Hi, I don't know the laws in New York, but in Nevada there must be written notification to the cemetery from a known relative before a body can be exhumed for any reason, and vise versa. When my mother died 3 years ago and my brother and I were at the cemetery arranging the burial plans, my brother suggested we go see the graves of our grandparents. Well, we searched and searched, and my brother was certain we were in the right location, (he is a land surveyor). Too make a long story short, we went back into the cemetery's office and explained to them that we couldn't find or grandparents. Needless to say, there were a lot of "oh, oh looks" and they assured us that if we could come back they would physically take us to the location of their burial. My brother and I went back and looked in the area that my brother was certain that the bodies were and it was only then that we noticed that the wall that once was squared off was now rounded, with freshly dug dirt, no longer any grass, sprinklers out of the ground, and so forth. It was very clear that they had just changed the design of the wall and our grandparents had been buried in the corner where the two walls met. I spoke to the funeral director about this on the day of my mother's burial three days later and he was quietly chuckling on the phone...and said something like "we found them, and when you are here we will show you where they are." After my mother's funeral we went to the office and they gave us a recently made plot map and my brother and myself went to the area on the map that listed their burial. We found them, but the headstones were brand new, (they have been buried for over 15 years), there were no nicks from lawn mowers, no tarnish from weather, nothing, and since they were cremated it would have been easy for the cemetery to have moved the headstones and the urn that was positioned between them. Believe me, the cemetery was sweating what action our family was going to take. My dad didn't seem to care, and since it was his dad, we dropped it, but it just goes to show that anything can happen. It also makes one wonder what they would have done with the headstones and cremated remains if it wasn't for such a twist of fate. Just thought I would share, and good luck on your quest. Debera.

At 08:49 PM 10/11/05 -0400, Carol wrote: >Thank you all for your patience and I hope someone can guide us along. I'm chiming in with Carol - on the patience part - thank you all for your patience as I work on other things but still on New York genealogy, across the sites I administer / build. >Best Always, >Carol >P.S. Thanks, Tim, for letting me post this. I really appreciate it. Carol, no problem - for it ties all in with genealogy, and I'm sure others will benefit by knowing such. Tim

God Bless you Carol for trying to solve this. It sounds like a nightmare for a Mother. Please keep us posted, Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Bain" <cbain44@twcny.rr.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: [NYMADISO] Exhumation > Hi, List: > I have a slightly different question and I hope someone on the list can help. > > Is there a special form or type of paperwork that needs to be done to have a relative exhumed? I'm sure there is, I just don't know what it would be. Is it something that the funeral director would know? > > The problem is kind of a long story, so if everyone doesn't want to read on, maybe they could respond to the above question without hearing "the rest of the story"!! > > I have a cousin who has been blessed with several children; five of them are fine and all grown up, etc., but the two children that seem to have been "misplaced" were born with severe birth defects and didn't live to be very old. I thought Bobby Joe was 2, but the cemetery list has him as 1 year old and his brother Eric was only 4 months old. > > When these children passed away, my cousin and her husband didn't have a cemetery plot and couldn't afford to purchase a large one like they would need. So, they used the "family" plot for a temporary burial site. We have parents, grand, great grand and great great grandparents buried there as well. My cousin and her husband told the cemetery superintendent that it would be temporary and that when they could get a plot of their own, they would have the children exhumed and moved (to another area of Madison County). > > Anyway, my cousin's brother (my older cousin), passed away in June this year and when we were all at the cemetery, she asked the funeral director if there was any trouble (room-wise) finding a place for her brother. The funeral director told her that there was enough room and that the babies had been moved. She thought he meant that they moved them a few inches this way or that way in order to fit her brother in, but he said, "No, they've been moved to ......." (the other place in Madison County). She was so upset. She just lost her only older brother and then to be told that "someone" moved her babies "somewhere" at "sometime". Nobody knows who took them, where exactly they took them or when they were taken! > > This all sounds very unlikely to me. For one thing, doesn't someone have to pay for the exhumation? And, isn't there a government type form that needs to be signed by the parents? > > I really think they are still in the original cemetery because there have been many "turn overs" in management at the cemetery and several of the people who were keeping notes (kind of poorly until recently), have passed away themselves. I think that when the children were buried, the management was told that it was the intention to have them moved (eventually), and when they wrote it down in their book, they simply wrote something like "babies to be moved to ........." and it has been interpretted as having truly been done. > > I have spoken to the superintendent and the caretaker and they both swear that the children were already moved. Now, if my cousin wants to have her children exhumed and she fills out whatever paperwork is necessary according the NYS and then have them moved to "........." and pays someone to go there and remove them and we all have a ceremony in the new cemetery; who will they be bringing if the children aren't there? > > I'm so sorry for dragging this out, I thought I could simplify it but it's just too weird! > > Thank you all for your patience and I hope someone can guide us along. > > Best Always, > Carol > P.S. Thanks, Tim, for letting me post this. I really appreciate it. > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > To post to this list - send email from the address you subsribed to the list with to this address - NYMadiso-L@rootsweb.com > >

