If the truth must be told... SHE is the one who hit the >SEND< button Travel safe, Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

...yup, like I said, you guys crack me up. Happy Yule! Merry New Year! And let me tell you this, I work for an airline and book reservations, and I can tell you people are not accurate about information for stuff happening right now, today, to themselves, even in this day and age. So, I figure it's amazing so much family history stuff is even close to being accurate. Loo, Albuquerque ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Stowell Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:11 AM To: NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Tuttle's Pioneers (jumbled reply) At 02:24 AM 12/18/04 -0800, John wrote: >Amen Dan and Donna > >Being somewhat the toddler in the family, I have >quickly found the value of "as good as one's sources". > When I first started out, I was under the impression >that, because I said it, it was so... (no one notified >me that I would go through the aging process like >everybody else either, if you get my drift...) To be >honest, there have been times, on this path, when I >have honestly considered finding some of these so >called authors of history work and ummm... killing >them, only to realize that they were already dead, >which also frustrated me. The best I can hope for, >regarding some of these "experts", is that I will be >sent to the same place as where they are, Perhaps if they are in the nether regions - publishing fiction as fact is the least of their problems. However your blurb reminds me that in the Victorian age (1880-90's) there was a big genealogy craze going on, (ROOTS of our time was not the first kindling of the genealogy craze), in which fanciful genealogies were published as fact. If I remember correctly and perhaps Dan or someone else can verify, there were at least one and perhaps more, somewhat famous or infamous authors of that time. For instance - I could say I was named after Daniel Boone (I am descended from his brother Israel) and while my name is not Daniel I would be telling the truth. Daniel Boone was named in 1734 and I was named in the 1950s. >in the >afterlife, so I can settle some unresolved issues I >have, and if I luck out and make it to Heaven, I'll >probably have to sit there with my grudge (for >eternity, if what "they" say is true), because the >alternative sounds pretty iffy... Not sure what "they" say or what alternative and/or iffy you are speaking of but I daresay it doesn't depend on luck. I believe it boils down to an understanding. >Merry Christmas, Everyone >May Love, Peace, and Hope fill your lives and those >you love... >John May I also echo John's sentiments as I shiver here in Chattanooga - those 20mph winds and the teens make it brrrrr. >PS - my wife said I could send this, even though it >says the word "killing"... Wow you have to get permission to send your messages? :) Tim ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe from this list - send email to - nymadiso-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word - unsubscribe in the body of the email. If you are subscribed in Digest mode use the same address but change the -L- to -D-.

..you guys crack me up, I always enjoy reading your stuff. Loo- Albuquerque ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Stowell Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:08 AM To: NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Tuttle's Pioneers At 10:29 PM 12/17/04 -0500, you wrote: Despite my included praise of the work >people only took my warning as cranky criticism, and not a lesson from the >experienced. > > Dan W. You a cranky critic? I can't believe it. From tales I've heard regarding you, ok, well it was in Cazenovia - you were a godsend. Folks don't like to be told they are wrong or that they've been led down the primrose path, and thus one, even when trying to be helpful, may get some negative feedback. And with that said - I'll make a quick announcement later this morning, then off the wilds of the great plains I head for the holiday. Tim ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== To post to this list - send email from the address you subsribed to the list with to this address - NYMadiso-L@rootsweb.com

At 02:24 AM 12/18/04 -0800, John wrote: >Amen Dan and Donna > >Being somewhat the toddler in the family, I have >quickly found the value of "as good as one's sources". > When I first started out, I was under the impression >that, because I said it, it was so... (no one notified >me that I would go through the aging process like >everybody else either, if you get my drift...) To be >honest, there have been times, on this path, when I >have honestly considered finding some of these so >called authors of history work and ummm... killing >them, only to realize that they were already dead, >which also frustrated me. The best I can hope for, >regarding some of these "experts", is that I will be >sent to the same place as where they are, Perhaps if they are in the nether regions - publishing fiction as fact is the least of their problems. However your blurb reminds me that in the Victorian age (1880-90's) there was a big genealogy craze going on, (ROOTS of our time was not the first kindling of the genealogy craze), in which fanciful genealogies were published as fact. If I remember correctly and perhaps Dan or someone else can verify, there were at least one and perhaps more, somewhat famous or infamous authors of that time. For instance - I could say I was named after Daniel Boone (I am descended from his brother Israel) and while my name is not Daniel I would be telling the truth. Daniel Boone was named in 1734 and I was named in the 1950s. >in the >afterlife, so I can settle some unresolved issues I >have, and if I luck out and make it to Heaven, I'll >probably have to sit there with my grudge (for >eternity, if what "they" say is true), because the >alternative sounds pretty iffy... Not sure what "they" say or what alternative and/or iffy you are speaking of but I daresay it doesn't depend on luck. I believe it boils down to an understanding. >Merry Christmas, Everyone >May Love, Peace, and Hope fill your lives and those >you love... >John May I also echo John's sentiments as I shiver here in Chattanooga - those 20mph winds and the teens make it brrrrr. >PS - my wife said I could send this, even though it >says the word "killing"... Wow you have to get permission to send your messages? :) Tim

