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I have found many "missing" families. Usually the name has been misspelled. I have had to go through whole towns on census records to find them. One census in Madison county the whole darn carpenter family was listed by their middle names!!! The enumerator must have misunderstood the instructions, dunno. many people were illiterate. I have one gggGrandfather listed in various censuses a Nickson, Nickinson, Nickerson, Nixson, etc.. every census different! With some people the spelling is so far off you really have to look at the given names of family members to "find" them. Hope this helps..keep studying the books line by line and you will most likely find them. Sharon

Pat, guess you have corrected the problem. Read your msg. from the list -ok Chas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Jaquay" <hjaquay@twcny.rr.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [NYMADISO] Testing > TESTING > Pat J. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search the list archives: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for > the name of the list >

It could be that the census was not included on the site you were looking at. I had that problem for Candor, NY in the 1930 census when I checked for Church Street. It just wasn't there. I wrote to my cousin who suggested that I look into Heritage Quest thru the Steel Library in Elmira. You can access this on line. I was there I found Church St. and a number of other streets that the Ancestry census had not included for that year. Joan, Searching Brookfield, Earlville, W. Eaton, South Byron and other area's for Beebe, Blanding, Chesebro, Clarke, Hills, Paynes, Damon, Delos Sweet and all the other relatives that make up my family.

The town, and village, of Coventry are in Chenango Co, the county directly sourth of Madison Co. I don't think, without checking, that it was ever in Broome Co, but could be mistaken. As to why/how someone is "missing" on a census, I have a couple of theories. Might it be possible that, for some reason we will never know, they moved to another place, without selling the land on which they lived in the earlier census, and then moved back to that land after the 1880 census. A long shot. More likely, I think, is the theory that the enumerator simply missed the family, or that he did enumerate them but when the final census sheet was written they were at that time missed. I don't know it to be a fact, but it seems to be logical that the census pages we see today were the final draft, and that a rough draft or maybe just sheets of paper was carried around by the actual enumerator, to avoid loss of, or spoilage of, the final page. Further, it "appears" that possibly, in some cases anyway, that the person who made the final draft was someone in "census headquarters" at the county level, who rewrote the rough drafts brought in by the various enumerators ... and often seems to have had trouble with their handwriting to boot when he made the transcriptions. Just a theory though. Graham Louer

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Hi List, I am wondering where Coventry New York is? I have found some information that states my mothers family was from there I have seen Coventry to be listed in both Broome county and Chenango counties. Another thing is how can a whole family be missing from the 1880 census? I have a family all living in one area in 1870, same area in 1900, 1910, 1920 was everyone listed in the census of 1880? If someone can answer these question it sure would help Thanks a lot and Think Spring Gigi Researching James, Quackenbush, Madison County, New York Smith and Johnston family of Coventry, ? County, New York

Hi, Is anyone researching this Ethan Allen ?? Will take any information, I have very little other than what is below. Thank You, Sondra NAMES AND SKETCHES OF THE PIONEER SETTLERS Of MADISON COUNTY, NEW YORK By William H. Tuttle. ALLAN, ALLAN ETHAN. Resident of Morrisville in 1838. Died in Fenner Dec. 6, 1847 agaed 55. Delphi Falls Cemetery Allen, Abi, wife of Maj. Daniel Allen, died July 7, 1835, age 69 years 1 month 17 days. Allen, Alexander Hamilton, born September 27, 1805, died May 11, 1875, age 69 years 7 months Allen, Daniel Jr., Capt., died July 9, 1840, age 49 years. Allen, Daniel, Maj., died November 5, 1846, age 81 years. Allen, Ethan, died June 12, 1856, (age broken away). Allen, Herrick, born January 6, 1799, died August 28, 1868. Allen, Sally B. Savage, wife of Alexander Hamilton Allen, born June 2, 1811, died May 7, 1886, age 76 years 11 months. Allen, Polly, wife of Ethan Allen, died July 5, 1842, age 50 years

