In a message dated 12/13/2004 9:28:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: Simple maxim - if Momma's happy, I'm happy. If Momma's not happy, no one is. Tim In the words of some old radio show performer "Mama ain't happy, AIN"T NOOOOOOBODY HAPPY!" Isn't that the truth! Laurence

Hi Listers, I just received 2 death certificates from NY. Margaret Leonard O'Melia and her husband Michael O'Melia were buried in Hamilton. Margaret in 1894 and Michael in 1901. I am quite sure that these people were Catholic. They were living in West Eaton when they died. Can anyone advise me as to how I can find their graves? Are there any newspapers that would have an account of their deaths? TIA, Mary Kay

Thanks to Daniel H Weiskotten for the link to census questions: http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa There are a lot of good links at that site. Going there, I worked my way down to the page that has links for each census year from 1850 to 2000: If you just want to see the census questions without seeing the many links that you can reach by starting at the home page, you can go directly to: http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/voliii/tQuestions.html Thanks, Dan! Very interesting. I plan to print out the questions for each census year and post them at the Orange County (NY) Genealogical Society along with the blank forms we have for each census year. Marty Irons k2mi@frontiernet.net All e-mail scanned by Norton anti-virus, updated online daily. May all your ancestors YELL at you, telling you how and where to find them. PS: John F Irons (1811 - 1854 Cazenovia NY)...... please stand up on that brick wall and yell out the names I've sought for 11 years......louder! Who were your parents? Where were you born? Who were your siblings?

one must keep the song of happines going within one's walls - LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] apology > At 03:01 AM 12/13/04 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 12/12/04 10:02:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > > ><< My riches are not measured in dollars but in other terms some of which > were > > expressed >> > > > >Tim, If you hadn't chopped down all those beautiful trees around your house > >and stuck up that ugly addition you might be rich! > > Perhaps. Had I not, I might be single today. I'd rather not be, I've > become comfortable being married. :) > > Simple maxim - if Momma's happy, I'm happy. If Momma's not happy, no one is. > > Tim > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search the list archives: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for > the name of the list > >

At 03:01 AM 12/13/04 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/12/04 10:02:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, >tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > ><< My riches are not measured in dollars but in other terms some of which were > expressed >> > >Tim, If you hadn't chopped down all those beautiful trees around your house >and stuck up that ugly addition you might be rich! Perhaps. Had I not, I might be single today. I'd rather not be, I've become comfortable being married. :) Simple maxim - if Momma's happy, I'm happy. If Momma's not happy, no one is. Tim

>Hi all - There is a website with Enumerator Instructions for the various >federal census. For 1860, the enumerator was "supposed" to enter the >"specific age of each person at his or her last birth day previous to the >1st day of June." >Of course, that doesn't mean that they followed these instructions. >See http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa or >Sometimes the neighbors answered the questions if the family was not >available. Having worked with census records for years it began to dawn on me that perhaps some people just didn't know exactly how old they were. In fact, some time ago I did a study of the ages of people in several of the Cazenovia censuses and found that there were extraordinary lumps of people who were aged in five year groupings - 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55. I figured they said to the enumerator "Uh, gosh, I think I'm about 45" and that is what was written. If they were to be asked the same question 2 years later they would most likely respond with the same "Uh, gosh, I think I'm about 45" Then there are the people who just don't pay attention to how old their kids, parents or siblings are. They goof up plenty of records. I'm sure some people pulled out the family bible and looked it up, but why go the trouble for some gov'ment busy body? Then there are people like me who have to think, calculate, or hesitate before I respond because I am busy remembering other things more important than my age (besides it changes all the time!). My wife keeps track of my age for me! Dan W.