At 10:29 PM 12/17/04 -0500, you wrote: Despite my included praise of the work >people only took my warning as cranky criticism, and not a lesson from the >experienced. > > Dan W. You a cranky critic? I can't believe it. From tales I've heard regarding you, ok, well it was in Cazenovia - you were a godsend. Folks don't like to be told they are wrong or that they've been led down the primrose path, and thus one, even when trying to be helpful, may get some negative feedback. And with that said - I'll make a quick announcement later this morning, then off the wilds of the great plains I head for the holiday. Tim

Hi Don't take this as fact, but I think there may have been a Rev. Thomas Burr Rockwell who was acquainted with central New York, possibly in the 1830-40s. He was a missionary and married (of all names) a Polly Smith. His father, Thomas H. Rockwell, married abigail Hawley, and I do believe they may have lived in the Utica area. They are from the Thomas and Sarah (Rusco) Rockwell line too, but from their son, Thomas (not John). I don't know that line, but am quite sure Thomas Burr Rockwell migrated to Illinois. Unfortunately, this is a sketchy time period for Rockwell research and sorting out just the line I descend is trying. To complicate things, I am related to an altogether different line of Rockwells, through my 5g grandmother, Hannah (Rockwell) Smith, of Saratoga. (Incidentally <grinning> I refuse to do any "Smithing" of any kind for anyone - I am reaching new heights of senility.) Loo - I remember you writing about your Rockwells awhile back - a Wisconsin tie, I think. If you could reiterate, either here or offline, I could look up some things for you, regarding what you tell me. Just let me know what you want to know, specifically, and I will try to get you some answers. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

...I'm beginning to think that there were two Thomas Rockwell's in this are at the same time......Loo Albuquerque ----- Original Message ----- From: indi opie Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 4:07 PM To: NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Thomas Rockwell < Hiram? Rockwell > 1855 Stockbridge Hi Jo Dee I don't have much on Hiram (and I don't have the '55 census), but the Hiram Rockwell I know of comes from the Thomas Belding and Lucy (Lindley) Rockwell marriage. My grandmother descends from Hannah Tymeson, which is the 2nd marriage of T.B. Rockwell. Sorry Jo John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== To post to this list - send email from the address you subsribed to the list with to this address - NYMadiso-L@rootsweb.com

In a message dated 12/18/2004 2:24:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, indianopening@yahoo.com writes: PS - my wife said I could send this, even though it says the word "killing"... I understand that..too well. If'n some of my ancestors weren't already dead I'd make 'em so again!

Hi again Jo You do know the "Patience Prayer", right? It's really a good one for situations like this... Now, say after me: "God... please grant me patience. Oh.. and God? Please grant it to me right dang now! Ummm... Amen. Merry Christmas I hope you and everyone (especially Marty Irons) find a trap door that nobody but you were supposed to find... John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

In a message dated 12/18/2004 5:57:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, indianopening@yahoo.com writes: I don't have much on Hiram (and I don't have the '55 census), but the Hiram Rockwel Hi John, That's ok John. The only reason that I was wondering is because apparently my Sarah Angline ORCUTT was a domestic/servant in Hiram's household on the '55 census. She was young and she was widowed with two small children at the time. Her last name was CHESEBRO and her children did not live with her. I can't find her son anywhere in the US! Just trying to see if I could get another angle to the story. The ten years from 1850 - 1860 have been the hardest part of her life to piece together. Thanks so much anyway, Jo Dee

Anyone researchin Burns, Burnes, Mulholland, Carey, English, Collins families? Jim in Vermont

