Fascinating information Jeff. Probably doesn't help me a bit but I do like to read the old "history". Maybe someday I can find a connection somewhere. Thank you for your time. Dorothy Baker

Dorothy, I have no Hanna Ward in my records but then I have so little information about my Ward family. Wilmoth Ward was born circa 1817 in Chenango County, New York. My family suspects that he was the son of Jeremiah Ward who is listed in Pylmouth Township, Chenango County in the 1820 census. Wilmoth told later census takers that his father was born in New Jersey. I do not know the names of Jeremiah's siblings or parents. It is quite possible that either or both Hanna and Jeremiah were descendants of either Sergeant John Ward or John Ward (the turner, which was his trade) who were among the first settlers of Newark, New Jersey in the 1660s. John Ward the turner was several years younger than Sergeant John Ward and they were probably not closely related. They were part of a group led by Robert Treat that left New Haven Colony and founded Newark. But I have no proof so this is just an hypothesis. Jeff Ward

Dorothy we have a Hannah, but born in 1822. I doubt if we have a connection there. Chas ----- Original Message ----- From: "dorothy baker" <dedor7020@yahoo.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Ward--Brother's Keeper > Charles, Jeff, and anyone else with a "Ward" connection. > > I have been reading your offerings for so long, and one of them finally > turned on the proverbial lightbulb. Probably no cigar, but if you don't > ask ----- > > My husband's g-g-g-grandparents were Harvey Baker b. 1775 in New Jersey. > His wife was Hannah Ward born February 28, 1778 in New Jersey. All I know > of Harvey is that he was reputed to be a farmer and cooper and of English > ancestry. > > They moved from New Jersey to Fonda, N.Y. (Montgomery County/Herkimer > area). > The Baker's also ended up in Madison County and in Cayuga County. I > cannot track Harvey (wonder if that was really his first name) but have > tracked all of his descendents. I know Hannah was in Cayuga County, > Sennett in 1855--after that ???? > > Does Hannah show up anywhere in your archives? > > Thank you for any help. > > Dorothy Baker > > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe from this list - send email to - > nymadiso-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word - unsubscribe in the > body of the email. If you are subscribed in Digest mode use the same > address but change the -L- to -D-. > >

Please do not feel like you are a lurker on this scene. The Ward family is notoiusly hard to trace. I have every reason to believe that my Wards came from New Jersey and problably from Newark but have just about given up efforts to try to prove it. There was a group from the New Haven Colony in Connecticut, led by one of my proven ancestors Robert Teat who founded the city of Newark. Among the founders were two John Wards. But the Wards are so plentiful, that it is all just speculation. I do know now that the Ward brothers featured in the documentary are not at all close relatives. This does not anything to lessen my warm feelings for them.

Charles, Jeff, and anyone else with a "Ward" connection. I have been reading your offerings for so long, and one of them finally turned on the proverbial lightbulb. Probably no cigar, but if you don't ask ----- My husband's g-g-g-grandparents were Harvey Baker b. 1775 in New Jersey. His wife was Hannah Ward born February 28, 1778 in New Jersey. All I know of Harvey is that he was reputed to be a farmer and cooper and of English ancestry. They moved from New Jersey to Fonda, N.Y. (Montgomery County/Herkimer area). The Baker's also ended up in Madison County and in Cayuga County. I cannot track Harvey (wonder if that was really his first name) but have tracked all of his descendents. I know Hannah was in Cayuga County, Sennett in 1855--after that ???? Does Hannah show up anywhere in your archives? Thank you for any help. Dorothy Baker