Mine pins a note to my shirt with my name on it. > than my age (besides it changes all the time!). My > wife keeps track of my > age for me! > > Dan W. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

> Hi all and Merry Christmas, > > Just read Darci's latest post and it reminded me of something that I > found in the book Pioneer's of Madison Co. > > Where it talked about Zadock Beebe my ggggggrandfather, if you happen to > look at that section where he is mentioned you might find that the > information printed about him doesn't seem quite right at least by my > calculations. > > So I was wondering if the information that I found about Zadock Beebe is > in error could other information about any of your ancestors be in error > as well? It is just a thought but one I felt worth mentioning. <snip> --- Greetings to you also, Joan. I'm glad you brought up that very good point. Your information in the book about Zadock Beebe may contain an error or two, and I am thinking almost all of these sketches/bios will have errors of some sort, or an exaggeration of some kind. They do tend to embellish a lot. You were correct saying: "We can't just take one person's word for truth we need to check and double check and triple check if necessary. Then hopefully we find the info to back up what we find." I'm hoping people who find these sketches for their ancestors interesting, also do a follow up. A point to begin: a person's main story always seems to be correct by listing the town and village they lived in. This gives us a jump to zero in on those local record sources and begin another search there, in the heart of where they were once living. In our family tree, those towns were always correct. Ages were another matter, of course. I read somewhere that the women's age is always reflected in the best light and the man's will have added years to give him a dignity. Our own ancestors followed this pattern and it took some searching and research to unwind it. And still never got it finished! Darci http://darcisplace.com/darci/ --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004

Hi all and Merry Christmas, Just read Darci's latest post and it reminded me of something that I found in the book Pioneer's of Madison Co. Where it talked about Zadock Beebe my ggggggrandfather, if you happen to look at that section where he is mentioned you might find that the information printed about him doesn't seem quite right at least by my calculations. So I was wondering if the information that I found about Zadock Beebe is in error could other information about any of your ancestors be in error as well? It is just a thought but one I felt worth mentioning. We can't just take one person's word for truth we need to check and double check and triple check if necessary. Then hopefully we find the info to back up what we find. And by the way any one doing a search on the family of Will and May A. Beebe Payne formerly of Earlville, then of Candor, NY please get in contact with me. I have more information I would love to share with you. Or if your doing a search for Anna Personeous second wife of Will Beebe, or if your related to the children of Chloe Clarke Hills and her husband James Hills of Brookfield. Their children are Lucy Hills who married George White ( no children) Frances Hills who married Henry ( Hank) Spooner ( child is Frank) Sarah Hills who married George Wentworth or Woodworth, I think they had two children a daughter who died about age 7 and a son, not sure about him. Phoebe Eudocia Hills married Henry Tuttle, he was murdered, later married George K. Knapp a widower with to children, Fanny and George . George died about age 41 with diphtheria. Fanny married Ellen Amelia Hills ( she went by Amelia when she was a child and at home later after her marriage to my great grandfather Hiram J. Beebe son of Judson L. and Susan Blanding Beebe). Ellen and Hiram had three children William, Lela, and James. Will and Lela both married and had children and James remained a bachelor. Wishing you all happy holiday's Joan Beebe Meddaugh Finally back home in wonderful NY.

Added a few pioneer sketches, at long last, with ties from Madison Co., NY: Thomas LACKEY: On March 19, 1863, he was united in marriage with Flora Jane RAWSON, who was born in Stockbridge, Madison County, New York, June 20, 1845, and was the daughter of Dr. Lorenzo and Mariett (KING) RAWSON. http://darcisplace.com/darci/lackey-thomas.htm == R.J. WASHBURN: Born June 6, 1839 in Madison Co., NY, a son of Isaac and Phoebe (SHAW) WASHBURN. http://darcisplace.com/darci/washburn-rj.htm == Vale HENRY: Parents, Elam and Lucy (PERRY) HENRY http://darcisplace.com/darci/henry-vale.htm == Feel free to try out the search engines which were reindexed Monday, to find related surnames. There is also a google search engine that searches the Schenectady Library (Hudson-Mohawk Valley biographies, in text format) and many of these names tie in with the Madison County families. http://darcisplace.com/darci/search-schenectady.htm What's ahead: Photos/Bios from two book sources, Pioneers of Outagamie Co. (WI) and Fox River Valley (WI) which are in the works. I have the Pioneer book now and the online index is done, so if anyone needs a lookup, drop a line. The index for that book: http://darcisplace.com/darci/outagamie.htm Darci --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004

St Agatha's cemetery is on Oxbow road, village of Canastota, Town of Lenox, Madison County, New York. dick

In a message dated 12/12/04 10:02:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: << My riches are not measured in dollars but in other terms some of which were expressed >> Tim, If you hadn't chopped down all those beautiful trees around your house and stuck up that ugly addition you might be rich!

