Hi Sharon, I've been following these messages with interest. It occurs to me that you could either put the data on a CD or print it out and keep it in a container that is labeled to go to either a local library or historical society upon your death. It could further be marked to say that information on living people should not be shared until x # of years after their dates of birth (maybe similiar to the way the census data is shared). You could note this in your will to be sure someone is aware of this. The data could be left in your safe deposit box if you have one large enough to hold it. You might want to contact the Madison County Historical Society or a local genealogy group (is there one for Madison County?) to see what their advice would be. Maybe they would accept it now with the understanding that data about living people would not be released to the public. I would guess this has been a question that has been asked before, but maybe not. Thanks for bringing it up on this list--I really hadn't thought about it myself. Pat Rowe Stone, Rochester, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Garrett" <skye523@webtv.net> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:45 PM If I die next month all my data that I have on living family members will be just thrown out! No one close to me is interested. > I need to figure out how hundreds of hours of genealogy work and dozens > and dozens of family group sheets can be saved. I do not know of any repository to give this info to. > The datawould be pretty useless with out dates, places, etc, but just can > not be given to an historical society, etc without. I do not know of a > solution. > It seems like there should be some sort of an effort to create a > repository..some safe way to protect the data of us all for posterity... > but what?

Hi Sharon, I have thought a little bit about where my research might go but hopefully I still have 40 more years or more before that becomes an issue. And I hope my children at some point may show an interest or any future grandchildren but who knows. Have you checked with the genealogical societies in the areas either where you are living or better yet, where your research is concentrated? What about the historical society? You may also want to check into colleges in the area. I believe there was an article either in Family Tree Maker magazine or Family Chronicle magazine regarding this issue. Let me see if I can find it and see what they suggested. What family lines have you researched? Maybe you have some of the same lines I have, one never knows. Christine Emond -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Garrett [mailto:skye523@webtv.net] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:45 PM To: NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Living relatives Gosh, I am ust ot describing the problem. If I die next month all my data that I have on living family members will be just thrown out! No one close to me is interested. I need to figure out how hundreds of hours of genealogy work and dozens and dozens of family group sheets can be saved. I would and have neer put anything on a website and those are not a way to save data for , what I hope, will be a future genealogist in the family. I guess you all have younger family members that are interested, I do not. I have literally hundreds of cousins (of one degree or another) all over the US that are descendants. Now LDS only takes info on deceased. I do not know of any repository to give this info to. Maybe others in a like position have never thought beyond their life time and how to protect their valuable research? If anyone has, plase let me know. The datawould be pretty useless with out dates, places, etc, but just can not be given to an historical society, etc without. I do not know of a solution. I have a cousin dying of cancer with the same worries regarding his work. His wife will just throw it out in the trash and neither of his daughters want it. It seems like there should be some sort of an effort to create a repository..some safe way to protect the data of us all for posterity... but what? Or is there somewhere? that is what I want to know. has anyone mae a way to safeguard thir data on people who are now living? Or perhaps few have data on hundreds of people like me as they are not from the prolific breeders my people were (: Thanks, Sharon ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== To post to this list - send email from the address you subsribed to the list with to this address - NYMadiso-L@rootsweb.com

I too have a similar problem, but one day I hope one of my children or grandchildren will take over. I think the best way to go is to keep backups and printouts of your personal family history program, with all the true data, and pass this on to someone(s) in the family. You might even send it, via snail mail to an interested distant cousin. It will find its way to the hands of that person interested in your history. Bob

Gosh, I am ust ot describing the problem. If I die next month all my data that I have on living family members will be just thrown out! No one close to me is interested. I need to figure out how hundreds of hours of genealogy work and dozens and dozens of family group sheets can be saved. I would and have neer put anything on a website and those are not a way to save data for , what I hope, will be a future genealogist in the family. I guess you all have younger family members that are interested, I do not. I have literally hundreds of cousins (of one degree or another) all over the US that are descendants. Now LDS only takes info on deceased. I do not know of any repository to give this info to. Maybe others in a like position have never thought beyond their life time and how to protect their valuable research? If anyone has, plase let me know. The datawould be pretty useless with out dates, places, etc, but just can not be given to an historical society, etc without. I do not know of a solution. I have a cousin dying of cancer with the same worries regarding his work. His wife will just throw it out in the trash and neither of his daughters want it. It seems like there should be some sort of an effort to create a repository..some safe way to protect the data of us all for posterity... but what? Or is there somewhere? that is what I want to know. has anyone mae a way to safeguard thir data on people who are now living? Or perhaps few have data on hundreds of people like me as they are not from the prolific breeders my people were (: Thanks, Sharon

