Thank you, but the email address you gave me didn't work ... bummer! Thanks for trying anyway. I appreciate your help Anne

Hi, I believe their hours are M-F 9 to 4. They are different for summer hours. Their email address is www.mchs1900@dreamscape.com , if you want to check. chas ----- Original Message ----- From: <MuskratBay@aol.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: [NYMADISO] Madison County Historical Society? > Does anyone know the hours of operation of the Madison County Historical > Society? > > thanks > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search the list archives: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for > the name of the list >

Does anyone know the hours of operation of the Madison County Historical Society? thanks

I have located the following information on Raymond H. Stafford, but I am interested in locating his probate record, the location where he lived and passed away, information on his caregiver (last name may have been Favaro) and anyone who might have known him or his caregiver's family. Any assistance and suggestions you can give me is appreciated. If anyone knows where I can locate a picture that would be great! Thanks Anne Ruggeri Brewerton, NY Raymond Stafford Succumbs at 39; Syracuse Post Standard; June 2, 1963 page 35 Raymond H. Stafford, 39, of 7587 W. Seneca Turnpike, Manlius, died yesterday in a rest home at DeRuyter after a long illness. A native of DeWitt, he attended Fayetteville High School and was a World War II veteran, having served with the Army Medical Corps. in the European Theater. Mr. Stafford formerly was employed at a ranch in Montana. Surviving are his mother, Mrs. Katherine Kirkpatrick of White Sulpher Springs, Mont.; his father, Harry E. Stafford of Manlius, with whom he resided, and his stepmother, Mrs. Dorothy Stafford of Manlius. Private services will be at the convenience of the family Monday at Easton-Tubbs Funeral Home, 130 E. Geneses St., Fayetteville. The Rev. George L. Hammond will officiate. Burial will be in Manlius Cemetery. There will be no calling hours. Friends may contribute to the Multiple Sclerosis Fund. SSDI: Name Birth Death residence benefit sent SS# Issued RAYMOND STAFFORD 08 Apr 1924 Jun 1963 (not specified) (none specified) 067-18-7527 New York Manlius Village Cemetery: (from Onondaga County Rootsweb) STAFFORD, Donald (Lot 12, Sec. l, L) bur. Mar. 18, 1983, ae. 65. Vet WW II, formerly Manlius STAFFORD, Hurley J. (Lot 13, Sec. 3, L) b. 1900 d. 1944, bur. Sep. 21, 1944, ae. 44-7-14 STAFFORD, Minnie M. (Lot 13, Sec. 3, L) b. 1882 d. 1945, vault Jan. 10, 1944, bur. Apr. 14, 1945, ae. 62-3-29 STAFFORD, Raymond H. (Lot 13, Sec. 3, L) bur. June 3, 1963, ae. 39, Vet. World War II Honor roll, part III of III: (from Onondaga County Rootsweb) Stafford, Raymond H. Fayetteville. (Town of Dewitt) Name appears on the Fayetteville Honor Roll. "Pvt. Ray Stafford, son of Mr. and Mrs. Harry Stafford of Dewitt Park, Fayetteville, is now stationed with the medical corps hospital at Pine Camp. Pvt. Stafford is the youngest soldier in his outfit, having just passed his 18th birthday," The Post-Standard, 7/17/1942. "Mr. and Mrs. Harry Stafford of Dewitt park, Fayetteville have received word that their son, Pvt. Ray (Jerry) Stafford has been awarded the bronze star for medical and surgical aid beyond the line of duty and under enemy fire. Stafford has been awarded the bronze star for medical and surgical aid beyond the line of duty and under enemy fire. Stafford has been overseas since December, 1942, with the 61st station hospital, serving in Africa, Sicily and Italy," The Post-Standard, 7/25/1945. "The following are scheduled to arrive in the States after service overseas, according to lists prepared by The Associated Press...On Abe Lincoln due in Newport News Nov. 17...Pvt. Raymond H. Stafford, Dewitt Park, Fayetteville," The Post-Standard, 11/19/1945.

