You are absolutely right! What an understatement! Donna B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "PMcSwain" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Rebeccah Woodman Cemetery > gives new meaning to the inscription on head stones that reads- Gone but not > Forgotten- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dorothy baker" <[email protected]> > To: "Charles Page" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Rebeccah Woodman Cemetery > > > > Charles: > > > > The condition of the Rebeccah Woodman Cemetery is pathetic, but I have > > seen some deplorable cemeteries in New York State. Have to be fair tho as > > I've seen some pretty bad ones in other states as well. There should be a > > law about desecrating a cemetery to take the tombstones to an "amusement" > > area where they charge admission, even if it is a "historical" site, > > supposedly. You know what I mean. Words fail me. > > > > How about writing up something to the Editor of the local papers > > regarding this situation. Probably would not do a bit of good, but would > > give you an opportunity to vent. > > > > Dorothy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, I am looking for relatives of my grandma May A. Payne daughter of Truman Payne and Olive Damen ( Damon) Payne of W. Eaton. May married my grandfather Will L. Beebe of Brookfield/Earville on December 18th, 1890 his parents were Hiram J. Beebe and Ellen Amelia Hills of Brookfield. I am hoping to find a marriage announcement or engagement announcement regarding their marriage. Even a obituary about the two of them even though they had moved to Candor, NY where I am from in May of 1899. They lived there till their deaths May, on February 10th, 1922 and Will, June 17, 1934 both are buried in Candor. I am also hoping to find obits for Truman Payne who died in 1875 when May was about 5 years of age. Her mother is supposed to have married a Delose Sweet perhaps a late as 10-12 years after the death of her first husband Truman but I can't find much to support it. Would like to find an obit printed in the Brookfield Courier in January 1906 for Hiram J. Beebe of Candor, he died in Candor but is buried for some reason in Brookfield grave un marked in the same cemetery as James and Chloe Clarke Hills his in-laws. His wife Ellen is buried in Candor. I wouldn't mind finding a copy of the marriage announcement for Hiram and Ellen who married about 1868/69 in Brookfield. I also have one more favor to ask. Would some one please check to see what they can find on a Cyrus Beebe and his wife Rhody Chesebro. I need to have proof that Zadock Beebe II is the father of Cyrus who is my 6th great grandfather. I am pretty sure Cyrus is buried in the same Beebe cemetery as my other Beebe relatives. Hope someone can help me out. Thanks Joan

Since Feb 7, 2008 Will Testators Index MA - Worcester - Vol. 457, 548, 551-555,823 (1878-1880, 1899-1900, 1915) NY - Westchester - Vol. G-I (1808-1819) http://www.sampubco.com/wills/ Surrogate's Records (Testator, Inestate, Insane, Spendthrift, Guardianship, commitments, etc) WI - Chippewa - Files 436-748 (1885-1891) (17 Apr 2008) WI - Jackson - Files 1-42 (1877-1930) (11 Mar 2008) WI - Vernon - Files 1-52 (1857-1894) (11 Mar 2008) MI - Ontonagon - 1-54 (1853-1861) (11 Mar 2008) WI - Chippewa Files 262-435 (1880-1885) (7 Mar 2008) MI - Iron Files 1-196 (1886-1900) (7 Mar 2008) completed WI - Chippewa Files 1-261 (1857-1880) (25 Feb 2008) NY - Madison "Estates" 716-830 (1834-1837) (25 Feb 2008) NY - Madison "Estates" 625-715 (1832-1834) (8 Feb 2008) http://www.sampubco.com/sr/ W. David Samuelsen SAMPUBCO

Charles, What is the timeframe for the stories? Thanks for your reply. Sherry in IL NY: SHEPHERD, MASON, LORD, DUNBAR, TALLET -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Page Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NYMADISO] Book published Hi, Listers, This is not the usual, or appropriate type of message for this list, but since I am not making any money on it, here it is. The "Family Stories from Madison County" you have read on my web site have been published in book form and the book is being offered for sale by Madison County Historical Society as a fund raiser. If you are interested in buying a copy, please contact me OFF List and I will send you a copy of the advertising flyer with all details. Or you can contact the Society directly.Their email is [email protected] chas ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Tim Sitting here chuckling... Um... I'm sorry... I can't help you... Peace John