hi, and good day i have a book called Pioneers of Madison county, and the stone family is in it, not sure if its yours, but a few things point to them nothing on Thomas or Abigail, but other stones are 1)Samuel, lived in Nelson 1814 2)Samuel, died june 9,1847 age 47m vyrued at Merrillsville, n.y. no thomas J. Issac Stone. methodist minister, at Stockbridge, 1829-1830. was a circuit rider no Millen stone found John Stone, there are 2 1)John, Veteran of Rev. War. served in the Mass. line, pesioned in 1832, born in 1753, died 11/1840 , age 87, settled in Lebanon, 1795, Wife Elizabeth died 3/1/1841, age 85, buried in South Lebanon, n.y. 2) john H. died june 18,1875 age 75 buied at Cazenovia, n.y. Benjamine Stone, vet. Rev. War. served in the N.Y. Line. Lenox juror 1813, died in Cazenovia, july 5,1839, age 76 stone, Sampson , spelled Samson, 1) samson, Sr. settled in Madison prior to 1795, died jan 2,1849, age 86, buried at Erieville, n.y. 2) Samson Jr. died 2/9/1862, age 63, buried in Erieville, son, Hiram, born in 1/830 other Stones listed are; A.C., A, Anson, Arum, Asahel, David-Vet. War. of 1812, lieut, 1817 in Bicknell's Battallion, died june 5,1863. age 76. buried at Erieville. Elijah Stone, Erasmus, Frederick, George, lawyer1836, died at Homer, n.y. 1840 Henry stone, Ira stone, Joseph stone, Lydia Stone, Lyman C. stone, Malinda Stone, Moses stone, Nancy stone, oliver stone, Polly stone, Seth stone, Sewel, stone, Teresa E. stone, William stone, , and last one is another William no name of Wetherly found; hope this helps in someway, have a nice day, doris

I posted a message on RootsWeb Madison Co. Message board -- thought it would come to the List, but didn't, so here is what I was writing about. I just received a copy of the death certificate for Samuel W. Stone, son of Thomas & Abigail Weatherly Stone. Samuel was born August 19, 1830 and died Nov. 6, 1889 in Georgetown, NY, buried in Otselic Center, NY (I think this is Chenango Co.--don't know the name of the cemetery). I've been trying to determine who his parents were for many years. Now that I have their names from Samuel's death certificate, I need to find out more info about them and try to find proof of what I am guessing is their family. I'd like to hear from anyone who has info. Here is what I know & what I need to know. Thomas & Abigail were married on Sept. 2, 1824 in Lebanon, NY. I believe they were both born in Mass., based on census records over several years for their son Samuel. However, the death certificate says they were born in Conn.--info from Samuel's wife, Calista E. Brown Stone, whose parents were born in Conn. I am guessing she misunderstood and listed her parents' birthplace, not Samuel's parents'. In 1830 Thomas was on the Georgetown census, age 20-30. In 1840 he was on the Hamilton census, age 30-40. I cannot locate him after that. No record of Abigail Stone in 1850 census. In 1880, Abigail Peckham, a widow, mother of Isaac Stone (I believe he is Samuel's brother) is living with Isaac in Georgetown, NY. In 1850 there is an Abigail Peckham living in Georgetown with husband, Isaac Peckham. Isaac's first wife, Patience Lawton Peckham, died in 1849, buried in Village Cemetery, Georgetown. So I think Abigail Weatherly Stone & Isaac Peckham were married after their respective spouses died before 1850. To further support this, I found Isaac Stone living with the Peckham family in Madison, NY in 1900. I believe Isaac is Samuel's brother because he was living with Samuel & Calista in 1850. This would make sense if his father had died and mother just remarried, 18 year old Isaac might have preferred to live with his brother. Does anyone have any information that would support these thoughts, or lead me in the right direction? I think Thomas & Abigail's family consisted of sons Samuel W., Thomas J., & Isaac M. Stone. I think Thomas had a brother named Millen Stone. I think their parents were John Stone (1753-1840) & Elizabeth Stone (1756-1841) who lived in Georgetown, Lebanon & Eaton. I think John was in the Revolutionary War. I also think he may have been brother to Benjamin Stone, Cazenovia, who came from Colrain, Mass. I received info from another researcher who says Benjamin Stone was born April 10, 1763, Oakham, Mass.; d. July 5, 1839, Ballina Cazenovia, Madison Co., NY; m. HANNA MCHANESS, January 22, 1783, Colrain, Mass. Benjamin Stone purchased land in Cazenovia in 1808 (Lot NP4) from Holland Land Co. John Stone purchased land there in 1813 (Lot N115). The earliest record of a Stone family in the area was Oliver Stone who purchased land in Nelson in 1793 (Lot N142). Don't know if he might be related to John or Benjamin. Other Stones who purchased land were: David Stone 1812 (Lot N109); Sampson Stone 1814 (Lot N 165); Silas 1811 (Lot N153). Oliver also purchased Lot N 119 in 1811. (All this lot info comes from Dan Weiskotten's Cazenovia site.) If I am interpreting this correctly, the "N" stands for Nelson. The map on Dan's site shows Lot N115 (John's lot) borders the north side of Eaton Reservoir. It sure seems like there must be a link between all these Stone families who bought land there, but just can't find it! In 1820 John lived next door to Samuel Wetherly in Georgetown. I think Samuel Wetherly may be father to Abigail and that he was born in 1769 in Mass. Also that he married Abigail Eddy in Sturbridge, Mass. on Nov. 18, 1795. I hope this info rings a bell with someone out there who can prove if I'm right or wrong! I need facts to back all of this guessing! Patricia (Pat) Stone