Carol - Please email me privately? Pat Jaquay

Hi, List: I have a slightly different question and I hope someone on the list can help. Is there a special form or type of paperwork that needs to be done to have a relative exhumed? I'm sure there is, I just don't know what it would be. Is it something that the funeral director would know? The problem is kind of a long story, so if everyone doesn't want to read on, maybe they could respond to the above question without hearing "the rest of the story"!! I have a cousin who has been blessed with several children; five of them are fine and all grown up, etc., but the two children that seem to have been "misplaced" were born with severe birth defects and didn't live to be very old. I thought Bobby Joe was 2, but the cemetery list has him as 1 year old and his brother Eric was only 4 months old. When these children passed away, my cousin and her husband didn't have a cemetery plot and couldn't afford to purchase a large one like they would need. So, they used the "family" plot for a temporary burial site. We have parents, grand, great grand and great great grandparents buried there as well. My cousin and her husband told the cemetery superintendent that it would be temporary and that when they could get a plot of their own, they would have the children exhumed and moved (to another area of Madison County). Anyway, my cousin's brother (my older cousin), passed away in June this year and when we were all at the cemetery, she asked the funeral director if there was any trouble (room-wise) finding a place for her brother. The funeral director told her that there was enough room and that the babies had been moved. She thought he meant that they moved them a few inches this way or that way in order to fit her brother in, but he said, "No, they've been moved to ......." (the other place in Madison County). She was so upset. She just lost her only older brother and then to be told that "someone" moved her babies "somewhere" at "sometime". Nobody knows who took them, where exactly they took them or when they were taken! This all sounds very unlikely to me. For one thing, doesn't someone have to pay for the exhumation? And, isn't there a government type form that needs to be signed by the parents? I really think they are still in the original cemetery because there have been many "turn overs" in management at the cemetery and several of the people who were keeping notes (kind of poorly until recently), have passed away themselves. I think that when the children were buried, the management was told that it was the intention to have them moved (eventually), and when they wrote it down in their book, they simply wrote something like "babies to be moved to ........." and it has been interpretted as having truly been done. I have spoken to the superintendent and the caretaker and they both swear that the children were already moved. Now, if my cousin wants to have her children exhumed and she fills out whatever paperwork is necessary according the NYS and then have them moved to "........." and pays someone to go there and remove them and we all have a ceremony in the new cemetery; who will they be bringing if the children aren't there? I'm so sorry for dragging this out, I thought I could simplify it but it's just too weird! Thank you all for your patience and I hope someone can guide us along. Best Always, Carol P.S. Thanks, Tim, for letting me post this. I really appreciate it.

Hello to all Been busier than a long tailed cat in a room full of rockers around here, lately. Most of my free time is taken up with trying to answer letters regarding families, cooking, and being the good househusband... As some of you know, I'm spending a lot of energy on producing an album (or two) of music I've written over the last 20 some odd years. All I really have to offer is that I've updated my site a little bit with quite a lengthy "thesis" on the early Burton family, courtesy of Dwayne Burton, who is "of the midwest somewhere"... There are a couple of other new links in the mix, one of which could be beneficial to most anyone studying Madison County - you'll see it if you go looking. I invite you to visit by clicking on the link at the bottom of this. Hopefully I can have something worthwhile to share with you all in the coming months. I did finally receive the DeRuyter Grips work after 10 months of waiting, but I think someone may already have that online. I may put! that up over the next month or so, anyway - if I am wrong, and it isn't online, please let me know. I hope this finds you all well, in good spirits, and wealthy with firewood... Summer's on it's way here - ha! John My FreePages are located at: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~ameralia/