Way back last summer, I guess it was, I made mention of going back to school for one class after many years away from the books. That class is nearing its end in about 6 weeks and while I'm probably sitting on an 85 plus average it has been somewhat useful in my new life. Since last August I've been studying Mandarin Chinese - symbols and Pinyan (which is the phonetic way of spelling the character sounds of simplified Chinese. I've found it rather easy to learn the symbols and convert such to Pinyan and from there to English. From English to Pinyan though is a bit more difficult. In the course of this study I learned that not only is genealogy from the Scandinavian countries a bear, so too can the Chinese. There is of course father and mother but after that even with siblings it becomes a bear. There are words for older sister, older brother, younger sister and younger brother. Words that a Chinese person would know exactly which relative you are speaking of as each has its own particular word. In English we are not that imaginative. We have parents, siblings (brother or sister), cousins, grandparents, aunts and uncles. In Chinese there are at least 18 words for relatives on the father's side plus another 18 words on the mother's side! My new daughter gets a kick out of my pronouncing Chinese words, corrects it and rewrites symbols that don't meet her approval. The Chinese I do have has helped when pictures, pointing or English don't quite get the point across. As my daughter starts her 3rd week of school we wonder where our conversation will go next as she is also taking Spanish, which will be her 4th language after 2 dialects of Chinese and English. Soon I hope to be back in the swing of things as we go through this major reorganization of our lives. Tim

gives new meaning to the inscription on head stones that reads- Gone but not Forgotten- ----- Original Message ----- From: "dorothy baker" <[email protected]> To: "Charles Page" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Rebeccah Woodman Cemetery > Charles: > > The condition of the Rebeccah Woodman Cemetery is pathetic, but I have > seen some deplorable cemeteries in New York State. Have to be fair tho as > I've seen some pretty bad ones in other states as well. There should be a > law about desecrating a cemetery to take the tombstones to an "amusement" > area where they charge admission, even if it is a "historical" site, > supposedly. You know what I mean. Words fail me. > > How about writing up something to the Editor of the local papers > regarding this situation. Probably would not do a bit of good, but would > give you an opportunity to vent. > > Dorothy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi,Listers, I visited the cemetery from which the stones were removed to place in Americana Village. I think it is a disgrace that the site where about 40 bodies lie is so overgrown and neglected, while at same time the stones enhance the Village's money making ability during their events for which they charge an entrance fee. It seems to me when the stones were removed it should have been part of the deal that the old site be maintained. I had to crawl through bushes and downed trees to get into it. Not easy! The old woven wire fence that surrounds it is rusty and half broken down.

Charles: The condition of the Rebeccah Woodman Cemetery is pathetic, but I have seen some deplorable cemeteries in New York State. Have to be fair tho as I've seen some pretty bad ones in other states as well. There should be a law about desecrating a cemetery to take the tombstones to an "amusement" area where they charge admission, even if it is a "historical" site, supposedly. You know what I mean. Words fail me. How about writing up something to the Editor of the local papers regarding this situation. Probably would not do a bit of good, but would give you an opportunity to vent. Dorothy

The Free newspaper database website at www.fultonhistory.com is growing leaps and bounds! There are over six million scanned, digitized and search able newspaper pages from all over New York State, ranging in years from about 1820 to modern times. This excellent free newspaper website recently received accolades in an article in the Syracuse Post-Standard newspaper. The link to the news story is on the Upstate New York Genealogy Blog at http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/ As a side note, the fultonhistory site is now extremely busy and please have patience, or try it at off hours for a while. Dick Hillenbrand www.unyg.com

FYI, in case you haven't heard of it already. I just learned about this site from the list for Franklin Co., PA. AfriGeneas is a site devoted to African American genealogy, to researching African Ancestry in the Americas in particular and to genealogical research and resources in general. It is also an African Ancestry research community featuring the AfriGeneas mail list, the AfriGeneas message boards and daily and weekly genealogy chats. http://www.afrigeneas.com/. It's supported by the librarian at the Mississippi State University. Tink

Before I leave this mail list I would like to thank everyone for their help with my research on William Clapp, cigar maker extraordinaire. The Historical Society sent me a packet yesterday and it had his marriage notice and his death notice. William and his wife, Kittie did not have any children so the line ends in Oneida. Good luck with all your searches. Lynn Eivers

Chas Congratulations! I'll be coming to my beloved Madison Co. next week and will try to get to MCHS and check it out. You are the best! Donna B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Page" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: [NYMADISO] Book published > Hi, Listers, > This is not the usual, or appropriate type of message for this list, but since I am not making any money on it, here it is. > The "Family Stories from Madison County" you have read on my web site have been published in book form and the book is being offered for sale by Madison County Historical Society as a fund raiser. > If you are interested in buying a copy, please contact me OFF List and I will send you a copy of the advertising flyer with all details. Or you can contact the Society directly.Their email is [email protected] > chas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Charles, I would be interested. Could you send the flyer. thanks On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Charles Page <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Listers, > This is not the usual, or appropriate type of message for this list, but > since I am not making any money on it, here it is. > The "Family Stories from Madison County" you have read on my web site > have been published in book form and the book is being offered for sale by > Madison County Historical Society as a fund raiser. > If you are interested in buying a copy, please contact me OFF List and > I will send you a copy of the advertising flyer with all details. Or you can > contact the Society directly.Their email is [email protected] > chas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jason

