR) died 1917, buried: Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. Electa died 1886, buried: Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. Children: i Rose A. BAKER. ii Nellie J. BAKER born cir 1880, married ____ POST. iii Mary C. BAKER. 7. Charles S. KEENE born Nov 1862, NY, occupation farmer, married cir 1884, Susan Louise WILDER, born Jul 1867, NY, (daughter of William WILDER and Florilla) died 1937, buried: 2 Jan 1938, Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. Charles died 1943, buried: Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. Children: i Flora KEEN born Sep 1887, NY, married Daniel ZAPF, born cir 1884, NY, died aft 1930. Flora died aft 1930. ii Hattie O. KEEN born Nov 1888, NY, married aft 1910, Henry HOMAN. Hattie died aft 1910. iii Earl D. KEEN born 1895, NY, died 1908, buried: Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. iv Doris S. KEENE born 29 May 1904, NY, died 9 Jul 2000, buried: Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. 8. Jay KEEN born cir 1853, NY, married cir 1893, Margaret E., born cir 1857, CT/NY, died aft 1930. Jay died aft 1930. Children: i Alfred KEEN born 9 Jun 1894, NY, married cir 1917, Margeret J., born 20 Mar 1896, NY, died 17 Dec 1992. Alfred died Feb 1981. 9. William A. KEENE born 4 Aug 1855, Madison Co. NY, married unknown, died aft 1902. William died 30 Apr 1902, Toledo, OH, buried: 5 May 1902, Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. Children: i Bertha KEENE married Frank WENZLISCH. Bertha died aft 1902. ii Pansy KEENE died aft 1902. 10. Ella M. KEENE born 8 Apr 1859, Lenox, Madison Co. NY, married 19 Jun 1879, in Lenox, Madison Co. NY, Olin Clark JAQUAY, born 29 Sep 1851, Canastota, Madison Co. NY, (son of Henry Almore JAQUAY and Mary Abigal ROBERTS) occupation carpenter, died 7 Feb 1931, Ithaca, Tompkins Co. NY, buried: 14 May 1931, Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. Ella died 20 Sep 1936, Ithaca, Tompkins Co. NY, buried: 23 Sep 1936, Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. Children: i Carleton Keene JAQUAY born 19 Oct 1881, NY, died 4 May 1882, NY, buried: 5 Jul 1882, Lenox Rural Cem., Madison Co. NY. ii Minnie Edna JAQUAY born 23 Apr 1888, Canastota, Madison Co. NY, married 20 Aug 1913, in Ithaca, Tompkins Co. NY, Ira Chester GROVER, born 12 Aug 1879, West Dryden, Tompkins, NY, (son of Ira Simeon GROVER and Mae E. WEAVEN) occupation gunsmith, Ithaca Gun, died 9 Jul 1955, Ithaca, Tompkins Co. NY, buried: 12 Jul 1955, Willow Glen Cem., Dryden, Tompkins Co.NY. Minnie died 20 Aug 1970, Ithaca, Tompkins Co. NY, buried: 24 Aug 1970, Willow Glen Cem., Dryden, Tompkins Co.NY. 11. Frank A. KEENE born 1 Jan 1863, Canastota, Madison Co. NY, occupation janitor, public school, married 7 Feb 1894, Helen F. MAINE, born 1 Jun 1873, Oneida, Madison Co. NY, (daughter of John W. MAINE and Hannah MORRIS) died 25 Apr 1942, Oneida, Madison Co. NY, buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. Frank died 10 Oct 1923, Oneida, Madison Co. NY, buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. Children: i Ruth KEENE born 1895, NY, occupation teacher, married 24 Dec 1923, Burt O. LEE, born 1890, died 1972, buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. Ruth died 1971, buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. ii C. Esther KEENE born cir 1902, NY, occupation typist, married ____ WILLIAMS. C. Esther died aft 1920. iii Harold KEENE born 1908, died 1973. iv Bobby Lee KEENE buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. 12. Kirk W. KEENE born Jul 1865, NY, occupation cemetery superintendent, married (1) cir 1894, Frances M. JOSLYN, born 1867, IL, (daughter of William JOSLYN and Mary G.) died 1913, buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY, married (2) Georgia S., born cir 1881, NY, died 1955, buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. Kirk died 1943, buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. Children by Frances M. JOSLYN: i Elmo Mortimer KEENE born Aug 1896. ii child died bef 1910. Children by Georgia S.: iii Kirk W. KEENE born 1919, Oneida, Madison Co. NY, occupation Oneida Ltd. foreman, married 1951, Eleanor WOLVERTON, born 11 Feb 1923. Kirk died 12 Feb 1996, Sherrill, Oneida Co. NY, buried: Oneida Castle Cem. iv Robert KEENE born 1921, died 1939, buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. 13. Minnie KEENE born 1868, married Charles S. CAMPBELL, born 1868, (son of J. W. CAMPBELL and Alice M.) died 1951, buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. Minnie died 1951, buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. Children: i Alice CAMPBELL born 1895, died 1904, buried: Glenwood Cem., Oneida, Madison Co. NY. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 01:58:33 -0600 >From: "Pamela Berger" <westwind@milwpc.com> >Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Obituary of Hannah Morris Maine, Clockville, > 1915 > >Virginia--I wouldbe interested in the Keene info. Thank you. Is the photo >of Hannah Maine? --Pam, westwind(at symbol)milwpc(dot)com

There is a George and Priscilla Simmons buried in Madison Village Cemetery. Ruth, Wife of George Simmons, died 1806 age 34 There is a Priscilla , wife of George Simmons, died 2-23-1847---(Maybe a 2nd wife???) Also, Stephen, son of George and Priscilla Simmons d.1839--and Horace, son of George Simmons d. 1830 Do you think these are the ones you are looking for? Chas