Thank you Dan, Dorothy and Sondra! I agree that this topic has gone "over the limit" as to what should be on a mailing list site. It comes as a bit of a surprise to me that those who wish to carry on this discussion??? don't get off the list and contact each other individually. Sorry if I have stepped on anyone's toes, but personally I feel it should be given a rest. Pat

and fellow woman:) > From: "Daniel H. Weiskotten" <weiskotten@erols.com> > Reply-To: NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:50:44 -0400 > To: NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYMADISO] Re: NYMADISO-D Indian Relics > Resent-From: NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:50:51 -0600 > > fellow man.

Hello group , I am still looking for any info on a George Watson who died in madison county around 1942- 1945 ,He was my great grandfather He was married to Ida Britton and had 3 children , Bessie watson , Pete Watson, and George Watson, At some point he was no longer with her But instead lived with a woman named Eva. I do not know if they married or not . But my father recalls memorys of This nice woman named Eva It is known that George ( gr grandpa) is buried in a cemetery on rt 13 in McConnesville NY or Camden NY . Ive walked the cemeterys over and over and cannot find his grave. However am embaressed to say , the first day I looked within an hour I did find A George Watson But told my friend it wasnt it. Because I thought i was searching for a George washington Watson only.And now i cant relocate the grave. But even when I do I still have no proof its the right one. He last lived in canastota and Dad says he worked with sold vegtables or worked a veg, farm till he died. He wasnt in the social security system i'm told or wasnt able to receive benifits . Well thanks in advance , Oh by the way , I do read all the postings and hope someday i can help someone else, And I might regret putting in my two cents But . here goes......... When I joined this mail list I found a special close group , full of many wonderfull and interesting peaple who love sharing and helping others, Much like a family in itself. And as any family every member has its own specal value. We may not like each other sometimes and yet we are unseperably family. If i recall someone asked our group for info on a subject that was not quite related to geneology of Madison county. instead Indian relics. So the point is ,,,, We are all valuble and need each other and we do not need to lose anyone to argumentation , And I hope that all can shake hands and agree that we are all in the wrong ( no one less or more) Because we never should of gotten into that conversation to begin with. This is probably a good reason why the list has that rule. But because your all so nice yous fell in a trap trying to help a stranger. The best friends we can have are the ones we can argue with and come out huggin" ( unconditional friendships) Ok , lets get to work . ( smile ) Thankyous , and sincerely , Connie

Well said Dan- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel H. Weiskotten" <weiskotten@erols.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: [NYMADISO] Re: NYMADISO-D Indian Relics > I've been reading with interest the thread on Indian Relics" which has > gotten quite a bit off track for a forum on Madison County Genealogy. The > internet is vast, and there are far better sources for such information, > including calling the local auction house if $$ is what you are after, or > the local university if you want information. > > I just need to pipe in with one thing, though. Someone wrote that the > NAGPRA laws and other such laws that protect cultural artifacts "are the > products of political correctness" which is purely false. It is a massive > response to hundreds of years of disrespect for our fellow man. There were > few arguments against the basis of the laws and the need for them, and the > only heat was over implementation. To say that it was simply a leftist > plot or some other sort of conspiracy shows that you know nothing of the > subject. yes, there were splits down the party line, as usual, but one > side wanted to save a few bucks, the other wanted to spend a few bucks to > do the right thing. You may have already guessed that I prefer that we do > the right thing. > > Lets keep the forum on-topic, and if we need to stray its OK to stray a > bit, but lets be adults about it and exercise some self-control and > self-governance. > > Dan Weiskotten > > Long-time Madison Forum subscriber > Professional Archaeologist > Professional Historian > and acknowledged specialist in Iroquois Prehistory and History. > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe from this list - send email to - > nymadiso-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word - unsubscribe in the body of the email. If you are subscribed in Digest mode use the same address but change the -L- to -D-. > >

Thank you- my mom had a phone number for the fellow I was hoping to find- the son of Charles J.Miller, and so great-he is sending me a family tree thing - a copy- this I hope will help me put a few people under the right parents- he said it was a simple tree,but to me, treasure- Thanks to all who helped me Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mema5281@aol.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] what county? > whitesboro and utica is in oneida county. I know that because I live in > oneida county. I hope this helps mema > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe from this list - send email to - > nymadiso-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word - unsubscribe in the body of the email. If you are subscribed in Digest mode use the same address but change the -L- to -D-. > >