Thank you so much, Darci. This cannot be our Adolphus Walrath because he was born 30 years too late, but it may be a clue, nevertheless, so I'll follow up on it. I appreciate the help. Dorothy Walrath R..... Darci <darci@darcisplace.com> wrote: > At 10:29 PM 2/24/05 -0800, you wrote: > >Hi Tim, > >Yes. Our Adolphus' grandson, George W. Walrath b. March 19, 1831, moved > to LaCrosse, WI with his spouse, Marian Swift Walrath, in 1860. Lived > there about ten years. Two sons born (one was my grandfather). Their > names were Lue Leroy and Charles Percy. Then the family moved to > Sacramento, CA, where I was born in 1929. Most of them are buried there. > While in LaCrosse, George W. Walrath was a riverboat captain for one year > up and down the Mississippi. He was also a newspaper editor some of those > years. I have newspaper copies of some of those editions. > >He lived some place else in Wisconsin before moving to LaCrosse, but I > haven't discovered where. > >I wish I could go back in time and ask them a few questions. Don't we > all???? > >Dorothy Walrath Raymer > > Well I know it sounds familiar but I can't place it just yet. I looked in > my counties in Wisconsin and the name didn't come up so I'll have to ponder > this one some more. > > Tim == From History of Northern Wisconsin 1881 - Vol II - Adolphus WALRETH was born on 28 Dec 1811 in Montgomery Co., NY. He was living in Oct 1855 in Neenah, Winnebago Co., WI. He was living about 1880 in Evanswood, Waupaca Co., WI. He was listed in biography, Page 1099 (History of Waupaca County Section) - also Walrath, or Walereth. Had 5 sons, 5 daughters. He was married to Miss about 1833. Children were: William WALRATH, John WALRATH. His son John was a member of the First Wisconsin Calvary, and died in Andersonville Prison. By going to the following page, scroll down to Adolphus WALRETH and click the camera icon. This is a scan of the article with a little more information, although the type is a little small. http://darcisplace.com/darci/migrations/d4.htm#P330 Darci ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== To post to this list - send email from the address you subsribed to the list with to this address - NYMadiso-L@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

At 07:46 PM 3/3/05 EST, you wrote: >Where may I find information on Brookfield and its 20 towns? > >Carl What sort of information are you seeking on Brookfield? Tim

Where may I find information on Brookfield and its 20 towns? Carl

Added this evening - Georgetown cemetery listing for Hillside cemetery: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nymadiso/hillside.htm 9 pages of detail transcribed by Mary Hafler, who is transcribing in both Madison and Chenango counties. As the detail on this is rather sparse, and since I have many obits mentioning this cemetery as the burial place prior to 1945, I'll update the data presented as I run across it. Tim Stowell Moderator Madison County mailing list Coordinator Madison County, NYGenWeb pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~nymadiso

This was sent to me the other day and I thought you'd all get a kick out of it. THE THIRTEEN COMMANDMENTS FOR NAMES (1). Thou shalt name your male children: James, John, Joseph, Josiah, Abel, Richard, Thomas, William. (2) Thou shalt name your female children: Elizabeth, Mary, Martha, Maria, Sarah, Ida, Virginia, May. (3) Thou shalt leave NO trace of your female children. (4) Thou shalt, after naming your children from the above lists, call them by strange nicknames such as: Ike, Eli, Polly, Dolly, Sukey.---making them difficult to trace. (5) Thou shalt NOT use any middle names on any legal documents or census reports, and only where necessary, you may use only initials on legal documents. (6) Thou shalt learn to sign all documents illegibly so that your surname can be spelled, or misspelled, in various ways: Hicks, Hicks, Hix, Hixe, Hucks, Kicks or Robinson, Robertson, Robison, Roberson, Robuson, Robson, Dobson. (7) Thou shalt, after no more then 3 generations, make sure that all family records are lost, misplaced, burned in a court house fire, or buried so that NO future trace of them can be found. (8) Thou shalt propagate misleading legends, rumors, and vague innuendo regarding your place origination: (A) you may have come from : England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales....or Iran. (B) you may have American Indian ancestry of the______tribe...... (C) You may have descended from one of three brothers that came over from______ (9) Thou shalt leave NO cemetery records, or headstones with legible names. (10) Thou shalt leave NO family Bible with records of birth, marriages, or deaths. (11) Thou shalt ALWAYS flip thy name around. If born James Albert, thou must make all the rest of thy records in the names of Albert, AJ, JA, AL, Bert, Bart, or Alfred. (12) Thou must also flip thy parent's names when making reference to them, although "Unknown" or a blank line is an acceptable alternative. (13) Thou shalt name at least 5 generations of males and dozens of their cousins with indentical names in order to totally confuse researchers. Arthur unknown Patty