Dear John: I have ancestors who were in Madison County in late 1790 to 1867. My Spencers' were Rodman Spencer and his wife Abigail. They had 8 children of which are William, Jacob, John,Joseph,Susannah, Sally and Elizabeth and one other child of whose name I can't think of right now. But what I am interested in is John D. Spencer who married a Polly Ann (I believe Burton). They too had several chidren but their son Perry married Adelia Smith of Oswego County and they then lived in Eaton. But what makes me think that Polly Ann's maiden name is that Perry and Adelia had a set of twins who were Emory Burton Spencer and Emily Burton Spencer. Do you have any Spencers in your family of Burtons or should I say do you have a Polly Ann Burton. I think that the middle name was given them because of their grandmother Polly Ann. Any help here is greatly appreciated Jean Payton ----- Original Message ----- From: "JCB" <genes@dodo.com.au> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:31 AM Subject: [NYMADISO] Greetings > Hello to all > > Been busier than a long tailed cat in a room full of rockers around here, > lately. Most of my free time is taken up with trying to answer letters > regarding families, cooking, and being the good househusband... As some > of you know, I'm spending a lot of energy on producing an album (or two) > of music I've written over the last 20 some odd years. All I really have > to offer is that I've updated my site a little bit with quite a lengthy > "thesis" on the early Burton family, courtesy of Dwayne Burton, who is "of > the midwest somewhere"... There are a couple of other new links in the > mix, one of which could be beneficial to most anyone studying Madison > County - you'll see it if you go looking. I invite you to visit by > clicking on the link at the bottom of this. Hopefully I can have > something worthwhile to share with you all in the coming months. I did > finally receive the DeRuyter Grips work after 10 months of waiting, but I > think someone may already have that online. I may put! > that up over the next month or so, anyway - if I am wrong, and it isn't > online, please let me know. > > I hope this finds you all well, in good spirits, and wealthy with > firewood... Summer's on it's way here - ha! > John > > > My FreePages are located at: > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~ameralia/ > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search the list archives: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl - put NYMADISO for > the name of the list > >

Hi Doris, Thank you for this information. I will check it out--wish I could connect our Stone family to the ones in Merrillsville, since there seems to be info available about them. But no connection so far that I know of. One thing I'm happy to see is the definite connection between John & Elizabeth in Lebanon. I was 99% sure they were husband & wife, but this is additional info. I'll check the rest of the info against what I have in my database. Thanks again for taking the time to send it to me. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <PERKINSTURF@cs.com> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: [NYMADISO] Re:stone family. > hi, and good day > i have a book called Pioneers of Madison county, and the stone family is > in > it, not sure if its yours, but a few things point to them > nothing on Thomas or Abigail, but other stones are > 1)Samuel, lived in Nelson 1814 > 2)Samuel, died june 9,1847 age 47m vyrued at Merrillsville, n.y. > > no thomas J. > > Issac Stone. methodist minister, at Stockbridge, 1829-1830. was a circuit > rider > no Millen stone found > > John Stone, there are 2 > 1)John, Veteran of Rev. War. served in the Mass. line, pesioned in 1832, > born > in 1753, died 11/1840 , age 87, settled in Lebanon, 1795, Wife Elizabeth > died > 3/1/1841, age 85, buried in South Lebanon, n.y. > 2) john H. died june 18,1875 age 75 buied at Cazenovia, n.y. > > > > Benjamine Stone, vet. Rev. War. served in the N.Y. Line. Lenox juror > 1813, > died in Cazenovia, july 5,1839, age 76 > > stone, Sampson , spelled Samson, > 1) samson, Sr. settled in Madison prior to 1795, died jan 2,1849, age 86, > buried at Erieville, n.y. > 2) Samson Jr. died 2/9/1862, age 63, buried in Erieville, son, Hiram, > born > in 1/830 > > other Stones listed are; > A.C., A, Anson, Arum, Asahel, David-Vet. War. of 1812, lieut, 1817 in > Bicknell's Battallion, died june 5,1863. age 76. buried at Erieville. > Elijah Stone, Erasmus, Frederick, George, lawyer1836, died at Homer, n.y. > 1840 > Henry stone, Ira stone, Joseph stone, Lydia Stone, Lyman C. stone, Malinda > Stone, Moses stone, Nancy stone, oliver stone, Polly stone, Seth stone, > Sewel, > stone, Teresa E. stone, William stone, , and last one is another William > > no name of Wetherly found; > hope this helps in someway, have a nice day, doris > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe from this list - send email to - > nymadiso-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word - unsubscribe in the > body of the email. If you are subscribed in Digest mode use the same > address but change the -L- to -D-. >

I have the Soldiers and Citizens book for another week and can do lookups. This book features military prominence, along with family history. To see the index of names, feel free to go to http://darcisplace.com/darci/soldiers.htm Any lookups requested, please just put name, page number in subject line and I'll get to it promptly. Darci

The Guilford Historical Society in Chenango County has received through an antique store owner geneological items from the LEONE family of Madison,NY, including scrapbooks, photo albums, cards, funeral book of Frank LEONE, address book, etc. Is anyone, preferably family, interested in these items? Tina Pabst stonecroft@citlink.net 607-895-6131

Thank you so very much Pat. You have been a great help. I believe I descend from Oliver Kenyon through his daughter Prudence, born October 1801, married John Barber of Carlisle, Schoharie County, New York, removed to Illinois in 1838 and died in Iowa in 1886. Our family knows that Oliver Kenyon married Sarah Sweet on November 24, 1773 in South Kingston, Rhode Island. But we are not absolutely certain that she was the mother of Prudence born 28 years after the marriage. Do you have any information about Oliver Kenyon's wife? And do you know anything about Prudence? And I am, of course, very curious about what your relationship is to Oliver Kenyon. Or are you extremely knowledgable? Jeff Ward in Florida.