:-) Thanks John- A cyber hug back to you and the misses- Merry Christmas ----- Original Message ----- From: "indi opie" <indianopening@yahoo.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] apology > Great point, Peg > Merry Christmas and a cyber hug > John > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search the list archives: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for > the name of the list > >

Hi Jo Dee I don't have much on Hiram (and I don't have the '55 census), but the Hiram Rockwell I know of comes from the Thomas Belding and Lucy (Lindley) Rockwell marriage. My grandmother descends from Hannah Tymeson, which is the 2nd marriage of T.B. Rockwell. Sorry Jo John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com

Pat, I wrote the archives on Thursday so I am hoping after the new year I will be hearing plenty. Meanwhile I found some great biographies on the Madison site. And I found I am back again with Green and think this new one will eventually tie in with my other Green/Greene families.Also new to me is Stilson. Everyone is still in Madison County so for now that is my concentration. I do have the book Newport Seventh Day Baptist Trilogy and it is interesting seeing the names which I have,. Nana ----- Original Message ----- From: <PNUTREG@cs.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Betsey Miller b 1787 in NY > Hi Nana > > Glad to help you. My husband is doing fairly well, but we are still > recovering and repairing Hurricane Damage. I might be heading North to > Lewis County > again as my brother is not doing well. > > Just remember I will check anything on SDB that I can, but it does take me > time as I do not have much time lately and I am doing 3 Genealogy Lectures > in > January. So I do have to get them together. But always willing to help > an SDB > Researcher in the Brookfield Area. . > > Regards > Pat > > > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search the list archives: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for > the name of the list > >

John, In the 1855 NY state census, do you have a Hiram and Roxey Rockwell in Stockbridge? Jo Dee Frasco

Hi Everybody I know there are a few of us who have talked about Thomas Rockwell of Stockbridge in the past. After just putting together a 50 page book of my mom's ancestry for my sisters, I can talk a little bit about the Rockwell family of Stockbridge, as I've concentrated some research on him over the past few weeks. My grandmother was Mary Eselma Rockwell, the oldest daughter of Garrett and Anna (Stam) Rockwell, who was the oldest son of Thomas Belding and Hannah (Tymeson) Rockwell. Thomas Belding Rockwell was married first to Lucy Lindley, but I have not researched that part of his life as fully. Thomas Rockwell, born 1772 in Woodbury, CT, was an early arrivee at Stockbridge, as Hammond says, for all intents and purposes. His roots are in the Fairfield County area of Connecticut. He was one of those people in my database who I had questions about because there were so many conflicting claims, regarding his heritage, and I feel confident now that I can share a truthful genealogy with you all. By using the Rockwell-Keeler genealogy, written by Boughton, The Rockwell Family in America, by H.E. Rockwell, and various other related family history books (with regard for the wives of these Rockwell men), I can safely take you to a Thomas Rockwell, born probably sometime between 1660-'70, in Fairfield, CT. It's very probable that the father of this Thomas was one John Rockwell of Rye, NY, as there are two mentions of the relationship in early Connecticut records. Between Boughton and H.E. Rockwell, there is a small degree of doubt regarding the relationship with some very subtle hints that might cause one to think that possibly this Thomas may have come to America a little later than the family progenitor, William Rockwell. Personally, it would be wise to follow along with the idea that this Thomas was the son of John, of Rye. It is "factual" that this Thomas is not of the direct line of William (of great note), but more probably the line of John, of Stamford, CT. Anyway, Thomas (c.1667 or so) married Sarah Ruscoe (Resco, Rusco, Rosco, Roscoe), the daughter of John Ruscoe, in 1703 and together they had four children, one of whom was a John Rockwell, born 1709. This John married Abigail Belden in 1733, in Norwalk, Ct, and in 1736, Thomas Rockwell was born. Not quite a year later, in 1737, John Rockwell died on the island of St. Eustatius, in the Lesser Antilles, while "doing business". Not quite three years after the birth of this Thomas, in 1739, his mother, Abigail died, and this Thomas was raised by his grandfather, William Belden. Belden family researchers refer to Belding as a "colloquial corruption" of the Belden surname. In 1766, this Thomas married Tabitha Dunham, a daughter of John Dunham, of Martha's Vineyard. Although I have not yet researched this part of the line fully, I vaguely remember that there were two daughters and two sons, one of those sons being Thomas, who came to Stockbridge. As seemed to be the way of the Rockwell men, this Thomas, as well, did not grow up with a father, as his died probably sometime before 1778. From a current acquaintance and Dan (or Dann) family researcher, I learn that Tabitha Dunham remarries, in 1779, to Abijah Dan. This would leave "our" Thomas Rockwell at about 7 or 8 years old at the time of his father's demise. To be honest, I do not have a definite source for the death of Thomas (b. 1736), but feel convinced enough through a variety of sources and circumstances to claim that his disappearance from records is the result of his death. From the Presbyterian Church records at Greenville, Greene, NY, Thomas Rockwell, who came to Stockbridge in 1813, is fairly well spoken of. My database, at RootsWeb, is: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=ameralia&recno=0 It is current and pretty well sourced, regarding these Rockwells. I hope to receive a file this week of "an inch thick stack of papers" from Baldwinsville and will have it in my possession until I visit the greatest country on Earth in May. It is some the original work of a repsected, long time Rockwell researcher. Merry Christmas John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com