I've been reading with interest the thread on Indian Relics" which has gotten quite a bit off track for a forum on Madison County Genealogy. The internet is vast, and there are far better sources for such information, including calling the local auction house if $$ is what you are after, or the local university if you want information. I just need to pipe in with one thing, though. Someone wrote that the NAGPRA laws and other such laws that protect cultural artifacts "are the products of political correctness" which is purely false. It is a massive response to hundreds of years of disrespect for our fellow man. There were few arguments against the basis of the laws and the need for them, and the only heat was over implementation. To say that it was simply a leftist plot or some other sort of conspiracy shows that you know nothing of the subject. yes, there were splits down the party line, as usual, but one side wanted to save a few bucks, the other wanted to spend a few bucks to do the right thing. You may have already guessed that I prefer that we do the right thing. Lets keep the forum on-topic, and if we need to stray its OK to stray a bit, but lets be adults about it and exercise some self-control and self-governance. Dan Weiskotten Long-time Madison Forum subscriber Professional Archaeologist Professional Historian and acknowledged specialist in Iroquois Prehistory and History.

In a message dated 4/26/2005 2:09:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, berger@netstream.net writes: What in the world does a charge of Marxism have to do with anything? It has a very great deal to do with a great many things, but as you point out, I have better things to do then argue over the obvious. I consider the matter closed. Laurence

whitesboro and utica is in oneida county. I know that because I live in oneida county. I hope this helps mema

I agree with Dorothy Sondra On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:58:56 -0700 (PDT) dorothy baker <dedor7020@yahoo.com> writes: > > Come on people. Let's get back to genealogy. Dorothy > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > To post to this list - send email from the address you subsribed to > the list with to this address - NYMadiso-L@rootsweb.com > > >

Laurence, Thank you for identifying yourself. I am not an academic, as a matter of fact, and I have no political agenda whatsoever on this list. It was you who injected particular strong political opinions stated as if they were facts into a civil, non-political, discussion about Indian relics, and you who seems exercised about the result. Your continuing comments are to my mind ridiculous. What in the world does a charge of Marxism have to do with anything? That sounds like something from the McCarthy era. Identifying the tone and content of your previous comments as "acid" and "right wing" is neither personal nor inaccurate. My view of the original topic, experience in academia, and political opinions evidently differ considerably from yours, not that it matters. If you have further comments for me, let's take it off the list, but it doesn't sound like there is much further discussion possible here. I am far too busy for pointless arguments on ideology. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. -- Pam B. > > Pam, I take exception to this. You and I have never met. We do not know each > other. > > As Franklin observed "The sting of an argument is in it's truth". I guess > you feel stung, hmmm? It is telling that you characterize my comments as > "Acid right wing political agenda" Please!- guess who is name calling now?? > > Examining your polemic I wonder if you are in academia. Whether you are or > not, it's clear to see your political agenda. > > That the staff of higher education is left to hard left is a simple > statement of fact. I can find the sources but the political stance on nearly every > major university is left. That's not opinion, its fact, and the political lens > through which the staff teaches. > > Let's also remember that "Political Correctness" is a political term. It is > a political LEFT WING term, It is in fact Marxists. It needs to be fought and > defeated at every turn. PC is in every way the antithesis of our basic > freedom of speech and our way of life. > > As for AIM, my comments are entirely appropriate, though they may be > uncomfortable for some. We were after all talking about INDIAN artifacts, not > Egyptian, not Indonesian, not Japanese. > > The question originated around personal property and the identification and > potential evaluation of this property. While you may feel the museums have > some inherent right to art, artifacts held privately, they do not. It's called > "Personal Property" for a reason. > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > To post to this list - send email from the address you subsribed to the list with to this address - NYMadiso-L@rootsweb.com > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > >

I do not subscribe to your assertion that what I find on my property is not my own, unless there is a specific law to the contrary. Maybe some of the laws regarding artifacts have gone too far. For decades now there has been a feud between archeologists and those who buy and sell. In the latter case I personally have no time for thieves but an item legitimately bought or sold should not be impeded by laws that obviously are the products of political correctness. On Antiques Road Show often one sees Indian relics and items from other cultures. Some allegedly were bought. Who really knows whether an item from the Ming dynasty was taken without compensation or whether a pair of moccasins from the 1850s was bought or stolen? Insofar as I'm concerned case closed. GMF On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:39:26 -0500 "Pamela Berger" <berger@netstream.net> writes: > I don't know why the topic should be "incendiary." What do you > mean "is > it a part of 'political correctness?'" The fact that artifacts may have been found on "one's own property" has little meaning--in the long view such artifacts are part of the cultural heritage of all of us.