Jeff According to his pension papers he was Born June 1 1754 in Richmond RI. He was the son of Thomas kenyon B 1/26/1768 and his wife Catherine Ney. Thomas Kenyon Sr was made a Freeman in 1733 and listed as JP in Richmond from 1750 to 1752, 1755 to 1762 1770 to 1771. Thomas SR is in military census of 1777 resident of Richmond. His will was proved in 1778. It states his wife and all their living children, a granddaughter,Martha, daughter of their youngest child, Catherine. He is named in the estate of his deceased mother, Elizabeth Kenyon, in Richmond. He and his wife are buried near the "Captain Thomas Kenyon Deacon David Kenyon Farm." Their are 3 Thomas Kenyon Farms in what is called the Shannock Purchae. However the home of Thomas Sr. and Catherine is no longer there. He served a Total of 17 months (various dates from 11/76 until 1781) in the Rev. War under Capt. Simeon Clarke, Capt, Richard Baily under Colonels Robert Brown, Colonel ? Reynolds, Col. Charles Dyer and Col. Thomas Potter. Oliver lived in Richmond until 1802 moving to Carliale Shcoharie County and in 1827 he moved to Brookfield, Madison County, New York. His pension was $56.66 per Annum and was effective 3/4/1831. I would say that it is more likely he is among the SDB Kenyons rather than a Quaker and many settled in the Madison County Area. Regards Pat R

I am looking for any information on Oliver Kenyon. According to Tuttle, he was born in 1753. Served in the Rhode Island Militia. Pensioned in 1832. I have not been able to fnd any pension information for him on Heritage Quest. Looking at another Tuttle listing, it mentions Nathaniel Keller, died September 30, 1853 age 96. Buried west of Fenner's Corner. On Rev. War Veteran Census Roll in 1840. I did not find Mr. Keller listed on the transcribed 1840 Veteran Census that is available on line. My primary interest is in Oliver Kenyon. I do not have access to the 1830, 1840 or 1850 census. Can anyone tell anything of interest about Oliver Kenyon? Was he, like most of the other Madison County Kenyons, a Quaker? Jeff Ward

Roger, in the >>> 1835 <<< NY pension roll, pg 340: Name: Gideon Simmons Rank: Pri. lieut. & captain Annual allowance: 206 66 Sums received: - Description of service: R. Island militia When placed on pension roll: Jan 16,1833 Commencement of pension: do Age: 87 From the DAR Patriot Index: SIMMONS, Gideon: b 12-14-1744 RI d 8-25-1840 NY m (1) Patience Ellis (2) Mrs Ruth (Stoddard) Sawyer Capt RI PNSR He is in DAR lineage book 62, pg 109, and the Index to Rev War Svc Records pg 2474 and a full paragraph in the Index to Rev War Pensions. His pension number is S23917. If you'd like copies of these, send a snail mail address. All I ask is reimbursement for copying and postage...approx. one dollar. Marty Irons k2mi@frontiernet.net All e-mail scanned by Norton 2005 anti-virus, updated online daily. May all your ancestors YELL at you, telling you how and where to find them. PS: great great grandfather John F IRONS.... b. 1811 "somewhere"....possibly Otsego County NY.... m. 1834 Hartwick, Otsego, NY d. 1854 Cazenovia, Madison, NY.... please stand up on that brick wall and yell out the names I've sought for 11 years....LOUDER! Who were your parents? Were they from RI? Where were you born? Was it Otsego County NY? Did you have a brother named Orlando? Who were your other siblings?

Thanks, Marty. I found the pension record and am sending it to Roger.