Seeking Anna SCHUMACHER's husband's first name Mr. ? GERHARDT. Anna SCHUMACHER GERHARDT brothers were my uncles: 1) William F. SCHUMACHER 1895-1986 [immigrated from Baden, Germany to Baldwin, Nassau, NY, near NYC] and married Frances R. FALLON [1899-1980] parents of NJ and VT, and 2) Eugene SCHUMACHER. Many THANKS in advance, Jan H. Jordan in VT <jnrose@webtv.net> ================================== SSDI GERHARDT, Anna Last Residence:Â 11510 Baldwin, Nassau, New York, United States of America Born:Â 27 Oct 1899 Died:Â 24 Sep 1987 State(Year) SSN Issued:Â New York (Before 1951)

one could also just leave the date spaces blank - ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bobevans01@aol.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Living relatives > The safest way to do it is just put "living" in the name field and not dates > in any communication you send through the Internet. Or, if you know the person > really does not mine, put the name with no dates. > > Bob Evans > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > To post to this list - send email from the address you subsribed to the list with to this address - NYMadiso-L@rootsweb.com > >

Thanks very much John. As a Ward from that little corner of Madison, Oneida County and from watching the documentary, I came away with the conclusion that we are all very likely part of one family. Since I placed my post, I have heard from likely relatives. Speaking for the Wards, I think we are part of one very large family. Even within a large family, we have the smart ones, the slow ones and everyone in between, but we are all one family. And we are part of a much larger family called the human race. Jeff Ward.

Hi Sharon I do not document nor do I release any family member who is still living, nor do I rush the DOD of a close relative to the Internet. The Obit tells you the funeral home and any researcher with experience knows how to contact the funeral home and the Cemetery Officials where he was B. In addition check the Obits in the local paper. Most of identity theft is done with your Bank. Yes, your Bank. This past year I have had my Gold card changed twice because somewhere and somehow my Card number got out to the ublic. Genealogy is far above this method. Hope this will relieve your ming Regards Pat R

The safest way to do it is just put "living" in the name field and not dates in any communication you send through the Internet. Or, if you know the person really does not mine, put the name with no dates. Bob Evans

I am wondering how others deal with the hundreds of living relatives inntheir family files? I can not find many ..that I know of..in any of the far flung cousins who are even interested in genealogy. Now the work I have done on those that are dead is preserved in various places, historical societies, etc. But in today's world with the real threat of identity theft, what do others do about those still living? And there are hundreds in my case. months of work and hundreds of dollars, but mostly, I do not want to have it lost for future generations. Any ideas? Thanks, Sharon

On 9/23/05, JeffJWard@aol.com <JeffJWard@aol.com> wrote: > I just watched the very moving documentary "Brother's Keeper" about the > murder trial and acquittal of Delbert Ward. I wonder how people in Madison County > reacted to it. Was it fair and accurate? Perhaps someone on this list would > know about the Ward brothers' ancestry. Just knowing the names of their father > and grandfather would be most helpful. My great-great grandfather was Wilmoth > Ward (circa 1817-1893). He had a large family and had children spread over > almost 30 years by two or three successive wives. He is listed in the 1880 census > as a farm laborer. He lived in the Madison, Solsville and Augusta New York area > all of which are very close to Munsville. So I think there is good reason to > suspect a family relationship with the Ward brothers. Jeff Ward from sunny > (finally) South Florida. Jeff, I am a relative of the Ward Boys. My grandfather was their father's brother. Email me and I can give you some history. As a matter of fact, I will be meeting Lyman on the weekend of the 1st of Oct. There is another brother alive. He is in a nursing home. Patty

Thanks, Aaron. I really appreciate your response. I was certainly glad to see Delbert's acquittal. I thought the some of the pretrial claims of both the defense and prosecutors were pretty outrageous. But the defense attorney looked pretty reasonable and effective in the courtroom. I am an attorney and have done my share of trial work but have had little experience in criminal court. I followed the case from Florida but did not, at that time, have any reason to believe the Ward brothers were possibly my relatives. My great-great grandfather Wilmoth Ward was eccentric, he and his wife would not be photographed because they thought it violated the commandment against graven images and I was told by one of his grandsons that he and his wife were buried in unmarked graves somewhere near Augusta again because they thought tombstones violated the same commandment. He had no church other than his bible. He had one son who was "slow", but others were quite bright. My ancestor, his grandson Lester Ward, was something of a child prodigy and became a pharmacist in Allegany County. And Lester had lots of very, very smart descendants including one grandson who is currently a professor at Johns Hopkins Medical School and another who is a respected laser physicist. If the Ward brothers are my relatives, it would be very interesting to have some DNA testing done. But I have my doubts that Delbert, assuming he is still living, would want to have any part of it. As you can well imagine, I watched this documentary with great interest and I did think the Ward brothers looked more like members of my own family than the other Munnsville area residents. Jeff Ward

Hi there, saw this on Cyndi's list and thought maybe someone might be interested. http://www.betweenthelakes.com/quinlan.htm It's the history of Sullivan Co., New York Beth

I just watched the very moving documentary "Brother's Keeper" about the murder trial and acquittal of Delbert Ward. I wonder how people in Madison County reacted to it. Was it fair and accurate? Perhaps someone on this list would know about the Ward brothers' ancestry. Just knowing the names of their father and grandfather would be most helpful. My great-great grandfather was Wilmoth Ward (circa 1817-1893). He had a large family and had children spread over almost 30 years by two or three successive wives. He is listed in the 1880 census as a farm laborer. He lived in the Madison, Solsville and Augusta New York area all of which are very close to Munsville. So I think there is good reason to suspect a family relationship with the Ward brothers. Jeff Ward from sunny (finally) South Florida.

