Can't figure out why anyone would be angry over another's, sometimes futile efforts, to help. I have be the fortunate recipient of many acts of kindness. Though not all have provided the information I had hoped for, still I am grateful for all the help I can get. Sometimes a negative answer is still usefull. Laurence Lance Still in Seattle **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Why in the world would you be angry at someone who obviously spent a great deal of time trying to help you. Clearly he didn't know what information you already have. He went out of his way to an extraordinary degree in an effort to fill in the gaps and give you some new leads to explore. You owe him a big thank you. Tink At 03:35 AM 3/7/2008, you wrote: >Hello All > >Well... since I really can't say as though I know what I'm doing, I have to >say that this is an email that deserves some attention. I found it in one >of Tim's bottom drawers, way in the back, under some really smelly socks... > >Without further adieu... > >Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:20 PM >Subject: My research for Henry Köpke > > > >A short time ago, I wrote to the Oneida Library for further > > information to Mr. Murray with whom I had had correspondence with > > when he told me there was no record of Henry Köpke in Oneida > > directories. I wrote back and said that according to Ancestry there > > was indeed a record and noted their source. He later wrote back that > > they had found the record and that it had been misfiled under other > > records and thanked me for bringing the information to his attention. > > > > > > Recently, I wrote him again asking if the library could be of any > > additional help in my search with any other records they might have. > > > > > > Today, I received a note from another person by the name of Klein that > > shouldn't have, but did upset me terribly. Perhaps I am unjust, but I > > was upset. His first sentence said that his forte was tracing down > > information held within many vintage federal records. > > > > He then quoted me all the information that I already know such as the > > 1917 draft registration record of which I have a copy, and that the > > record stated that he was born in Albany. He further opined that I > > should check with Albany. He also included a copy of the passenger > > list of a man of the same name who came in on the Werra. My > > grandfather came in on the Ems. He further included census records for > > 1920 and 193o and told me Dad live in Manchester in the 1942. I > > know, I lived there too. HE ended up with that he hoped his > > information opened up new avenues to me, and if I had any questions to > > not to hesitate to contact him. > > > > Am I overreacting to be angry? > > > > Dorothea > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to [email protected] with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 3/7/2008 6:36:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Am I overreacting to be angry? Yes, bigtime! He did a lot of work for you. If you had told him what you already had and where you got it, he wouldn't have had to use his time looking for the same information. You seem to be distressed because he did not find any new information for you; he didn't because the library doesn't have any. Jayne [email protected] **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

I think you need to see what records are available for the area your ancestors were at. Also you could check with the church headquarters. In Cortland co., NY where the village of Scott was settled by SDB, the church records are at the Cortland County Historical Society. There was a lot of interaction between this group and the Madison Co. SDB. Many Madison Co. SDB members are mentioned in those records. It is a good idea to check the Scott records as you just may find mention of the madison Co. people. I have not found any centralization of all the records so it is searching here and there. I believe there was a failed SDB settlement in Niles, Cayuga Co., NY area. I had a Hall line that was there and on the surrounding lots are many SDB names and it appears they settled the area at the same time which was a commiojn SDB practise. They would send out several families to settle a new area. It is said they crossed the continent this way in a few short years. An ancestor, Benajah Hall (Jr.) I have seen mentioned (when in the Albany area after leaving Washington Co., RI) as a minister of that church. But later the family "left" the SDB and no record in Cayuga Co. or anywhere I can find mentions this failed settlement. SDB church's present records seem not to have many older lists of ministers, members, etc. The Scott, NY settlement records mentions the people in Niles and how they rescued them from starvation by crossing a frozen Skaneatlas Lake up and down some of the steepest inclines I have ever seen (even today) a track/road and through very deep snow and drifts for miles to the rescue. It is an amazing story. At least this one church's entire records have been saved and are available. I do not know what others may be. So it can be frustrating trying to find info but the SDB list does have people that are helpful. Just do not forget to check other SDB churches in the vicinity where your ancestors settled. Sharon

Robin Again it might be helpful to name your Ancestor. I do have some information on various SDB Ministers as I had many within my family. Pat R