Roger, I don't have access to the 1832 NY pension roll, but there is a Gideon Simmons in the index of 1835 NY pension roll. I'll have access to the pension roll this afternoon, and will get back to you with what I find tonight or tomorrow. Marty Irons k2mi@frontiernet.net All e-mail scanned by Norton 2005 anti-virus, updated online daily. May all your ancestors YELL at you, telling you how and where to find them. PS: great great grandfather John F IRONS.... b. 1811 "somewhere"....possibly Otsego County NY.... m. 1834 Hartwick, Otsego, NY d. 1854 Cazenovia, Madison, NY.... please stand up on that brick wall and yell out the names I've sought for 11 years....LOUDER! Who were your parents? Were they from RI? Where were you born? Was it Otsego County NY? Did you have a brother named Orlando? Who were your other siblings?

Does anyone know if the the 1832 pension roll is on line or if someone can do a lookup for me for a Capt Gideon Simmons with wife Anna from this pension roll. Thanks Roger Barber

At 08:49 PM 10/4/05 EDT, you wrote: >Hi Tim > >I am looking for any information on the following people in Madison County >NY. Could you tell me if there any information in the 10,000 vital records of >central NY 1815-1850 by Bowman > >2nd Wife of Gideon Simmons: > >. +Ruth Stoddard, m: 9 Apr 1797 in Little Compton RI Father: Benjamin >Stoddard Mother: Phoebe Brownell > >**(Gideon and Ruth are buried in the Madison Center cemetery.) > >Looking to verify that Brownell is the son of Gideon and Ruth Simmons >....... 2  Brownell S Simmons b: 20 Aug 1798 in Madison Co. NY d: 10 Sep 1888 >in Nelson Twp Kent, MI > >.......... +Anna Tripp b: 1800, death certificate says born in RI m: 18 Nov >1817 in Madison, Madison, NY d: 16 Sep 1888 in Grand Rapids, Kent, MI Father: >Richard Tripp Mother: Hannah (Tripp) ( ? ) > >................ 3  Ruth S. Simmons b: 15 Sep 1818 in Madison Co NY >Ruth may have died young or married, this is all I have >................ 3  Hannah A. Simmons b: 18 Sep 1822 in Madison Co NY d: 28 >Mar 1896 in Cedar Springs, Kent, MI >looking to verify this marriage to >................... +William H Tompkins b: 23 Jun 1820 m: 16 Feb 1844 in >Hamilton, Madison, NY d: 12 Jul 1876 > >Looking to verify these birth and death dates >................ 3  Benjamin F. Simmons b: 17 Dec 1824 in Madison Co NY d: 20 >Feb 1826 >................ 3  Benjamin E Simmons b: 10 Jun 1827 in Madison Co NY d: 28 >Oct 1827 > >Thanks you > >Roger Barber Roger and all, If you need a lookup from the Tuttle book you need to visit - http://www.rootsweb.com/~nymadiso/lookups.htm - and write the gentleman listed there. I don't have the book so I am unable to do lookups in it. Tim

Well now Shirley- If we could only figure out those GERHARDT'S - Glad to see you got this connection ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Becker" <skncr@cox.net> To: <NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: [NYMADISO] Re: NYMADISO-D Digest V05 #170 > Yep that is my gggrandfather and grandmother. The Roseltha ( actually > Emily Roseltha) that you list married to James H Miller are my > ggrandfather and mother. I have the Piersall line and am trying to > get the Beebes. Eliza is my gggreat aunt so welcome cousin. > Shirley > > > From: Barbara <barb@hvc.rr.com> > Date: October 3, 2005 6:33:16 PM PDT > To: NYMADISO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Beebe > > > Hi Shirley, > > Joan and I have discussed our Beebes a few times but haven't quite > connected them to each other. However, I also have a BEEBE ancestor > who married into the PIERSALL/PEARSALL line and can tell you about > that line. Does this information sound like yours? > > John Piersall (son of Samuel Piersall) > b. > m. Emily _____(name not listed in book) > 10 children: > -Samuel > -Edward > -David > -George > -Roseltha -m. James Miller > -Elizabeth > -Ellen > -Anna > -Lavinia > -Jane > > The Piersall/Pearsall line is a long one and if the above Roseltha is > indeed your Emily Roseltha Piersall, then you can track your Piersall > line WAAAAAYYYYY back. Let me know if this information sounds like > what you are looking for. I have a thick three volume set on the > Piersall/Pearsall line. > > If this is your family then your ggggrandmother would be my gggg aunt > (if I have enough greats). John Piersall was the brother to my > ancestor, Eliza Piersall (b 1829) who married David Beebe (b 1819). > > Hope this helps! > Barb > > > > > > > ==== NYMADISO Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe from this list - send email to - > nymadiso-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word - unsubscribe in the body of the email. If you are subscribed in Digest mode use the same address but change the -L- to -D-. > >

looking for any info on the Hallett family in Madison Cty, from abt 1822 til 1858 any and all, very small family thanks derek