I live and work in Onondaga County with 5 people who live in Munnsville. I watched this film earlier this year, and spoke with my 5 co-workers individually on several occasions about the film and the Ward brothers. I found the film fascinating, and actually drove up to their farm one weekend, where I came face to face with one of the Ward brothers unexpectedly. I am from a rural area (in Oswego County), but the surroundings of Munnsville are quite undeveloped, and feature several abandoned homes and buildings. It is a beautiful area. Apparently, the Ward brothers were often shunned in the very same hometown that seemed to embrace them in their time of need. At least 3 of the people whom I work with said that "you would know if one of them was around long before you saw them." The film depicts the Ward brothers as the somewhat kooky outsiders of a very small and seemingly tight knit community. The impression that I received from my co-workers was that the support of the community was more in reaction to the "big city" (Oneida, and Wampsville, the latter of which is the county seat, are far from big cities, and you'd be laughing out loud if you knew how big) investigation. Left out of the movie for the most part were the outrageous allegations (on the part of the prosecution before the trial) that the Ward brothers may have had a sexual relationship. All 5 of my coworkers had seen the film, and some owned a copy. It is an important newsstory in recent history. I know nothing of their genealogy, but I believe that only one of the four brothers is still living. Aaron Howard North Syracuse, NY JeffJWard@aol.com wrote: I just watched the very moving documentary "Brother's Keeper" about the murder trial and acquittal of Delbert Ward. I wonder how people in Madison County reacted to it. Was it fair and accurate? Perhaps someone on this list would know about the Ward brothers' ancestry. Just knowing the names of their father and grandfather would be most helpful. My great-great grandfather was Wilmoth Ward (circa 1817-1893). He had a large family and had children spread over almost 30 years by two or three successive wives. He is listed in the 1880 census as a farm laborer. He lived in the Madison, Solsville and Augusta New York area all of which are very close to Munsville. So I think there is good reason to suspect a family relationship with the Ward brothers. Jeff Ward from sunny (finally) South Florida. ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== Search the list archives: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for the name of the list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Beth, It's been a while since I've been there, but I think it was $2 plus $.50 a page. Howard On 9/8/05, Beth Comstock <bethsroots@verizon.net> wrote: > > Howard, > > thanks for the info. Do you have any idea of how much I should send for > the > copy? > > thanks, > Beth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Howard Locke" <hlocke3@gmail.com> > To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] fyler cemetery > > > > The Madison County Historical Society has a listing of names of those > > buried > > there. I believe it was compiled by the DAR in the early 1920s. You may > > want > > to write to them and request a copy of it. I know they will do that for > a > > reasonable charge. > > Here's their address and phone number: > > > > 435 Main Street > > Oneida, NY 13421 > > 315-363-4136 > > > > Howard Locke > > > > On 7/24/05, Beth Comstock <bethsroots@verizon.net> wrote: > >> > >> Does someone have a listing online of the gravesites in Fyler Cemetery? > I > >> was hoping for photos and info. from headstones? > >> > >> James Beeman > >> Caroline (Case) Beeman > >> > >> I know there are others too, but would like to look through the list if > >> there is one. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Beth > >> > >> > >> ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > >> To post to this list - send email from the address you subsribed to the > >> list with to this address - NYMadiso-L@rootsweb.com > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > > Search the list archives: > > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for > > the name of the list > > > > > > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > To post to this list - send email from the address you subsribed to the > list with to this address - NYMadiso-L@rootsweb.com > >

Karl, A Google search on "Presbyterian Cazenovia NY" brought back http://rmc.library.cornell.edu/EAD/htmldocs/RMM02060.html "Guide to the First Presbyterian Church (Cazenovia, N.Y.) Records, 1799-1952" I hope this helps. Marty Irons k2mi@frontiernet.net All e-mail scanned by Norton 2005 anti-virus, updated online daily. May all your ancestors YELL at you, telling you how and where to find them. PS: great great grandfather John F IRONS.... b. 1811 "somewhere"....possibly Otsego County NY.... d. 1854 Cazenovia, Madison, NY.... please stand up on that brick wall and yell out the names I've sought for 11 years....LOUDER! Who were your parents? Where were you born? Was it Otsego County NY? Did you have a brother named Orlando? Who were your other siblings?

Marty: Thank you, I looked at the web page and sent an inquiry via email. Great help! Karl karlme@earthlink.net

A Presbyterian Church was started at the end of the 1700s in Cazenovia; does anyone know where I could find the early records? Thank you very much. Karl MacEachron Fresno CA

http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_258111338.html Tim Stowell Moderator Chenango County mailing list Coordinator Chenango County, NYGenWeb pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~nychenan