Hi Robin Not in NE but in New York State in 1836 the Seventh Day Baptist started Alfred University which was once associated with the Seventh Day Baptist Church for the purpose of educating their clergy and included a school of theology. However the SDB religious connection no longer exists but some of the buildings reflect this early purpose. Many of my Seventh Day Baptist attended this school. Do you have a specific person that you are tracing that might of attended this school? Not all early clergy attended a theology school. If you give a name perhaps I have something on that particular person. Regards Pat R

Would anyone happen to know what Seminary taught SDB ministers in New England? Thanks, Robin

Tim Safe journeys and all that.....see you when we see you....We'll keep those 'banners' flying and I don't know what the heck they are all about but I'm sure John or some other smart person will enlighten us old-timers as to what the heck you were trying to tell us. Anyway....keep safe and well....until you are back with us. Dorothy **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Sharon: you mentioned checking SDB records... are there records online somewhere? or did you mean checking with individual churches? My great grand father was a SDB minister and I am having no luck on the net. Any pointers appreciated. THANKS, Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Garrett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Buttons of Madison Co. and Otsego Co., NY > When it was quoted John Button was from Westerly Co., NY, I believe that > must be Westerly, RI. > First as there is no Westerly Co. in NY and second as they settled in a > Seventh Day Baptist community in Madison Co. it is likely they were from > RI. The SDB church was out of Westerly, RI and surrounds. > You might want to check the SDB rootsweb email list and also SDB records > for more on this family. > Sharon > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tim: Thanks for the church photos. My great grandfather was a minister in that church in 1910, for what duration though, I still do not know. I have photos of him at the pulpit and at the parsonage in DeRuyter. I have been all over the internet trying to find out more information about his ministry in DeRuyter with no luck as yet. He transferred to the Boulder SDB in 1920 and then to Berlin SDB in 1930 where he and my great grandmother lived out their last years. If anyone can tell me how to acquire records on SDB ministers I would be ever so greatful. The official SDB website claims they are unable to help genealogists. Well thanks again Tim for that article... I am glad to read the church will be restored. It is beautiful. And so was the parsonage back in the day. Robin surnames: Wing, Witter, Santee, Shawl, Spooner, Soule, Hussey, Gifford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] computer question??? / SDB cemetery > At 01:26 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: >>Slogging through the snow in DeRuyter's SDB cemetery reminded me to >>ask this question: Dpes anyone know if there is a master list >>online of the burials in that cemetery? >> >>The names we search for in DeRuyter are Bailey, Rowe, Sutton, Tripp, >>Deo, Frazier, Albro. >> >>Mike and Lois > > Not really answering your question, but there is an article regarding > the church here: > > http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2007/08/madison_centerpiece_aug_16_200.html > > However, looking back at some old email I found a note that I had > gotten info from a DAR listing of the cemetery. Now to find > that! However, that needs to wait until I get back. > > Tim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

here they are also call the Greasey Spoon- noting in this name that would make one want to eat- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] restaurant name > >> Well I for one like the name- Squat and Gobble - now this really makes a >> person want to stop and have a bite to eat- (and they say we are weird in >> the South ) LOL- > > We, my wife and I, often call any 'all you can eat' place - squat and > gobble. > > ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- >>From nearly gone, > Tim Stowell > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Since this is a major change, I'm posting this as my one for or before the road messages. The following information came my way last night. TGN/RW ("RootsWeb") has implemented a policy change in which banners are to be placed on all TGN/RW hosted websites. RootsWeb intends to begin the placement of the banners beginning on or about March 15, 2008. The banners are viewable here: http://www.usgenweb.com/images/rootswebbanner/default1.jpg [default one] http://www.usgenweb.com/images/rootswebbanner/default2.jpg [default two] http://www.usgenweb.com/images/rootswebbanner/default3.jpg [default three] If I so choose something like this can be placed on the sites I maintain, else one of the 3 above will appear or perhaps some other alternative. http://www.usgenweb.com/images/rootswebbanner/custom.jpg [custom to USGenWeb Project] This banner will appear at the top of each and every page on the site(s). And away we go! Tim