..I, for one, have enjoyed this 'Guernsey' back in time.....Loo ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Jaquay Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:32 AM To: NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Barnyard Chatter I, for one, really enjoy reading your information Charles. I have some knowledge of what the farmers went through, but not to the extent you have. I was young and the family across the road ran a farm, as I stated before, our 'farm' wasn't of any magnitude. I would sometimes 'help' load the hay into the mow. Grandpa Diffen used just a wheel axel and hitch for the team to raise the hay up, across and into the mow, no mechanical power there. I was probably about 10 and would drive the team for this purpose. I did it maybe 3-5 times and then of course was bored and would scamper off. Boy did I think I was a big help!. The men were doing the hard, sweaty, dusty part. Could not understand why my mother frowned on my doing that job. I didn't think getting the hay seed/dust out of my long hair was that much of a problem! I still maintain that there was a lot of difference between the farm raised children and the city or village raised young un's. Difference in values, difference in attitudes and etc. But yet, I married a 'village' boy and we've done OK. --- 57 years and counting!! Pat J. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 2/25/2005 ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe from this list - send email to - nymadiso-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word - unsubscribe in the body of the email. If you are subscribed in Digest mode use the same address but change the -L- to -D-.

I'm looking for any descendants of MICHAEL J. DUNN bn. abt. Nov. 1857 in N.Y. His parents were JOHN DUNN of Ireland bn. abt. 1827 and Lidia of England bn. abt. 1832. Michael married Elizabeth bn. July 1857 in N.Y. Their children were: Lidia A. bn. Nov. 1882 (probably named for his mother) Frank son bn. Sept. 1884 Mary, daughter bn. June 1887 John bn. Appr. 1889 Leo bn. Feb. 1893 Margaret bn. June 1899 He lived on Broad St. in Oneida the same St.. his mother lived with his siblings in 1870 census. She had married a Wm. J. Knowles. Lidia, I am told died in the early 1870's. Michael named his children after his siblings Frank, Mary, John and Margaret. Hopefully, if there are any surviving descendants of this family I am eager to hear from them. There are still many unanswered questions in my progress with Michael's mother Lidia... as to her parents, and when she died and where she was buried. She was my husband's G. Grandmother. Anyone have any info on them, please write. I know the number of Dunn's in New York make it difficult to trace the family but since I have been able to advance two generations it gives me hope. Thanks for any help. Phyllis

Hi Chas, Pat, and folks... This reminds me of my "olden days"... My grandfather had a hired hand who used bailing twine like people use duct tape today. He (the hired hand) would start his day sometimes as early as 3-3:30am... Anyway, he could actually hold the bonnet of a tractor down with bailing twine, probably use the twine to hold a house together instead of nails, fix fence with it, make gate hinges with it, and yes... he even used it to hold stanchions together... Bailing twine was the miracle cure for everything. As I said a little earlier ago - he got up really early in the morning, and the curiosity got to be too much for my grandfather, so he decided to get up really early, go out to the barn, and see just exactly what the attraction was... (I was about 7 or so) We got to the barn and peeked in... there he was, sitting on a bail of hay, reading a comic book, milk can top upside down with milk in it, and about a thousand cats at his feet (ok I lied - it was more like 30 or 40 cats...) My grandfather, being the gentleman he was, decided to see what would happen (I remind you, this is at about 3am...) if he slammed a piece of wood against the barn door... The hired hand jumped off that bail of hay and picked up a hammer and started acting like he was working on something (furiously, that is...) - the cats went in all directions - and I thought my grandfather was going to laugh himself to death... Good thing the cows weren't in the barn at the time ;-) Such was life on the farm... John...