Great point, Peg Merry Christmas and a cyber hug John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Amen Dan and Donna Being somewhat the toddler in the family, I have quickly found the value of "as good as one's sources". When I first started out, I was under the impression that, because I said it, it was so... (no one notified me that I would go through the aging process like everybody else either, if you get my drift...) To be honest, there have been times, on this path, when I have honestly considered finding some of these so called authors of history work and ummm... killing them, only to realize that they were already dead, which also frustrated me. The best I can hope for, regarding some of these "experts", is that I will be sent to the same place as where they are, in the afterlife, so I can settle some unresolved issues I have, and if I luck out and make it to Heaven, I'll probably have to sit there with my grudge (for eternity, if what "they" say is true), because the alternative sounds pretty iffy... Merry Christmas, Everyone May Love, Peace, and Hope fill your lives and those you love... John PS - my wife said I could send this, even though it says the word "killing"... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com

They also say they want their children to have what they did not have- QUESTION- are they talking about toys or hugs- ?? seems like so many are working to give their children stuff and not the attention they really need- so would more stuff have made your life better as a child-or the love of your parents ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "LOO COURTLAND" <us_edildas_girl@msn.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] apology > ..food for thought....Scrooge's mother died when he was born, if I remember correctly,and his father sent him off to boarding school at a young age and was cold towards him, and his fiance decided she did not want a workaholic for a husband. So he immersed himself in work and money, like many Americans do today. People nowadays don't think about that. Just food for thought. Loo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Stowell > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 8:06 PM > To: NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] apology > > At 12:31 PM 12/6/04 -0500, you wrote: > >Tim wrote: > >>As apologies do the soul good, I'm offering one to Dan W. for it seems to > >>me in retrospect that my note of 11/30 smack of one-upmanship - and that > >>won't do. My apologies Dan - thank you for the good work you do in > >>furthering Madison > >>County research. Tim > > > >I was the one who teased with the brag about being a few pages ahead of > >you, and no one need apologize for getting things accomplished!. Any extra > >or unused cash that you may have laying around can be sent my way, though! > > > > Dan W. > > Well if I was independently wealthy..... > > My riches are not measured in dollars but in other terms some of which were > expressed in the just past season but continuing in this season as well. > > I believe I can sincerely say that the spirit of Scrooge is not present > on this list but rather the spirit of Christmas is present throughout > the year. > > Tim > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search the list archives: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for > the name of the list > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search the list archives: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for > the name of the list > >

Donna wrote: >TOPIC #2 Regarding the Pioneers of Madison Co. book, you definitely do >have to be careful with the entries in that book. It is a guide only and >you have to check and recheck other sources, as someone else said. To >connect these 2 topics, "Pioneers" is a secondary source that is not perfect. Some 20 years ago former County Historian Isabel Bracy presented me with a copy of her draft of Tuttle's "10,000 Names of Early Madison County Residents" (published as "Pioneers of Madison County") and I still have it although ragged as Santa's coat on December 26th. Some 7-8 years ago I wrote a book review of Tuttle's "Pioneers of Madison County" saying pretty much the very same thing that Donna just said and I got dragged through the coals from one end of the county to the other. The problem is not that I don't appreciate the work, it is just that I grew up with people negating the validity of my research because "that's not what Tuttle says." As people have since found out through their own research experiences, Tuttle is not perfect and was only as good as his sources (which he rarely listed). An army of local researchers treated it all as a primary document without question. Despite my included praise of the work people only took my warning as cranky criticism, and not a lesson from the experienced. Dan W.