Karl, Are you in any way related to William Talbot that lived in New Berlin, Chenango County in the 1920s and 30s? He was born about 1912 and graduated from New Berlin School and then went on to graduate from Syracuse University? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl MacEachron" <karlme@earthlink.net> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: [NYMADISO] 1855 NY Census > Does anyone have access to the 1855 NY census? If so, would mind doing > a lookup for the following: > Edward Talbot - Cazenovia > Betsy Talbot - Cazenovia, wife of Edward

If the William, you referenced, is related to Samuel, then I am related. I desc from Samuel through his daughter, Cynthia who married George Rickard (they are the parents of my maternal great-grandmother. Karl karlme@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: elainedecker <elainedecker@frontiernet.net> > To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 9/26/2005 10:36:57 AM > Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] 1855 NY Census - TALBOT > > Karl, > Are you in any way related to William Talbot that lived in New Berlin, > Chenango County in the 1920s and 30s? > He was born about 1912 and graduated from New Berlin School and then went on > to graduate from Syracuse University? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karl MacEachron" <karlme@earthlink.net> > To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:24 AM > Subject: [NYMADISO] 1855 NY Census > > > > Does anyone have access to the 1855 NY census? If so, would mind doing > > a lookup for the following: > > Edward Talbot - Cazenovia > > Betsy Talbot - Cazenovia, wife of Edward > > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe from this list - send email to - > nymadiso-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word - unsubscribe in the body of the email. If you are subscribed in Digest mode use the same address but change the -L- to -D-.

Does anyone have access to the 1855 NY census? If so, would mind doing a lookup for the following: Edward Talbot - Cazenovia Betsy Talbot - Cazenovia, wife of Edward James Reynolds - Lenox Phebe Reynolds - Lenox, wife of James I would like to know where each of the above was born and how long they lived in Madison. Thanks a million. Karl MacEachron Fresno CA

ThanksPat. No, i do, not give info out on living relatives.Now somehow a very distant connection to my grandmother's line had my Uncle Dorr dead and on a website when he was still alive..He was not too pleased. We had no clue why a very distant connection..5th cousin at one remove or some such, was putting info on our line online and with all sorts of wrong dates, etc. I do think some people like to say they have so many numbers and are not at all careful nor do they care. I do not have a computer and work on paper..no cd's, electronic files or websites (: I guess you would call me "old school" (: Perhaps people do not know that webtv or the newer version msntv2 (which i now have) are not computers, they aren't. I do not have those capabilities. And ethics is why I started this line of inquiry. Sharon