I, for one, really enjoy reading your information Charles. I have some knowledge of what the farmers went through, but not to the extent you have. I was young and the family across the road ran a farm, as I stated before, our 'farm' wasn't of any magnitude. I would sometimes 'help' load the hay into the mow. Grandpa Diffen used just a wheel axel and hitch for the team to raise the hay up, across and into the mow, no mechanical power there. I was probably about 10 and would drive the team for this purpose. I did it maybe 3-5 times and then of course was bored and would scamper off. Boy did I think I was a big help!. The men were doing the hard, sweaty, dusty part. Could not understand why my mother frowned on my doing that job. I didn't think getting the hay seed/dust out of my long hair was that much of a problem! I still maintain that there was a lot of difference between the farm raised children and the city or village raised young un's. Difference in values, difference in attitudes and etc. But yet, I married a 'village' boy and we've done OK. --- 57 years and counting!! Pat J. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 2/25/2005

Hello Deborah and others, A brief history of the stanchions. I apologize to the list for making this so long. It will bore some who are not interested. Sorry! After my old wooden stanchions, came the newer variety that you mentioned. They were manufactured of steel lined with wood where it touched the cow's neck. They were suspended from a top bar by a short chain and held in place at the bottom also with a chain. They opened and closed by a "mechanism" at the top of the somewhat "v" shaped contraption. To me they were a nuisance as the mechanism sometimes stuck from becoming rusty in the moist dairy barn. But they were widely used because they allowed the cow more freedom in moving her head around. Then came the tie stalls. These consisted of "u" shaped metal pipes (about 2" diameter) about 3 or 4 feet high cemented into the floor. They were wide U's, wide enough to make a wide space for each cow. These "u's" were set in a line, each being about a foot apart. The cows could stick their heads through, but it was not wide enough for them to walk through. Each cow had a wide strap around its neck which was snapped into a chain which slid up and down on the u-pipes. This method gave the cow freedom to move around somewhat and lie down more comfortably. Straw or sawdust or shavings were used over the cement floor to make a soft bed for the cow. The use of "water beds", rubber pads filled with water, (somewhat like our camping air matresses) were used to some extent although they were very expensive. Anything to make the cow more comfortable increased their milk production. In earlier times when I first started farming, every morning I turned the cows out of the barn to drink from the watering trough. This was in the winter. In summer the cows drank from streams or from a water trough in the pasture. When they were out to drink in winter the barn was cleaned ( manure shoveled out from the gutters and spreas on the fields) and fresh bedding laid down behind the stanchions. Most of the time the water trough was frozen over, so the ice had to be chopped out. Of course, the cows were thirsty after a diet of dry hay, so they drank all they could to last them until next morning. They didn't really drink as much as they needed because it was cold ice water. Most of them were trembling and shaking as they stood in the barnyard waiting to be let back into the warm barn. They had drunk just enough water to "get by with". Later those who had a barn that was built warm enough to stay above freezing began to use "water bowls/buckets". Water pipes were run along the rows of stanchions and a metal bowl was fastened between each two cows. They could share one bowl because they took only sips along through the day as they felt thirsty. The buckets had a "flat paddle" and inch or two above the bottom. I first taught our cows to drink from these on the day they were installed by pushing down the paddles to let a little water in. When the cow drank that much and tried to get more they pushed the paddle down, trying to get what was left. It only took about one day before they learned that was the way to get more water in the bowl. It was said milk production increased by about 20% after water bowls were installed. (probably true) Charles

Chenango County - Proofing and coding - Sherburne Centennial ------------------------------- Cortland County - Letter M of the 1850 Alpha Census listing http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycortla/census/1850cens.htm 2 letters remain (G, H) ------------------------------- Madison County - Several more pages of the New Woodstock history. 118 pages now online. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/madison1/nwdstock.htm Surnames: Burdick, M. R. Clark Drake Fox Freeborn, Newell V. Huntley Smith, Dr. A. D. Proofing / coding: Hillside Cemetery - Georgetown 1899 index ================== For all 3 getting material ready to send off to transcribers. Tim

In a message dated 2/28/2005 7:40:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, karlme@earthlink.net writes: This topic is being milked for all it worth but it brings back memories - just squeeze and pull! That's what I like about this group..they're the cream of the crop..butter stop now though or oil get in trouble. "N just for the record, I was raised on 1,980 acres in the high Okanogan so been there done that. And the smell of alfalfa still reminds me of vinella. At my age I no longer vault fences nor jump out of the back of old pickups..but those were the days, my friends, those were the days. In past lives I've dated city girls and Playboy bunnies, but a country girl is still by far the best! ( Oh what a temptation I past up there!)Laurence