In a message dated 12/12/04 4:13:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, dburdick@stny.rr.com writes: << of each person at his or her last birth day previous to the 1st day of June." Of course, that doesn't mean that they followed these instructions. >> Sometimes the neighbors answered the questions if the family was not available.

I've a note from a visitor who states that St. Agatha's cemetery is not in Oneida but is rather in Lenox. Can someone confirm which is correct? Thanks, Tim

Chenango County - Fairview Cemetery - Town of New Berlin - New Berlin Riverside Cemetery - Town of New Berlin - South New Berlin http://www.rootsweb.com/~nychenan/cemetery.htm ======================= Cortland County - 1850 Census - Alpha listing (A and B only at present) A listing quite unlike any I've seen elsewhere http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycortla/census.htm ======================== Madison County - History of New Woodstock - updated, first 60 pages now online. This section starts with notes regarding those who served their country from the Revolution through the Civil War, followed by a couple of notes regarding fraternal organizations and then the beginning of the the family histories. These consist mostly of where folks came from, some show several generations and current location of folks when the book was written in 1901. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/madison1/nwdstock.htm Family names online thus far: Ainsworth Corbin Freeborn Frizelle Tucker Webber Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net Chattanooga, TN

At 12:31 PM 12/6/04 -0500, you wrote: >Tim wrote: >>As apologies do the soul good, I'm offering one to Dan W. for it seems to >>me in retrospect that my note of 11/30 smack of one-upmanship - and that >>won't do. My apologies Dan - thank you for the good work you do in >>furthering Madison >>County research. Tim > >I was the one who teased with the brag about being a few pages ahead of >you, and no one need apologize for getting things accomplished!. Any extra >or unused cash that you may have laying around can be sent my way, though! > > Dan W. Well if I was independently wealthy..... My riches are not measured in dollars but in other terms some of which were expressed in the just past season but continuing in this season as well. I believe I can sincerely say that the spirit of Scrooge is not present on this list but rather the spirit of Christmas is present throughout the year. Tim

Hi all - There is a website with Enumerator Instructions for the various federal census. For 1860, the enumerator was "supposed" to enter the "specific age of each person at his or her last birth day previous to the 1st day of June." Of course, that doesn't mean that they followed these instructions. See http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa I think that's the right one. Donna

> I think that it means the couple was married during the 12-month period > ending on June 1, 1880. I think the ages in the census were supposed to > be > stated that way and it probably is the same for a marriage - not sure of > this however. > Just thought of something else: If a person is listed on the Mortality > Schedule for a particular year, it also means they died in the year ending > June 1. > Donna Burdick When the census taker came along, regarding one's age, it was supposed to be - how old the person was the day the census was taken. That folks fudged on their age, can be seen when one compares the same person's age over 2 or more census records. As for the marriage item Karl asked about and Donna answered - I believe she is correct, that they were married in the 12 months preceeding the taking of the census. The same is true for the Mortality schedules which list folks who died in the previous 12 months - some of which may contain the cause of death for the individual. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karl MacEachron" <karlme@earthlink.net> > To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 9:52 AM > Subject: [NYMADISO] Census Question > > >> In the 1860 census, there is a column, to the right, that is titled >> "Married In The Year"; does that mean the census year or the prior >> 12 months? >> >> Karl MacEachron >> Fresno CA ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net

To Karl and others: I typed in 1880 when your question was about 1860 - but it's the same for all those federal census years. Donna B.

I think that it means the couple was married during the 12-month period ending on June 1, 1880. I think the ages in the census were supposed to be stated that way and it probably is the same for a marriage - not sure of this however. Just thought of something else: If a person is listed on the Mortality Schedule for a particular year, it also means they died in the year ending June 1. Donna Burdick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl MacEachron" <karlme@earthlink.net> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 9:52 AM Subject: [NYMADISO] Census Question > In the 1860 census, there is a column, to the right, that is titled > "Married In The Year"; does that mean the census year or the prior > 12 months? > > Karl MacEachron > Fresno CA > > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe from this list - send email to - > nymadiso-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word - unsubscribe in the body of the email. If you are subscribed in Digest mode use the same address but change the -L- to -D-. >