Hi, Listers, This is not the usual, or appropriate type of message for this list, but since I am not making any money on it, here it is. The "Family Stories from Madison County" you have read on my web site have been published in book form and the book is being offered for sale by Madison County Historical Society as a fund raiser. If you are interested in buying a copy, please contact me OFF List and I will send you a copy of the advertising flyer with all details. Or you can contact the Society directly.Their email is [email protected] chas

This thread has been so interesting to me. Family legend about the Warren Jay Smith house/farm in Sheds tells that the house (I'm guessing it was built around 1850 or so) was owned by executives of a tobacco company and used as a retreat. It never made sense to me that tobacco executives would be interested in a place in upstate New York, but now I understand the appeal. Thanks so much. Debbie Smith Zorach

as a teen- I worked on some of the tobacco farms in Connecticut- they came to Fl. to sucker some of us into this job- no bother to me- I only had a summer of baby sitting my siblings to look forward to- rather go off to earn real money- they had dorms right on a lake,I liked it- Camp Manitouk - not sure of my spelling on that- they took us shopping every Friday to a different place - they had tours we could sign up for - and the Brinks truck that brought our pay was kinda cool- dummy me went 4 years in a row- loved it- Peggy

Dorothea, Are you saving this last email about cigars when you were young? If not, you should, plus all your other memories. Your descendants will treasure this information someday. it was an interesting story. Chas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothea Sanderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] CIGAR FACTORY > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynn Eivers > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:11 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NYMADISO] CIGAR FACTORY > > When I was a young girl, there were miles and miles of tobacco growers > in Connecticut around Hartford, and many of us kids even worked on > them during the harvesting season for extra cash. Most of them are > gone now and have been turned into miles and miles of bedroom > communities. They grew both shade tobacco and non shade grown. I > remember being told that the northern tobacco was usually used for > wrapping. Whether true or not, I don't know!! > > Very early some of the cigars were hand rolled and each man had his > own tools much as a sculptor has his own tools, and they carried > them wherever they went. It was close to an art form. They were > also very expensive and highly prized. I never knew my grandfather, > but he had his own tools which have not survived after his death in > 1917. I surely wish they had. However, almost every male member of > the family would smoke a cigar on occasion. Most, however, smoked > pipes, but an occasional cigar was a treat. My late husband also > smoked a cigar on occasion. Most women hated the smell of > them...actually either a pipe or a cigar. My Husband told the story > that his grandfather had to go out in the hall to smoke, whatever he > smoked. (They lived in a three family tenement.). My mother was more > lenient. Maybe because her father smoked both, and she adored him. > My father smoked both too, but during the depression there was not > much money around. He smoked Granger tobacco and had paper to roll > his own cigarettes, but if someone gave him a cigar, it was a treat. > > As far as taxes are concerned, it was also a different era. Many > states like Connecticut had a Poll tax. I think I paid it once when I > was 21 or 18. People hated the Poll tax. When I had to pay it, it > meant I was all grown up. It was as I recalled declared > unconstitutional and repealed in the early forties. You had to be > really well heeled to make enough to pay income tax before WW2. My > parents never did. It certainly wasn't as common as it is today to > have enough money as income to have to pay taxes, but senators didn't > get paid what they get paid today either. This is probably why so > many politicians were so well heeled in those days. I don't think we > have many poor people in Congress today either. > > Dorothea > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 4/6/2008 > 11:12 AM > >

Charles, I have very little information on my grandfather other than what I have been able to find out in the last year. I'm not even sure yet in what city in New York my father was born. Early 1900's was very difficult for German people. My grandfather died in 1917 and escaped some of it, but my father wasn't so lucky. Anti German sentiments were very high during the first world war, and the second as well. My daughter even had a neighbor child who wasn't able to play with her because her mother was half German, and she was born in 1967. If it hadn't been for my mother, I wouldn't have known how bad it was in the early 1900's. I too had kids in school in the thirties who wouldn't play with me because I was half German. Of course, the other half was Irish, and that wasn't much better. Reading some of the old newspapers is an education. I mentioned that all his old cigar making tools were destroyed, but other things that they were advised to destroy were lost. My Grandfathers German Military discharge papers, their marriage license, Birth records. All destroyed. The only thing they didn't destroy was his citizenship paper, and they were told to hang on to that just in case. In case what, I don't know. Pre WW1 was no picnic for those of German descent, and WW2 was no better. My father's sister who died before I was born wouldn't even admit that she was born in Germany. What I have done though, is write an essay about the German side of my family (I need to do another for the Irish side!). I did it originally for my cousin who's last a memory of his mother was the hearse driving down their driveway with his mother's body in the back. He was six and his brother was 3. It now has to be revised and expanded with the records I have been able to get from Germany in this past year. I have been hoping to get a reply from the Oneida Vital Records office before doing a revision. Dorothea -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Page