I have given copies of all my work on this line when he people are deceased to two Historical Societies. The problem is with the living. I am not sure if it is wise, but may ned to check it out. There are mostly voluntees doing the running of many and they change frequently. I will see if any have set aside some sort of special holding vault for this situation. I know nt all have vaults or safes, but ome do. I guess I need to investigate and try and keep it in an area where they resided ..or most of the grandparents, etc did. Thanks to all for suggestions.When i get in a "bad sell' health spell, like now, i tend to worry about this, and rightly so. Sharon

Sharon It is not ethical to give public information on living Ancestors or relatives. I was livid when I found my mother's information (and most of it wrong) on the Internet before she passed away. I had spoke with a cousin and told her some of it but also not to mention it on her website. She not only put it on the website but incorrect. When I contacted her to remove it she refused to do it. Recently she had the gull to contact me for additional family information and I did not respond. This information on the living relatives is what you send to a Historical Society and they also will be careful who obtains it. You direct them to not release any information on the living people without permission. Regards Pat R

Hi A CD gives the info but does not always have the original source. It is better to leave your written info with documentation and source in the event someone needs to document a lineage application. CD's are not accepted. Best bet is the Historical Society. Regards Pat R

Thanks, Charles. It is so nice to hear from someone who actually witnessed the trial and supported Delbert. He seemed like a very simple but decent human being. I heard from Patty and there seems to be no relation between her Ward family and mine. My Ward family came to Chenango County from New Jersey in the early 1800s and then migrated up to Madison County. Some of my Ward family are still in the area but my Ward ancestors moved on to Cayuga and Allegany Counties. The Munnsville area looked very pretty in the documentary. The film is regarded as one of the finest low budget documentaries made in the past couple of decades.

Jeff, Probably Patty has given you all the info on the Wards that you need. We have exchanged information. My family had a summer camp near where the Ward brothers lived and when we and they were kids, we used to meet the Ward boys walking on the roads. We just knew them to say "hello" and that's about it. I remember Roscoe was chewing and spitting tobacco once when we met him and he was just a young boy at the time. They later became LONG "shirt tail relatives" of mine(through marriages). and we attended all the court procedures during Delbert's trial. In fact, my wife is shown leaving the court room in the movie, (one with a bright red sweater.) We also attended his "community rallies" to drum up support for him. Everbody was willing to help him, but not to socialize. At the celebration after his acquittal, there was music and some of the ladies danced with Delbert. No doubt it was the first time anybody in the community ever got that close. Heh ! I have, and probably Patty has, a narrow line of their ancestors back, I think, to the 1700's when they were in Herkimer Co. Chas ----- Original Message ----- From: <JeffJWard@aol.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 6:32 AM Subject: [NYMADISO] Ward--Brother's Keeper >I just watched the very moving documentary "Brother's Keeper" about the > murder trial and acquittal of Delbert Ward. I wonder how people in Madison > County > reacted to it. Was it fair and accurate? Perhaps someone on this list > would > know about the Ward brothers' ancestry. Just knowing the names of their > father > and grandfather would be most helpful. My great-great grandfather was > Wilmoth > Ward (circa 1817-1893). He had a large family and had children spread over > almost 30 years by two or three successive wives. He is listed in the 1880 > census > as a farm laborer. He lived in the Madison, Solsville and Augusta New York > area > all of which are very close to Munsville. So I think there is good reason > to > suspect a family relationship with the Ward brothers. Jeff Ward from sunny > (finally) South Florida. > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search the list archives: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for > the name of the list > >