At 01:26 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: >Slogging through the snow in DeRuyter's SDB cemetery reminded me to >ask this question: Dpes anyone know if there is a master list >online of the burials in that cemetery? > >The names we search for in DeRuyter are Bailey, Rowe, Sutton, Tripp, >Deo, Frazier, Albro. > >Mike and Lois Not really answering your question, but there is an article regarding the church here: http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2007/08/madison_centerpiece_aug_16_200.html However, looking back at some old email I found a note that I had gotten info from a DAR listing of the cemetery. Now to find that! However, that needs to wait until I get back. Tim

Tim This place sure brings back memories. Many years ago in the late 70's (and early 80's) it was a popular eating spot when one was on their way from Syracuse to Vernon Downs for the evening. Our Business Group ate at the "Squat & Gobble" many times and their Hot Turkey Sandwiches or Turkey dinners were A+ along with the rest of their menu. Even the name tells you the specialty of the restaurant so that was usually the choice of most in our group. Prices were reasonable and at that time their service was excellent. Besides with that good service one could always "Gobble" their dinner and make it to the "Downs" for the opening race and "Win" or "Lose" their money. Seems like "Lose" sticks out in my mind. Cheers Pat R

Tim, Your were right, my "dat and tif" problem is associated with my digital camera. All of those files are connected to pictures I took off the camera. So where does that leave me? That restaurant name seemed especially appropriate when we went there for Thanksgiving dinner. Chas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] restaurant name > >> Well I for one like the name- Squat and Gobble - now this really makes a >> person want to stop and have a bite to eat- (and they say we are weird in >> the South ) LOL- > > We, my wife and I, often call any 'all you can eat' place - squat and > gobble. > > ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- >>From nearly gone, > Tim Stowell > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1308 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 > 10:01 AM > >

> Well I for one like the name- Squat and Gobble - now this really makes a > person want to stop and have a bite to eat- (and they say we are weird in > the South ) LOL- We, my wife and I, often call any 'all you can eat' place - squat and gobble. ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- >From nearly gone, Tim Stowell [email protected]

Well I for one like the name- Squat and Gobble - now this really makes a person want to stop and have a bite to eat- (and they say we are weird in the South ) LOL- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Page" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Away for awhile > The Squat and Gobble restaurant did burn down, but has since been replaced > by a new building called the Shady Grill. The Shady Grill was the name of > it > before the new owner changed its name.to S. & G. The old Shady Grill was a > favorite place for the kids to go after prom nights, and graduations. Kids > playing "grown-up".Getting plastered, etc. I don't think there was any age > limit on drinking, back then. And the drivers had some accidents, too. (A > carload of teen agers, etc) Chas > So, now it has returned to being the Shady Grill.

When it was quoted John Button was from Westerly Co., NY, I believe that must be Westerly, RI. First as there is no Westerly Co. in NY and second as they settled in a Seventh Day Baptist community in Madison Co. it is likely they were from RI. The SDB church was out of Westerly, RI and surrounds. You might want to check the SDB rootsweb email list and also SDB records for more on this family. Sharon

I ran into (figuratively) David Sadler at Walmart. There was a long article in the Oneida Dispatch about him. Apparently he is now the historian for the Village of Canastota, Town of Lenox, and Town of Stockbridge. Canastota Chamber of Commerce is honoring him with the Distinguished Sercice Award for Humanitarianism at their awards dinner coming up. He managed to push through building of memorials for several fireman heros, as well as doing work on the history stuff. He gace me his email address [email protected] Chas

In a message dated 3/4/2008 12:54:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: When it was quoted John Button was from Westerly Co., NY, I believe that must be Westerly, RI. First as there is no Westerly Co. in NY and second as they settled in a Seventh Day Baptist community in Madison Co. it is likely they were from RI. The SDB church was out of Westerly, RI and surrounds. You might want to check the SDB rootsweb email list and also SDB records for more on this family Yes, NY was an error, should have been RI. I probably made the error because I was typing so many names, dates and places. I wrote to the man who was in charge of the SDB place in Wisconsin--I think it was in Janesville--years ago. He said there was no information on my BUTTONs. He gave info for only one BUTTON who was not my BUTTON. Thanks for your suggestion. Jayne [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)