It is not a restriction of free speech. It is good manners to not discuss politics and religion as they are very personal subjects. This is a genealogy list and should not be used for "in my opinion political views." Observations and personal opinions should be taken off list, especially if you do not belong to the culture or religion that is being discussed. If we are going to start discussing politics, let's start with the next presidential election. Elaine From: <gmfree@juno.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Indian Relics > That is what one could call restriction of freedom of speech. Aspects of > the Indian culture are not off limits to opinions and free speech. To > attempt to bridle such speech is one of the worst aspects of political > correctness. Many of us have opinions and I would venture you do as well. > If I don't care to read an opinion I just use my delete key. > > I don't know who "Breakness" is but the observations were insightful, > IMO. > GMF > > On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:10:09 -0400 "elainedecker" > <elainedecker@frontiernet.net> writes: > > This discussion should end as it is getting into a personal, > > religious and > > political discussion. Unless you belong to a tribe and know the > > thoughts, > > ideals and religions of said tribe it is best not to discuss it at > > all. It > > is not proper to have "in my opinion" discussions about topics such > > as this. > > Thank you. > > Elaine, member > > Wiquapaug Eastern Pequot Tribe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Breakness@aol.com> > > To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Indian Relics > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/25/2005 7:08:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > > gmfree@juno.com writes: > > > > > > What is the definition of culturally sensitive? Is it a part of > > political > > > correctness > > > > > > > > > I'm not trying to romp on anyone here but I do have a very firm > > opinion on > > > this issue. My mother's family are in part Lakota Sioux. I have > > yet to > > prove it > > > but I believe my father's people had some Cherokee and possibly > > some > > > Delaware. > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search the list archives: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for > the name of the list > > >

That is what one could call restriction of freedom of speech. Aspects of the Indian culture are not off limits to opinions and free speech. To attempt to bridle such speech is one of the worst aspects of political correctness. Many of us have opinions and I would venture you do as well. If I don't care to read an opinion I just use my delete key. I don't know who "Breakness" is but the observations were insightful, IMO. GMF On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:10:09 -0400 "elainedecker" <elainedecker@frontiernet.net> writes: > This discussion should end as it is getting into a personal, > religious and > political discussion. Unless you belong to a tribe and know the > thoughts, > ideals and religions of said tribe it is best not to discuss it at > all. It > is not proper to have "in my opinion" discussions about topics such > as this. > Thank you. > Elaine, member > Wiquapaug Eastern Pequot Tribe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Breakness@aol.com> > To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Indian Relics > > > > > > In a message dated 4/25/2005 7:08:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > gmfree@juno.com writes: > > > > What is the definition of culturally sensitive? Is it a part of > political > > correctness > > > > > > I'm not trying to romp on anyone here but I do have a very firm > opinion on > > this issue. My mother's family are in part Lakota Sioux. I have > yet to > prove it > > but I believe my father's people had some Cherokee and possibly > some > > Delaware.

Come on people. Let's get back to genealogy. Dorothy

Thank you to all that helped in locating Whitesboro, NY. Joan Beebe Meddaugh Searching Beebe's, Hills, Knapp's, Frick, Maxom, White,Clarke, and who ever else these families attach to from Madison Co. and the New England areas.

I am looking for a Warren Raymond who married Eliza Beebe Simmons in Whitestown, NY. A connection to their son Charles Warren Raymond is my main concern as he lived in Lenox, Madison, NY according to the 1860 census. Respectfully, Jeffrey Holtz -----Original Message----- From: Joan Meddaugh [mailto:lpmj@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:49 AM To: NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYMADISO] Thank you Thank you to all that helped in locating Whitesboro, NY. Joan Beebe Meddaugh Searching Beebe's, Hills, Knapp's, Frick, Maxom, White,Clarke, and who ever else these families attach to from Madison Co. and the New England areas. ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe from this list - send email to - nymadiso-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word - unsubscribe in the body of the email. If you are subscribed in Digest mode use the same address but change the -L- to -D-.