Hello to all As most of you know, I live in Australia. Sometimes, the pangs of homesickness for America are pretty extreme and I have an experience that I'd like to share, regarding a relationship between that homesickness and the Ward brothers. I know this is a little out of the realm of genealogy, so all I ask is a little patronizing on your parts. About a year after I arrived in Australia, I was going through a pretty hard time of adjustment, as an American. I'm a somewhat spiritual type and took my woes to my Maker. For whatever reason, I woke up at about 1:00am (that night) and turned the television on and there it was, just beginning: "Brother's Keeper". I do have cable tv here, but this was being broadcast on an Australian channel. (If you are interested: A Short History of the ABC: For seventy years the ABC has been a distinctive part of the Australian way of life. Australia's only national, non-commercial broadcaster, the ABC has shared its history and development with the growth of our nation. From its beginnings during the Depression years, the ABC has grown into Australia's largest broadcaster, entertainment and marketing organisation. It has become an important part of Australia's cultural heritage, fostering the arts and reflecting the nation's cultural diversity.) Needless to say, I watched the movie and slept pretty soundly for the rest of the night. Chapter 2: I spent some time at the old homestead at Indian Opening in May of this year. As I was going through things, looking for documents that would help in my mother's genealogy, I was pleased to find a cassette of "Brother's Keeper" tucked away in a drawer that hadn't been opened for a long time... I slept good that night too, I think... I'm sorry I can't help on the genealogy end of this Ward family, but can say that it is highly likely that all of them, if they are in that area of Madison County; Solsville, Madison, Stockbridge, Munnsville, Augusta (Oneida County)... are close relatives. I believe that parts of Stockbridge were taken out of Augusta, and Oneida County, in the 1830s sometime - don't quote me on that. Good luck with your search on the family. John

ABOUT TWENTY YEAR AGO I WAS LOOKING FOR MY GREATGRANDFATHER AND I FOUND ALL THIS INFORMATION ON THIS MAN BUT HE WASN'T THE RIGHT PERSON.I HAD GATHER ALL THIS INFORMATION AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.a FRIEND SAID SENT IT TO THE THE LDS FAMILY HISTORY LIBRARY IN SALT LAKE CITY IN UTAH.I DON'T REMEMBER THE ADDRESS.BUT LOOK ON THE LDS FAMILYSEARCH.ORG OR GO TO THE LOCAL LDS FHC NEAR YOU. I HOPE THIS MAY HELP. WILLIS KENNEWICK WA ----- Original Message ----- From: <PNUTREG@cs.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Living relatives > Have you considered leaving it to the Historical Society. Many people who do > Genealogy and do not have families that are interested will leave it to the > Historical Society in the County that has the most family roots. All > Historical Societies are happy to obtain information and it would be in a location that > will help other family researchers in the future. The Madison County > Historical Society in Oneida might be interested if this relates to a Madison County > Family. > > Just a thought > Pat R > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search the list archives: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for > the name of the list

I think that we have all read the introductions to various genealogical works in which the various authors of a hundred or more years ago have all written something similar, which was "to save the history before it is too late." That was my goal, too, in searching for my family's history. And then I felt pretty discouraged to find out that my own children, even now as adults, are simply not interested in my findings, but genealogy has been my hobby through the years, and I have thoroughly enjoyed it, and we have all had great experiences and of receiving and sharing information. Who can deny that the Internet has opened new opportunities in which to add to our family trees? My folks had their own interests. My mom loved crossword puzzles and bridge, and when she died, out went the cards and her last incomplete crossword puzzle book, and her prized painting of zinnias, in a blue vase with a black background, was to go to a designated nephew, and he didn't even want it, so it now sits in my garage. When my dad died, his great collection of train books was given away. So, if my children decide to chuck my accumulated findings after my death, it won't matter to me, as I won't be working on it anyway. Genealogy has been my hobby and it just isn't the hobby of my children. Doug

Have you considered leaving it to the Historical Society. Many people who do Genealogy and do not have families that are interested will leave it to the Historical Society in the County that has the most family roots. All Historical Societies are happy to obtain information and it would be in a location that will help other family researchers in the future. The Madison County Historical Society in Oneida might be interested if this relates to a Madison County Family. Just a thought Pat R